Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

flazio · 08-01-2021 4:23pm

Max's first Monaco was great craic. Vettel was leading and came up to lap Max, once Seb did so Max just followed him as he lapped 3 other cars ahead, tried it on Grosjean and ended up in the barrier.

El_Duderino 09 · 11-01-2021 10:17am

The idea of teams buying lots of parts from each other doesn’t sit well with me in general. It seems like it’s cementing a two tier grid.

But given that it’s the reality, I’m happy to see Williams buy the Mercedes gearbox. It shows the notions Williams had about themselves to think they could seriously design a better gearbox for the Mercedes engine than Mercedes could. They seem to be accepting the reality of their reduced status

recyclebin · 11-01-2021 11:33am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The idea of teams buying lots of parts from each other doesn’t sit well with me in general. It seems like it’s cementing a two tier grid.

But given that it’s the reality, I’m happy to see Williams buy the Mercedes gearbox. It shows the notions Williams had about themselves to think they could seriously design a better gearbox for the Mercedes engine than Mercedes could. They seem to be accepti6ng the reality of their reduced status

I also don't like the fact that the 'b teams' could end up using last year's parts. I think if you are supplying a part to multiple teams then the option should be there to buy the latest parts. The team that makes the parts has a huge advantage of the knowledge and design of the parts as is and they could have made huge improvements over the course of a year.

On the flip side some of the 'b teams' are getting upgrades for 2021 without using tokens, which also makes a mockery of the token rules.

This is it · 11-01-2021 11:43am

recyclebin wrote: »

I also don't like the fact that the 'b teams' could end up using last year's parts. I think if you are supplying a part to multiple teams then the option should be there to buy the latest parts. The team that makes the parts has a huge advantage of the knowledge and design of the parts as is and they could have made huge improvements over the course of a year.

On the flip side some of the 'b teams' are getting upgrades for 2021 without using tokens, which also makes a mockery of the token rules.

I thought that was stipulated, that you have to offer up to date parts

El_Duderino 09 · 11-01-2021 11:48am

recyclebin wrote: »

I also don't like the fact that the 'b teams' could end up using last year's parts. I think if you are supplying a part to multiple teams then the option should be there to buy the latest parts. The team that makes the parts has a huge advantage of the knowledge and design of the parts as is and they could have made huge improvements over the course of a year.

On the flip side some of the 'b teams' are getting upgrades for 2021 without using tokens, which also makes a mockery of the token rules.

Yeah the token system is not doing itself any favours. Some teams spending most of its tokens on integrating a new engine is silly. And customer teams upgrades coming up with the rations isn’t sensible either.

B-teams getting extra tokens is good as it generally helps b-teams to catch up. But I don’t think we really want b-teams to begin with.

El_Duderino 09 · 11-01-2021 11:49am

This is it wrote: »

I thought that was stipulated, that you have to offer up to date parts

You’re right for the engine (and presumably the gearbox, as they’re a package). Not sure about other parts.

AMKC · 11-01-2021 1:26pm

:mad:

recyclebin wrote: »

I also don't like the fact that the 'b teams' could end up using last year's parts. I think if you are supplying a part to multiple teams then the option should be there to buy the latest parts. The team that makes the parts has a huge advantage of the knowledge and design of the parts as is and they could have made huge improvements over the course of a year.

On the flip side some of the 'b teams' are getting upgrades for 2021 without using tokens, which also makes a mockery of the token rules.

Imagine last year had been like that with teams using last years parts and Alfa would have had the 2019 Ferrari engine with Ferrari having there 2020 engine. That would have been very interesting and maybe even bad as Alfa would have been potentially fighting at the front with Mercedes. Can you just imagine that? That really would have spiced the season up Kimi and Giovinnazi fighting at the front.

SureYWouldntYa · 11-01-2021 1:31pm

ELM327 wrote: »

F1 2020 gameplay

It's a very fun track to knock out a lap on, and chasing someone through the whole first sector esp after the carousel corner is mighty, but it's so narrow and overtaking opportunities are limited, it will be a processional race where maybe you gain via under/overcut but other than that it would be very limited

duploelabs · 11-01-2021 2:41pm

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

It's a very fun track to knock out a lap on, and chasing someone through the whole first sector esp after the carousel corner is mighty, but it's so narrow and overtaking opportunities are limited, it will be a processional race where maybe you gain via under/overcut but other than that it would be very limited

And a computer game like f12021, the AI (which is particularly bad in that game compared to other driver sims) can only predict so much and not what a living and breathing driver would do

AMKC · 11-01-2021 3:50pm

Just seen the Cyril Abbitbol has left Renault. Not sure if I should be happy or sad. I wonder who will replace him?

quokula · 11-01-2021 3:51pm

Cyril Abiteboul has left Renault. Might be a good thing for the team because they've consistently underachieved during his tenure. Under new leadership and new branding, and with Alonso on board, it might give them a bit of impetus to start pushing further up the grid. In reality there is no chance of that immediately, with the locked down rules and tokens ensuring nothing can change in the pecking order next year, but hopefully when the new rules do eventually come in it's a chance to catch up.

This is it · 11-01-2021 3:52pm

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/cyril-abiteboul-leaves-renault-alpine/4961628/

Yeah just read about it. Plans were for him to move but he's left completely now apparently

tupenny · 11-01-2021 3:54pm

Joe devastated that she kept the baba
Washyaha

This is it · 11-01-2021 4:05pm

tupenny wrote: »

Joe devastated that she kept the baba
Washyaha

#calljoe

racersedge · 11-01-2021 4:41pm

AMKC wrote: »

Just seen the Cyril Abbitbol has left Renault. Not sure if I should be happy or sad. I wonder who will replace him?

He’s due to be replaced by the guy who has ran the Suzuki MotoGP operation. Was reading articles around it at Renault/Alpine had made the move for him (at which time, any articles I read around it didn’t mention about what was to happen to Cyril, so one assumed he was due to move upstairs before he has obviously now decided to move aside.

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/suzuki-brivio-departure-alpine-f1/4939136/

AMKC · 11-01-2021 4:59pm

Well he could go to William's. I am sure they would not mind having him.

Frank Bullitt · 11-01-2021 5:11pm

racersedge wrote: »

He’s due to be replaced by the guy who has ran the Suzuki MotoGP operation. Was reading articles around it at Renault/Alpine had made the move for him (at which time, any articles I read around it didn’t mention about what was to happen to Cyril, so one assumed he was due to move upstairs before he has obviously now decided to move aside.

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/suzuki-brivio-departure-alpine-f1/4939136/

Isn't Cyril moving to a different position within the Renault corporation?

*Edit I believe he is going to run the car division of Aipine

Top Dog · 11-01-2021 5:14pm

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

Isn't Cyril moving to a different position within the Renault corporation?

Looks like that was the original plan, but now he's leaving entirely

Top Dog · 11-01-2021 5:17pm

He was set to be the team principal of Alpine as Renault introduced their high-performance division to the world of Formula 1, but Renault have now confirmed Abiteboul’s immediate departure with Rossi, Director of Strategy and Business Development of Groupe Renault, appointed to lead the Alpine brand and “take charge of Alpine Cars, Sport, F1 and competition activities”.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/cyril-abiteboul-leaves-renault/

AMKC · 11-01-2021 5:41pm

https://www.facebook.com/568665409957112/posts/1995773443912961/?sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=e

flazio · 11-01-2021 5:42pm

Alonso starting to flex his political muscles I wonder?

skipper_G · 11-01-2021 5:54pm

Top Dog wrote: »

Looks like that was the original plan, but now he's leaving entirely

Carlos Tavares is in charge at Fiat/Peugeot and now that merger is going ahead. When Tavares was at Renault, Cyril was a protégé of his. I could see Cyril moving into a senior role there

murphyebass · 11-01-2021 7:54pm

https://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2021/january/mclaren-racing-gen3?utm_source=FormulaEYouTube&utm_mediumSocialPost&utm_campaign=News&utm_term=Championship&utm_content=Racing

McLaren to join Formula E.

El_Duderino 09 · 11-01-2021 9:21pm

murphyebass wrote: »

https://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2021/january/mclaren-racing-gen3?utm_source=FormulaEYouTube&utm_mediumSocialPost&utm_campaign=News&utm_term=Championship&utm_content=Racing

McLaren to join Formula E.

That’s great for McLaren, not brilliant news for f1

Charlie-Bravo · 11-01-2021 9:41pm

I think Mercedes will have ruined the enjoyment of the sport in Forumla e by then :pac:. McLaren arriving late to the party and having to spend quite a few years getting up to speed.

skipper_G · 12-01-2021 12:36am

murphyebass wrote: »

https://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2021/january/mclaren-racing-gen3?utm_source=FormulaEYouTube&utm_mediumSocialPost&utm_campaign=News&utm_term=Championship&utm_content=Racing

McLaren to join Formula E.

It's not a confirmed entry, they just agreed an option to join for 22/23