Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

El_Duderino 09 · 06-01-2021 09:55AM

Jordan 199 wrote: »

F1 races to start on the hour this year.

Why we’re they ever changed? I thought 10 past the hour just added a small confusion that wasn’t needed. Was it for tv or something commercial like that?

Jordan 199 · 06-01-2021 09:59AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Why we’re they ever changed? I thought 10 past the hour just added a small confusion that wasn’t needed. Was it for tv or something commercial like that?

It was done for television.

Jordan 199 · 06-01-2021 10:00AM

This is it wrote: »

I read before that it was for TV with some stations only starting to broadcast on the hour so it gave them 10 minutes until the race started. Hard to believe a broadcast couldn't start earlier so I'm not sure how true it is...

It's mentioned on Autosport.

El_Duderino 09 · 06-01-2021 10:06AM

I suppose it makes sense from that perspective. I often listened on BBC radio and they start the show on the hour with a 10 minute build up. They get to end he previous show on the hour so I suppose it makes sense for broadcasters.

AMKC · 06-01-2021 12:17PM

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

Here are the pictures of theMcLaren Senna I saw in Van last year. You see some crazy cars over here in the warmer months.

Would not be out place as Batmans or Night Riders car.

recyclebin · 06-01-2021 01:59PM

Mercedes and Williams have announced increased collaboration for 2022 onwards. Mercedes will now supply gearboxes and some other hits and pieces.

With the budget caps we are going to see a lot of this kind of thing in the years to come. It will allow teams to put resources elsewhere.

Mercedes, Aston Martin and Williams will share a lot resources. McLaren to a lesser extent.

Ferrari and Haas seem to be getting even closer. Sauber still independent up to a point.

Two Red Bulls teams will converge closer like they were in the past.

Renault could be left out in the cold. Which might make it easier for them to bend the rules or come up with ideas outside the box.

mickdw · 06-01-2021 04:36PM

recyclebin wrote: »

Mercedes and Williams have announced increased collaboration for 2022 onwards. Mercedes will now supply gearboxes and some other hits and pieces.

With the budget caps we are going to see a lot of this kind of thing in the years to come. It will allow teams to put resources elsewhere.

Mercedes, Aston Martin and Williams will share a lot resources. McLaren to a lesser extent.

Ferrari and Haas seem to be getting even closer. Sauber still independent up to a point.

Two Red Bulls teams will converge closer like they were in the past.

Renault could be left out in the cold. Which might make it easier for them to bend the rules or come up with ideas outside the box.

I view that as a plus for McLaren. the more you rely on a major partner, the greater chance you will never win anything. If we consider mercedes may pull out a few years down the line and become Engine supplier only, mclaren will be in a strong position developing everything par engine themselves whereas williams and Aston Martin will be lost.

Frank Bullitt · 07-01-2021 04:52PM

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1347208970184884226

Frank Bullitt · 07-01-2021 04:54PM

https://twitter.com/wbuxtonofficial/status/1347184686578196482

Looks like the pink is almost all gone.

elperello · 07-01-2021 06:45PM

The two lads look like nasty pieces of work in mug shots.

Jordan 199 · 08-01-2021 03:17AM

Can I ask you for your thoughts on how many races you would ideally like to see on the F1 calendar? 18 - 20 races for me.

flazio · 08-01-2021 05:31AM

20 races.
With a calendar decided by putting the names of all interested tracks into a bowl 2 years before a season is due and pulling 20 names out.
Once you have your 20 then F1 management can organise the order they are raced. I know someone would say they should be raced in the order they come out but if one of middle east tracks is drawn in summer then the heat could kill drivers so safety and logistics need to be examined before setting an order for the 20.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-01-2021 08:50AM

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Can I ask you for your thoughts on how many races you would ideally like to see on the F1 calendar? 18 - 20 races for me.

I’d prefer fewer events and drop the ones that give crap races. Melbourne is a massive anti-climax every year. France can go. Monaco is a snooze-fest. Get rid of those three and have 3 fewer races and it would be improved.

I don’t have an ideal set number of races, but I’d support quality over quantity. I also have no problem with double races , but it wouldn’t be commercially workable.

My main criteria is tracks that tend to produce good races. The main issue is that tracks are chosen for lots of reasons and “tend to produce good races” is wasaaayyyyy down the list.

recyclebin · 08-01-2021 09:42AM

20 per year, with at 10 to 15 of those to be guaranteed every year based on heritage or location. The rest could be every second year.

These would be guaranteed at least 1 race:
Silverstone
Spa
Monaco
Sao Paolo
Suzuka
Montreal
Middle East
Australia
America
China
Russia
Germany
Italy

08-01-2021 01:01PM

Australia is fine as a season opener when reliability is an issue. The last almost decade it's been pretty ****e though.

ELM327 · 08-01-2021 02:31PM

Australia is boring, as is sochi, most of the middle eastern tracks, COTA, paul ricard etc

If I were designing the series calendar I'd be keeping Monaco, Silverstone, monza, baku, montreal, Zaandvoort, spa from the current lineup.
Would add in/back Imola and portimao from the new races this year, along with one of the bahrain tracks.
If more were needed then I'd add in China, Brazil - interlagos,

Then I'd want to add other interesting tracks (including one that doesnt exist any more, hockenheim 2000 layout) to make up about 18-20 races per season. And have Brazil as the season ender.

duploelabs · 08-01-2021 02:40PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Australia is boring, as is sochi, most of the middle eastern tracks, COTA, paul ricard etc

If I were designing the series calendar I'd be keeping Monaco, Silverstone, monza, baku, montreal, Zaandvoort, spa from the current lineup.
Would add in/back Imola and portimao from the new races this year, along with one of the bahrain tracks.
If more were needed then I'd add in China, Brazil - interlagos,

Then I'd want to add other interesting tracks (including one that doesnt exist any more, hockenheim 2000 layout) to make up about 18-20 races per season. And have Brazil as the season ender.

Hasn't been raced in the modern era by F1 so how do you know it'll be entertaining?

El_Duderino 09 · 08-01-2021 03:00PM

This is it wrote: »

I don't know the statistics but I find Monaco awful, get ahead on the first corner and you're likely to win.

The street tracks are visually great because the camera can get so close to the cars, but a terrible spectacle apart from that. Total joke of an f1 track.

They spend so long talking about the glamour and the parties and the yachts parked in the marina. Anything to distract from the total lack of action in the race. Having traditions and heritage is great, but Monaco is an example of being bound by tradition. It’s an obligation

ELM327 · 08-01-2021 03:09PM

duploelabs wrote: »

Hasn't been raced in the modern era by F1 so how do you know it'll be entertaining?

F1 2020 gameplay

This is it wrote: »

I don't know the statistics but I find Monaco awful, get ahead on the first corner and you're likely to win.

Yes, monaco is 99% about the saturday. But it's an obligation, and I wouldnt be excluding it.

08-01-2021 03:13PM

I still maintain I'd love to see an oval race. Cars aren't designed with weight-jackers, mixed fuel strategies, high drag making fuel saving harder. Be great craic :P
Pretty much impossible while re-fueling is banned though.

afatbollix · 08-01-2021 03:15PM

I enjoy the yachts and partys and the storys.

Where else would Kimi crash and then be seen topless with a beer in hand on a boat.

flazio · 08-01-2021 03:23PM

Max's first Monaco was great craic. Vettel was leading and came up to lap Max, once Seb did so Max just followed him as he lapped 3 other cars ahead, tried it on Grosjean and ended up in the barrier.

El_Duderino 09 · 11-01-2021 09:17AM

The idea of teams buying lots of parts from each other doesn’t sit well with me in general. It seems like it’s cementing a two tier grid.

But given that it’s the reality, I’m happy to see Williams buy the Mercedes gearbox. It shows the notions Williams had about themselves to think they could seriously design a better gearbox for the Mercedes engine than Mercedes could. They seem to be accepting the reality of their reduced status

recyclebin · 11-01-2021 10:33AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The idea of teams buying lots of parts from each other doesn’t sit well with me in general. It seems like it’s cementing a two tier grid.

But given that it’s the reality, I’m happy to see Williams buy the Mercedes gearbox. It shows the notions Williams had about themselves to think they could seriously design a better gearbox for the Mercedes engine than Mercedes could. They seem to be accepti6ng the reality of their reduced status

I also don't like the fact that the 'b teams' could end up using last year's parts. I think if you are supplying a part to multiple teams then the option should be there to buy the latest parts. The team that makes the parts has a huge advantage of the knowledge and design of the parts as is and they could have made huge improvements over the course of a year.

On the flip side some of the 'b teams' are getting upgrades for 2021 without using tokens, which also makes a mockery of the token rules.

El_Duderino 09 · 11-01-2021 10:48AM

recyclebin wrote: »

I also don't like the fact that the 'b teams' could end up using last year's parts. I think if you are supplying a part to multiple teams then the option should be there to buy the latest parts. The team that makes the parts has a huge advantage of the knowledge and design of the parts as is and they could have made huge improvements over the course of a year.

On the flip side some of the 'b teams' are getting upgrades for 2021 without using tokens, which also makes a mockery of the token rules.

Yeah the token system is not doing itself any favours. Some teams spending most of its tokens on integrating a new engine is silly. And customer teams upgrades coming up with the rations isn’t sensible either.

B-teams getting extra tokens is good as it generally helps b-teams to catch up. But I don’t think we really want b-teams to begin with.

El_Duderino 09 · 11-01-2021 10:49AM

This is it wrote: »

I thought that was stipulated, that you have to offer up to date parts

You’re right for the engine (and presumably the gearbox, as they’re a package). Not sure about other parts.

AMKC · 11-01-2021 12:26PM

:mad:

recyclebin wrote: »

I also don't like the fact that the 'b teams' could end up using last year's parts. I think if you are supplying a part to multiple teams then the option should be there to buy the latest parts. The team that makes the parts has a huge advantage of the knowledge and design of the parts as is and they could have made huge improvements over the course of a year.

On the flip side some of the 'b teams' are getting upgrades for 2021 without using tokens, which also makes a mockery of the token rules.

Imagine last year had been like that with teams using last years parts and Alfa would have had the 2019 Ferrari engine with Ferrari having there 2020 engine. That would have been very interesting and maybe even bad as Alfa would have been potentially fighting at the front with Mercedes. Can you just imagine that? That really would have spiced the season up Kimi and Giovinnazi fighting at the front.

SureYWouldntYa · 11-01-2021 12:31PM

ELM327 wrote: »

F1 2020 gameplay

It's a very fun track to knock out a lap on, and chasing someone through the whole first sector esp after the carousel corner is mighty, but it's so narrow and overtaking opportunities are limited, it will be a processional race where maybe you gain via under/overcut but other than that it would be very limited

duploelabs · 11-01-2021 01:41PM

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

It's a very fun track to knock out a lap on, and chasing someone through the whole first sector esp after the carousel corner is mighty, but it's so narrow and overtaking opportunities are limited, it will be a processional race where maybe you gain via under/overcut but other than that it would be very limited

And a computer game like f12021, the AI (which is particularly bad in that game compared to other driver sims) can only predict so much and not what a living and breathing driver would do

AMKC · 11-01-2021 02:50PM

Just seen the Cyril Abbitbol has left Renault. Not sure if I should be happy or sad. I wonder who will replace him?

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