Archbishop calls on RTÉ to remove 'blasphemous' clip

joseywhales

uptherebels wrote: »

Please set out how we owe them trillions.

A few examples:

1.) Catholic monks preserved original classical texts during the dark ages in remote monasteries in ireland and elsewhere. Without this would we have had a rennaisance, would we have had shakespierre, would we understand human nature, psychology etc? Certainly our knowledge of history would be diminished. That is worth more than a country.

2.) During the period of religious persecution and penal laws in ireland. The catholic church was the only means for most Irish people to become literate. They also provided an environment for Irish people to have a forum to form their identity opposing the oppression of the british crown. If this didn't happen the state of ireland would not exist today.

3.) During 1798 rebellion, war of independence etc. Catholic clergy directly provided assistance to freedom fighters, this contributing to the foundation of the state.

4.) Post partition, when the newly formed state was in tatters, a delicate third world country. The state relied on the catholic church to perform functions in education and healthcare, that it could not otherwise have covered. This continued for decades. The church was I'll equipped and lacking the training and personnel to provide a good educational environment but they did it because they were the only ones willing to do it that we could afford. The many thousands of nuns christian brothers and priests who managed these services and lived very simple lives without much compensation, without children to support, should not be forgotten because of the tragedies that occured. Those decades of servitude with inflation could be valued in trillions.


I don't even believe in god, let alone am I associated with the church but I do have the sense to see that it is much easier to criticize than it is to roll up your sleeves and dedicate your life to helping a third world population pull itself out of suffering. And I have the sense to understand that a lot of these men lack the education themselves and we're I'll equipped to do the work they were assigned. I believe that overall we are far better off for the contribution of the catholic church in ireland. It's hard to put a monetary value on it, really it was a priceless contribution, the state may not even exist without them.

astrofool

ffarrell7 wrote: »

This was not homophobic rhetoric and I Am Not homophobic at all.

I don't watch RTE as I find it anti-clerical and actively pro-gay which I am not. That this not mean I am homophobic. I work with many gay people but do not approve of gay relations, end of.

Sorry, but that is homophobic.

Hopefully RTE will follow up with more jokes about Catholicism. All religions should be able to make fun of themselves, and you can bet the "immaculate conception" story would be different if it was being written today.

Acosta

ffarrell7 wrote: »

This was not homophobic rhetoric and I Am Not homophobic at all.

Aengus Mac Grianna has belittled himself and his family be engaging in such egregious remarks about Jesus Christ and God who many billions of people across the planet trust and believe in some form or another.... Maybe not as Christians but other forms of religion who I imagine would not approve of such a skit.

I went to UCD with Aengus Mac Grianna and am surprised and appalled he would steep so low.

I don't watch RTE as I find it anti-clerical and actively pro-gay which I am not. That this not mean I am homophobic. I work with many gay people but do not approve of gay relations, end of.

Hmmmmmm

breezy1985

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

So because the Church didn't distinguish itself dealing with paedophile priests, its congregation must ensure having their beliefs belittled and ridiculed for ever, while other faiths get a free ride.

All beliefs should be open to ridicule. Or none.

And a state broadcast on New Year's eve when citizens had very little choice, after the year they had, was not the time to be "edgy"

If your church to gets out of irish politics and education and it will be left alone like the others are

Smee_Again

ffarrell7 wrote: »

This was not homophobic rhetoric and I Am Not homophobic at all.

Aengus Mac Grianna has belittled himself and his family be engaging in such egregious remarks about Jesus Christ and God who many billions of people across the planet trust and believe in some form or another.... Maybe not as Christians but other forms of religion who I imagine would not approve of such a skit.

I went to UCD with Aengus Mac Grianna and am surprised and appalled he would steep so low.

I don't watch RTE as I find it anti-clerical and actively pro-gay which I am not. That this not mean I am homophobic. I work with many gay people but do not approve of gay relations, end of.

What has Aengus’ sexuality got to do with it?

You may not be a homophobe but you do seem strangely obsessed with gay people, you keep mentioning them.

breezy1985

breezy1985 wrote: »

If your church to gets out of irish politics and education and it will be left alone like the others are

Not my church, and woosh otherwise.

Sins of the father stuff being argued to legitimise this sh1te.

I always find the edge lord 2021 anti-catholicism hilarious. I was born mid seventies, my father was public atheist, but even he would say that the Catholic Church had little control in the 1980s. It was different when he was young. So he hated them.

The real threat to free speech, the real control of education and the real indoctrination is now the cultural or woke left. The 80 and 90s were bastions of freedom compared to today.

That said Catholicism should be as criticisable as any other religions, just not more so.

breezy1985

breezy1985 wrote: »

If your church to gets out of irish politics and education and it will be left alone like the others are

The church rarely says a word these days about anything. This is rare. But welcome to democracy. Religious leaders will get into political debates.

As for the supposed Catholic control of the education system, it's old hat. However if we were to nationalise all the catholic schools, we would have to do that same with the Anglican schools, which would be fairly detrimental to that culture.

Mad_maxx

Harry Palmr wrote: »

This observation is the one that always misses the point - in a majority faith country you attack that faith and not the minority faiths.

If you were to consider the violence, deceit and cruelty inflicted upon the Irish in our lifetimes which religion would you name first?

(the actual quality of the sketch is irrelevant)

" in a majority faith country , you attack that faith and not the minority faiths "

thats certainly a golden rule of thumb for progressives , doesnt mean the rest of us believe it has any merit whatsoever

no sacred cows !

Alfred123

Hello everyone,
This is GOD and i thought i'd chime in here

I can take a joke (thick skin) but this N Y Countdown joke wasn't even funny. It just reflects the pig ignorance of your national TV station posing as Entertainers.
Stop paying them outrageous sums for ****ting all over ye. (Sheep, indeed)

And ... that Aengus Mac Thingy fellow shd be watchin his back. Right now. As should the rest of those talentless, over-paid twats in RTE. I'll be doin some weedin' there throughout 2021

Their sin lies in being talentless, not in offending Me.
Your Sin lies in paying for the rubbish they dish out on Radio and TV daily

As for the rest of you on this site - givin me the middle finger - (you know who you are), just don't come runnin to me when the **** hits the fan (as it does)

Respect each other. Be kind. A few bad apples do not an orchard make

Mad_maxx

conorhal wrote: »

But a bell goes bong for sixty seconds at 6pm on the telly, insulting nobody, and it's like REEEEEEEEEEE!!! GET THAT OFF THE TV!!!
Bunch of smuckling hypocrites.


Also, there's nothing 'anti-establishment' about fedora tipping atheism, which is the establishment and yet somhow still persists in 'fighting the man'.

one of the cutest things about progressives is how they love to view themselves as revolutionaries , fighting the good fight against the likes of the catholic church every day , the truth is they are the establishment

MikeOxsgreen

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

So because the Church didn't distinguish itself dealing with paedophile priests, its congregation must ensure having their beliefs belittled and ridiculed for ever, while other faiths get a free ride.

All beliefs should be open to ridicule. Or none.

And a state broadcast on New Year's eve when citizens had very little choice, after the year they had, was not the time to be "edgy"

I wholeheartedly agree. And all the congregations and their frocked representatives in their dealings with sin, communion and other rituals that make absolutely no sense should all be ridiculed.

Everyone has a choice. Turn it off, change the channel or just get over yourselves.

breezy1985

breezy1985 wrote: »

Actually if you look at the history of the Irish state you will find the only group who have ever acted with violence against those with different beliefs in any noteworthy way we're the Christians.

Or have I been misinformed about the treatment of unmarried mothers and gays

Given that the history of Ireland was 100% Christian who else would be doing that? These arguments are stupid. Its not like even atheist states were great for homosexuality, Stalin banned homosexuality from 1933 and unlike Ireland, that meant something. Islamic states of course killed people and some still do.

Many catholic countries haven't had bans on homosexuality for centuries. France, not since the 18th C. Protestantism was worse. The UK was the worst in Europe. Thousands were chemically castrated in the law that caused Turing to kill himself. He would have beens safe here, I don't see any such activity in Ireland.

Mad_maxx

Deleted User wrote: »

I always find the edge lord anti-catholicism hilarious. I was born mid seventies, my father was public atheist, but even he would say that the Catholic Church had little control in the 1980s. It was different when he was young. So he hated them.

The real threat to free speech, the real control of education and the real indoctrination is now the cultural or woke left. The 80 and 90s were bastions of freedom compared to today.

That said Catholicism should be as criticisable as any other religions, just not more so.

extremely well put may i say

conorhal

conorhal wrote: »

But a bell goes bong for sixty seconds at 6pm on the telly, insulting nobody, and it's like REEEEEEEEEEE!!! GET THAT OFF THE TV!!!
Bunch of smuckling hypocrites.


Also, there's nothing 'anti-establishment' about fedora tipping atheism, which is the establishment and yet somhow still persists in 'fighting the man'.

I care not a bit for 'fighting the man'. I care that people still believe this rubbish. It's not fedora tipping atheism. It's all about absolute disbelief that people are still so easily convinced that there's any sense in having blind faith is total nonsense. And then get upset when people enjoy the ridiculous aspects being mocked. I think it's a great sign of the times that RTE will even dare to air such things, as it's not that long ago at all that the priests and their faithful congregations dominated the lives of those who saw through the absolutely claptrap of religious beliefs. More of the same please, everywhere!

Mad_maxx

Deleted User wrote: »

Given that the history of Ireland was 100% Christian who else would be doing that? These arguments are stupid. Its not like even atheist states were great for homosexuality, Stalin banned homosexuality from 1933 and unlike Ireland, that meant something. Islamic states of course killed people and some still do.

Many catholic countries haven't had bans on homosexuality for centuries. France, not since the 18th C. Protestantism was worse. The UK was the worst in Europe. Thousands were chemically castrated in the law that caused Turing to kill himself. He would have beens safe here, I don't see any such activity in Ireland.

indeed

acceptance of homosexuality is a relatively recent thing regardless of the dominant faith - ethos in a given country , Cuba was never great for gay people , i dont know what China is or was like ? but the soviet union was still pretty traditional in terms of sexuality and not really ahead of the West in that regard

breezy1985

joseywhales wrote: »

A few examples:

1.) Catholic monks preserved original classical texts during the dark ages in remote monasteries in ireland and elsewhere. Without this would we have had a rennaisance, would we have had shakespierre, would we understand human nature, psychology etc? Certainly our knowledge of history would be diminished. That is worth more than a country.

2.) During the period of religious persecution and penal laws in ireland. The catholic church was the only means for most Irish people to become literate. They also provided an environment for Irish people to have a forum to form their identity opposing the oppression of the british crown. If this didn't happen the state of ireland would not exist today.

3.) During 1798 rebellion, war of independence etc. Catholic clergy directly provided assistance to freedom fighters, this contributing to the foundation of the state.

4.) Post partition, when the newly formed state was in tatters, a delicate third world country. The state relied on the catholic church to perform functions in education and healthcare, that it could not otherwise have covered. This continued for decades. The church was I'll equipped and lacking the training and personnel to provide a good educational environment but they did it because they were the only ones willing to do it that we could afford. The many thousands of nuns christian brothers and priests who managed these services and lived very simple lives without much compensation, without children to support, should not be forgotten because of the tragedies that occured. Those decades of servitude with inflation could be valued in trillions.


I don't even believe in god, let alone am I associated with the church but I do have the sense to see that it is much easier to criticize than it is to roll up your sleeves and dedicate your life to helping a third world population pull itself out of suffering. And I have the sense to understand that a lot of these men lack the education themselves and we're I'll equipped to do the work they were assigned. I believe that overall we are far better off for the contribution of the catholic church in ireland. It's hard to put a monetary value on it, really it was a priceless contribution, the state may not even exist without them.

1. Saving those books was a good thing but to think Irish monks were essential to the renaissance and Shakespeare is a joke

2. I'm not sure about but I've never heard of any literacy programs run by the church in those times. Usually it was the opposite and the church took issue with lay people reading

3. Some priests supported rebellions and some openly spoke against it especially when it was lead by socialists or women

4. Nonsense that the church were in education and health as a charity for the good of the people it was about power. The nice benign church showed their true colours in education when others also tried to step in and help most famously James Gralton or in health with the mother and child scandal

breezy1985

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Given that the history of Ireland was 100% Christian who else would be doing that? .

That is my whole point.
This is the reason we have loads of jokes about catholics and none about hindus and muslims. It's not some big conspiracy it's just only one religion is relevant in this country

joseywhales

No good deed goes unpunished.

Alfred123

joseywhales wrote: »

A few examples:

1.) Catholic monks preserved original classical texts during the dark ages in remote monasteries in ireland and elsewhere

2.) During the period of religious persecution and penal laws in ireland. The catholic church was the only means for most Irish people to become literate ..

3.) During 1798 rebellion, war of independence etc. Catholic clergy directly provided assistance to freedom fighters, this contributing to the foundation of the state.

4.) Post partition, when the newly formed state was in tatters, a delicate third world country. The state relied on the catholic church to perform functions in education and healthcare, that it could not otherwise have covered ...


I don't even believe in god, let alone am I associated with the church but I do have the sense to see that it is much easier to criticize than it is to roll up your sleeves and dedicate your life to helping a third world population pull itself out of suffering. And I have the sense to understand that a lot of these men lack the education themselves and we're I'll equipped to do the work they were assigned. I believe that overall we are far better off for the contribution of the catholic church in ireland. It's hard to put a monetary value on it, really it was a priceless contribution, the state may not even exist without them.

= at last, some common sense. We evolved just as we do physically. Certainly, there are dark periods in the history of Catholicism in Ireland but it is madness to forget / scorn all the selfless, hard work of the men and women who devoted their lives to others in service within the church

All they had was their Faith

Something i guess for future generations of Irish people to ridicule and make fun of. Tragic stuff indeed looking for the "right" to belittle them

You are laughing at yourselves

Movementarian

Love the way that being offended these days gives people a sense that they are entitled to some sort of recompense.

Also, does anyone else find it highly ironic that the Christian/Catholic religion preaches forgiveness and turning the other cheek as almost its highest principle?

But when it comes to stuff like this and other people living their lives the way they want, burn them all!!!!

Get on with living your lives the way you want and leave others to do the same. And don't be a bollox. Simple as.

Movementarian

Alfred123 wrote: »

= at last, some common sense. We evolved just as we do physically. Certainly, there are dark periods in the history of Catholicism in Ireland but it is madness to forget / scorn all the selfless, hard work of the men and women who devoted their lives to others in service within the church

All they had was their Faith

Something i guess for future generations of Irish people to ridicule and make fun of. Tragic stuff indeed looking for the "right" to belittle them

You are laughing at yourselves

Hang on a second, 'some dark periods'....some dark periods?! You throw that in like its just some throw away thing and wasn't mass child rape, the destruction of peoples lives and the loss and death of children, women and men over years and years because of some barbaric doctrine.
On the absolute contrary, it is very very easy for me to forget any good in the light of one of those scandals let alone the multitude of these crimes against humanity.

omegaodie

A lot of complaining about the Catholic Church, or its malign influence, but how about me, Im not a priest or headbanger and hearing this kind of crap hurts my feelings, quite a bit, it's a **** you it's hate and it hurts to be hated and maybe I should just get over it and stop being a wee little pussy, but ffs remember when you're having a go there's people you never met that don't mean you no harm whose day you're en****tening.

omegaodie

omegaodie wrote: »

A lot of complaining about the Catholic Church, or its malign influence, but how about me, Im not a priest or headbanger and hearing this kind of crap hurts my feelings, quite a bit, it's a **** you it's hate and it hurts to be hated and maybe I should just get over it and stop being a wee little pussy, but ffs remember when you're having a go there's people you never met that don't mean you no harm whose day you're en****tening.

"I want to censor everything which offends me, have everybody else yield to my belief system which obviously is superior to all others and therefore must be regarded as the only correct one".

Fast Twitch

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

What a load of tosh - who are you to say something is abnormal?
You are just making homophobic comments - you catholic curtain twitchers need to mind your own business - what consenting adults do is their business not yours.

You obviously don’t have a problem with the gay priests and paedophiles? You are worried about Pride march but religious sexually interfering with children is ok?

This thread is about a clip on tv - it wasn’t overtly funny but why do we have to give space to these old men who hid years of physical and sexual abuse of minors to moan about something on tv that they don’t agree with?

Just turn over

Anyone who uses the word 'tosh' wants a wedgie.

joseywhales

Deleted User wrote: »

"I want to censor everything which offends me, have everybody else yield to my belief system which obviously is superior to all others and therefore must be regarded as the only correct one".

Where is this quote from?

Fast Twitch

Smee_Again wrote: »

It’s a great point. There’s always a risk of being offended when watching TV, if one isn’t ready or prepared to be offended one shouldn’t watch TV.

You're a serious lightweight posing as some sort of guru of knowledge. Go play with your Lego.

buckwheat

One from Ricky Gervais which sums up what I think about it. Apologies if already posted

Please stop saying "You can't joke about anything anymore". You can. You can joke about whatever the **** you like. And some people won't like it and they will tell you they don't like it. And then it's up to you whether you give a **** or not. And so on. It's a good system.

Smee_Again

Fast Twitch wrote: »

You're a serious lightweight posing as some sort of guru of knowledge. Go play with your Lego.

Maybe we should just ban being offended.

Much easier to do that.

Alfred123

Movementarian wrote: »

Hang on a second, 'some dark periods'....some dark periods?! You throw that in like its just some throw away thing and wasn't mass child rape, the destruction of peoples lives and the loss and death of children, women and men over years and years because of some barbaric doctrine.
On the absolute contrary, it is very very easy for me to forget any good in the light of one of those scandals let alone the multitude of these crimes against humanity.

Stop gettinn your knickers in a twist, willya !

Catholicism has been in Ireland since the 5th century. We did not have 15 centuries of child rape, if thats what youre implying

Do a lil bit of research before you swing that pen

If youre Irish and are so grievously unhappy with what your forbears have given you, might be worth havin an oul chat with the therapist. They do help

They didnt have wi-fi and puters, radios, tv back when. They built with their bare hands. Their engine was their Faith. You make it sound like 15 centuries of Christians were out molesting kids. Get a grip