The Vaccine

harrylittle

Deleted User wrote: »

... and I'm out. Good luck folks. Please get the vaccine.

ARE THESE THE ALLEGATIONS

QUOTE "It is interesting to note that Tedros started his political career by aligning with the TPLF, a hard-left organisation that later became part of the Ethiopian People’s Revolutionary Democratic Front, a coalition of left-wing parties that ruled Ethiopia until last year (TPLF was classified as a terrorist organisation in the Global terror database). According to one Ethiopian newspaper, Tedros was listed as the third most important member of the TPLF’s politburo standing committee.

As an important TPLF member, Tedros joined the Ethiopian health ministry and rose through the ranks to become the country’s health minister in 2005. During his tenure, which lasted until 2012, he was credited for work done on reducing rates of HIV, measles and malaria.

However, it was also during this time that strong allegations emerged of the TPLF engaging in “systematic discrimination and human rights abuses” by refusing emergency healthcare to the Amhara ethnic group because of their affiliation with the opposition party. In 2010, Human Rights Watch wrote a report on how to aid in the form of food and fertiliser was withheld from local Amhara villagers.

Interviews by an observer group in 2009 with several people across three regions of Ethiopia yielded widespread suppression of political dissent by conditioning access to essential government programs on food and health. The report issued by the Human Rights Watch was scathing of how Tedros’s government used donor-supported resources and aid as a tool to consolidate power.

Given the strong ethnic fissures between the Tigray and the Ahmara ethnicities, these allegations started gaining credence further as birth rates were recorded to be significantly lower in the Amhara region compared to other regions and two million Amhara people “disappeared” from the subsequent population census.

Also, by the time Tedros left office as health minister, the Amhara region was severely underperforming in health indicators as compared to the Tigray region. The health coverage (physician to population ratio) was 5X apart in the two regions and infant mortality was vastly different."

Dohnjoe

harrylittle wrote: »

ARE THESE THE ALLEGATIONS

QUOTE "It is interesting to note that Tedros started his political career by aligning with the TPLF, a hard-left organisation that later became part of the Ethiopian People’s Revolutionary Democratic Front, a coalition of left-wing parties that ruled Ethiopia until last year (TPLF was classified as a terrorist organisation in the Global terror database). According to one Ethiopian newspaper, Tedros was listed as the third most important member of the TPLF’s politburo standing committee.

As an important TPLF member, Tedros joined the Ethiopian health ministry and rose through the ranks to become the country’s health minister in 2005. During his tenure, which lasted until 2012, he was credited for work done on reducing rates of HIV, measles and malaria.

However, it was also during this time that strong allegations emerged of the TPLF engaging in “systematic discrimination and human rights abuses” by refusing emergency healthcare to the Amhara ethnic group because of their affiliation with the opposition party. In 2010, Human Rights Watch wrote a report on how to aid in the form of food and fertiliser was withheld from local Amhara villagers.

Interviews by an observer group in 2009 with several people across three regions of Ethiopia yielded widespread suppression of political dissent by conditioning access to essential government programs on food and health. The report issued by the Human Rights Watch was scathing of how Tedros’s government used donor-supported resources and aid as a tool to consolidate power.

Given the strong ethnic fissures between the Tigray and the Ahmara ethnicities, these allegations started gaining credence further as birth rates were recorded to be significantly lower in the Amhara region compared to other regions and two million Amhara people “disappeared” from the subsequent population census.

Also, by the time Tedros left office as health minister, the Amhara region was severely underperforming in health indicators as compared to the Tigray region. The health coverage (physician to population ratio) was 5X apart in the two regions and infant mortality was vastly different."

No, he's not a terrorist. The TPLF acquired tier 3 "terrorist" status for it's activities prior to 1991, before it became a ruling party in Ethiopia. Conspiracy theorists are going mental about this guy because he has links to the Clinton foundation and Bill Gates, and he's in the WHO, which is an organisation, and is therefore "evil".

Caraibh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

No, he's not a terrorist. The TPLF acquired tier 3 "terrorist" status for it's activities prior to 1991, before it became a ruling party in Ethiopia. Conspiracy theorists are going mental about this guy because he has links to the Clinton foundation and Bill Gates, and he's in the WHO, which is an organisation, and is therefore "evil".

What about this bit:

"However, it was also during this time that strong allegations emerged of the TPLF engaging in “systematic discrimination and human rights abuses” by refusing emergency healthcare to the Amhara ethnic group because of their affiliation with the opposition party. In 2010, Human Rights Watch wrote a report on how to aid in the form of food and fertiliser was withheld from local Amhara villagers."

Didn't he also cover up three outbreaks of cholera?

Dohnjoe

Caraibh wrote: »

What about this bit:

"However, it was also during this time that strong allegations emerged of the TPLF engaging in “systematic discrimination and human rights abuses” by refusing emergency healthcare to the Amhara ethnic group because of their affiliation with the opposition party. In 2010, Human Rights Watch wrote a report on how to aid in the form of food and fertiliser was withheld from local Amhara villagers."

Didn't he also cover up three outbreaks of cholera?

It's tenuous character assassination. You can read about his history on wiki or normal sources.

Caraibh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's tenuous character assassination. You can read about his history on wiki or normal sources.

By normal sources do you mean sources that are favourable to him?

Wikipedia is completely biased.

Dohnjoe

Caraibh wrote: »

By normal sources do you mean sources that are favourable to him?

Wikipedia is completely biased.

Objective sources. Wikipedia is "completely biased" to anyone with a very skewed view of the world. You seem to be unable to process information that doesn't fit your conspiracy views or you literally misinterpret info to fit it.

Ted_YNWA

feedmindc19 wrote: »

https://youtu.be/IMAkFKprzRQ Interesting ?

Are you questioning whether a video you are sharing is interesting or not.

Are you not sure yourself?

harrylittle

Dohnjoe wrote: »

No, he's not a terrorist. The TPLF acquired tier 3 "terrorist" status for it's activities prior to 1991, before it became a ruling party in Ethiopia. Conspiracy theorists are going mental about this guy because he has links to the Clinton foundation and Bill Gates, and he's in the WHO, which is an organisation, and is therefore "evil".

Quote "The TPLF was listed as a terrorist organisation by the US government in the 1990s, and is still listed as one by the Global Terror Database because of its unfortunate habit of carrying out armed assaults in rural areas."

harrylittle

As millions of elderly Americans prepare to take COVID-19 vaccines that, according to numerous reports, can elicit some pretty serious post-2nd dose side-effects for a day or so, LifeSiteNews has reported that a Ukrainian Greek-Catholic priest died at his PA home after participating in Moderna's vaccine trial.

some organizations have raised questions about the rate of "serious" injury in the high-risk group of Moderna trial volunteers, as was disclosed with the latest round of 'Phase 3' trial data.

Three of the 15 human guinea pigs in the high-dose cohort - 250MG - reportedly suffered a "serious adverse event" within 43 days of receiving Moderna's jab

King Mob

harrylittle wrote: »

As millions of elderly Americans prepare to take COVID-19 vaccines that, according to numerous reports, can elicit some pretty serious post-2nd dose side-effects for a day or so, LifeSiteNews has reported that a Ukrainian Greek-Catholic priest died at his PA home after participating in Moderna's vaccine trial.

some organizations have raised questions about the rate of "serious" injury in the high-risk group of Moderna trial volunteers, as was disclosed with the latest round of 'Phase 3' trial data.

Three of the 15 human guinea pigs in the high-dose cohort - 250MG - reportedly suffered a "serious adverse event" within 43 days of receiving Moderna's jab

And no source for any of that.

Caraibh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Objective sources. Wikipedia is "completely biased" to anyone with a very skewed view of the world. You seem to be unable to process information that doesn't fit your conspiracy views or you literally misinterpret info to fit it.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/wikipedia-co-founder-larry-sanger-says-online-dictionary-scrapped-neutrality-favors-lefty-politics

Larry Sanger, who co-founded Wikipedia, claims it's biased.

harrylittle

//https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/priest-who-participated-in-trial-for-unethical-moderna-vaccine-dies-suddenly

King Mob wrote: »

And no source for any of that.

Dohnjoe

harrylittle wrote: »

As millions of elderly Americans prepare to take COVID-19 vaccines that, according to numerous reports, can elicit some pretty serious post-2nd dose side-effects for a day or so, LifeSiteNews has reported that a Ukrainian Greek-Catholic priest died at his PA home after participating in Moderna's vaccine trial.

Lifesitenews is a religious nut site. No one has died as a result of the Moderna trial.

Trigger

harrylittle wrote: »

//https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/priest-who-participated-in-trial-for-unethical-moderna-vaccine-dies-suddenly

Your "source" states "It is still unclear if the 70-year-old’s death is related to the vaccine."

Even lifesitenews has not stated that it was due to the vaccine.

King Mob

harrylittle wrote: »

//https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/priest-who-participated-in-trial-for-unethical-moderna-vaccine-dies-suddenly

As has been pointed out your source doesn't agree with you and from the look of things this site isn't very credible.

Do you have anything more substantive than a random sketchy website that doesn't say what you claimed it said?
A scientific study that indicated the dangers perhaps?

greenspurs

King Mob wrote: »

As has been pointed out your source doesn't agree with you and from the look of things this site isn't very credible.

Do you have anything more substantive than a random sketchy website that doesn't say what you claimed it said?
A scientific study that indicated the dangers perhaps?

And do you have anything to back up the makers of theses vaccines claims, that the vaccine they are making is safe ?
Apart from themselves saying it ?

:rolleyes:

King Mob

greenspurs wrote: »

And do you have anything to back up the makers of theses vaccines claims, that the vaccine they are making is safe ?
Apart from themselves saying it ?

:rolleyes:

Yes.
Part of the process in determining it's safety is independent verification by medical and government bodies.

Do you guys have anything that's also independently verified by reputable sources?
Anything at all?

greenspurs

King Mob wrote: »

Yes.
Part of the process in determining it's safety is independent verification by medical and government bodies.

Do you guys have anything that's also independently verified by reputable sources?
Anything at all?

including the disclaimer and indemnity 'in case' anything goes wrong ?

greenspurs

greenspurs wrote: »

including the disclaimer and indemnity 'in case' anything goes wrong ?

If you didn't have some form of indemnity, vaccines would simply not be manufactured at all. There's always a risk of side effects but the risk is greatly outweighed by that of covid.

Dohnjoe

greenspurs wrote: »

including the disclaimer and indemnity 'in case' anything goes wrong ?

Vaccine producers make the vaccines. There are regulatory bodies that strictly supervise and regulate that procedure to ensure as much safety as possible.

With potentially millions or 10's of millions of people taking a vaccine there is simply no way to ensure that there won't be some isolated cases with adverse effects, therefore indemnity isn't a black/white issue.

Trials have so far demonstrated good results, and normal vaccine testing procedure has been followed. So far, there's no basis to doubt that these vaccines will have any issues. Of course it goes without saying that nothing is 100% safe, but for those at risk currently, the (proposed) vaccines would appear to be the far, far safer option than the alternative of contracting Covid.

King Mob

greenspurs wrote: »

including the disclaimer and indemnity 'in case' anything goes wrong ?

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

Do you have any evidence to show that there are dangers with the vaccine that are being covered up?

Are you claiming that all the evidence presented to medical and government regulatory bodies is faked or fabricated or altered?

It's very easy to make vague baseless insinuations and use them to appear informed and clever.
However, these insinuations prove to be anything more than vague ignorant innuendo.

Please show that this is not the case here and present your evidence.

greenspurs

Yes, of course the vaccine makers are 100% honest...


https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/glaxosmithkline-plead-guilty-and-pay-3-billion-resolve-fraud-allegations-and-failure-report

GSK "anticipated legal action" ( hence the indemnity clauses)
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/1009/1082127-high-court-swine-flu/

https://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f695


Yes ?? Still not getting my point ?

Dohnjoe

greenspurs wrote: »

Yes, of course the vaccine makers are 100% honest...


https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/glaxosmithkline-plead-guilty-and-pay-3-billion-resolve-fraud-allegations-and-failure-report

GSK "anticipated legal action" ( hence the indemnity clauses)
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/1009/1082127-high-court-swine-flu/

https://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f695


Yes ?? Still not getting my point ?

These are isolated cases, not systematic. And the reason you are reading about them is because they were exceptional and were dealt with.

People with an agenda to scare others or plant doubt about other vaccines often use these cases.

greenspurs

greenspurs wrote: »

Yes, of course the vaccine makers are 100% honest...


https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/glaxosmithkline-plead-guilty-and-pay-3-billion-resolve-fraud-allegations-and-failure-report

GSK "anticipated legal action" ( hence the indemnity clauses)
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/1009/1082127-high-court-swine-flu/

https://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f695


Yes ?? Still not getting my point ?

Out of interest, do you think the mmr vaccine or hpv vaccine are overall good for society? How about the smallpox or polio ones?

greenspurs

Deleted User wrote: »

If you didn't have some form of indemnity, vaccines would simply not be manufactured at all. There's always a risk of side effects but the risk is greatly outweighed by that of covid.

From WHO :

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/myth-busters#:~:text=FACT%3A%20Most%20people%20who,seek%20medical%20care%20immediately.

Also from WHO :

" The most common symptoms of COVID-19 are fever, tiredness, and dry cough. Some patients may have aches and pains, nasal congestion, runny nose, or sore throat. These symptoms are usually mild and begin gradually. Most people (about 80%) recover from the disease without needing special treatment, and for the majority – especially for children and young adults – illness due to COVID-19 is generally minor.

However, for some people it can cause serious illness. Around 1 in every 5 people who are infected with COVID-19 develop difficulty in breathing and require hospital care. "

80% recover
And "for the majority ... is generally minor"

20% develop difficulty in breathing.


65 million have 'contracted' covid worldwide - 1.5 million deaths
Thats 0.9%
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1087466/covid19-cases-recoveries-deaths-worldwide/

King Mob

greenspurs wrote: »

Yes, of course the vaccine makers are 100% honest...

Yes ?? Still not getting my point ?

No, you are still making vague insinuations.
I think this is because you don't have any evidence to support definitive statements because you don't actually have any secret knowledge about a sinister conspiracy you've figured out.

I think you're just making vague insinuations with nothing behind them.

Please provide direct evidence that there are side effects or safety issues beyond what has been concluded by the various medical and government bodies.

greenspurs

Dohnjoe wrote: »

These are isolated cases, not systematic. And the reason you are reading about them is because they were exceptional and were dealt with.

People with an agenda to scare others or plant doubt about other vaccines often use these cases.

So you can still explain away the argument for the other side ?
Wow...

And you will still blindly believe the same manufacturers ?

Excellent.... good lads.

Dohnjoe

greenspurs wrote: »

From WHO :

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/myth-busters#:~:text=FACT%3A%20Most%20people%20who,seek%20medical%20care%20immediately.

Also from WHO :

" The most common symptoms of COVID-19 are fever, tiredness, and dry cough. Some patients may have aches and pains, nasal congestion, runny nose, or sore throat. These symptoms are usually mild and begin gradually. Most people (about 80%) recover from the disease without needing special treatment, and for the majority – especially for children and young adults – illness due to COVID-19 is generally minor.

However, for some people it can cause serious illness. Around 1 in every 5 people who are infected with COVID-19 develop difficulty in breathing and require hospital care. "

80% recover
And "for the majority ... is generally minor"

20% develop difficulty in breathing.


65 million have 'contracted' covid worldwide - 1.5 million deaths
Thats 0.9%
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1087466/covid19-cases-recoveries-deaths-worldwide/

Yes, it's a lot of deaths. Yesterday more people died of Covid in the US than on 9/11.

With vaccines and good policy the world can get that down close to zero.

greenspurs

Dohnjoe wrote: »

These are isolated cases, not systematic. And the reason you are reading about them is because they were exceptional and were dealt with.

People with an agenda to scare others or plant doubt about other vaccines often use these cases.

So proven cases , in courts, still arent enough ?
Because they dont suit your 'agenda'
Ha haaaaa

King Mob

greenspurs wrote: »

1.5 million deaths

Oh well. It's only 1.5 million deaths.

Also, could you explain how many death percentagewise the vaccine will cause.
Again please provide an actual source for this figure.