The Vaccine

King Mob · 03-12-2020 3:49pm

Caraibh wrote: »

Was Health Passport Ireland carrying out trials during the swine flu pandemic?

Nope.
Why were you guys claiming the same stuff back then?

And what happens do your conspiracy theory when this doesn't happen?

Caraibh · 03-12-2020 3:56pm

King Mob wrote: »

Nope.
Why were you guys claiming the same stuff back then?

And what happens do your conspiracy theory when this doesn't happen?

Okay, so is that a big difference between now and then? We're people claiming in 2009 that Health Passport Ireland would be a thing?

03-12-2020 4:00pm

GT89 wrote: »

Here's how I think the roll out of the mandatory vaccine will be. First most countries will not actually say to citizens it is mandatory although there may be some that will and it won't be overnight. Why I am saying it will be mandatory but not required by law basically you will be coerced into taking it as you won't be able to function in society without taking the vaccine.

Firstly I believe it will be mandatory to be vaccinated in order to receive non emmergency healthcare on public healthcare systems that will be the start it will be under the guise of keeping covid out of hospitals but since not everyone is going to be using healthcare same with nursing home residents and vistors. They won't be able to refuse someone in a+e who had a heart attack for not being vaccinated at first but if you needed to go in for surgery it will no vaccine no surgery. But since not everyone will require hospital treatment particularly the young and the healthy not everyone will bother unless they need to go in to hospital for a procedure.

Then countries and arlines will start to require vaccine for travel and entry to a country. At this point most people will get it but some will not and chose to stay in their country of residence. There may be some countries that won't require and these places may see a short term boom in tourism from people not willing to het the vaccine provided the airlines flying there don't require their passengers to vaccinated. Of course countries may refuse to allow planes to land unless the airline requires vaccinations for travel.

Then once it is required for international travel then governements will put in mandates that in order to attend events like concerts and football matches but since again some will forgo going to these events some people will once again not be vaccinated. At this stage vaccination rates will probably be around 90% but still not good enough according to some people just 90% mask compliance is not good enough for some.

Then it will be mandatory on public transport, in shops, bars and restaurants. That's when people won't have much choice at all but to take the vaccine including the most vocal opponents of vaccines.

International travel will be first thing to adapt vaccine exemption (or whatever you want to call it). "Health Passport" already exists in another guise. There is already a system in place in most countries to stop covid coming in. If we take a random country for example, Iceland, I was looking to travel there over Christmas so its fresh in my mind. You need to do a test a few days prior to travel and quarantine for a week on arrival, and another test at the end of that week; if you get two negative results, you're free to travel. I imagine all countries will integrate proof of vaccine into that scheme to allow tourism. Why wouldn't they. Bit of a no-brainer if they don't want covid coming in.

You could always take the vaccine yourself and help us all move past this as quickly as possible.

Caraibh · 03-12-2020 4:13pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

International travel will be first thing to adapt vaccine exemption (or whatever you want to call it). "Health Passport" already exists in another guise. There is already a system in place in most countries to stop covid coming in. If we take a random country for example, Iceland, I was looking to travel there over Christmas so its fresh in my mind. You need to do a test a few days prior to travel and quarantine for a week on arrival, and another test at the end of that week; if you get two negative results, you're free to travel. I imagine all countries will integrate proof of vaccine into that scheme to allow tourism. Why wouldn't they. Bit of a no-brainer if they don't want covid coming in.

You could always take the vaccine yourself and help us all move past this as quickly as possible.

I actually don't have a problem with the vaccine being mandatory for international travel because that's the case for other vaccines such as yellow fever, for example. But the world Health Passport Ireland has in store for the country, based on the end of its promotional video on YouTube, is basically China with its social credit system. Would you agree?

03-12-2020 4:22pm

Caraibh wrote: »

I actually don't have a problem with the vaccine being mandatory for international travel because that's the case for other vaccines such as yellow fever, for example. But the world Health Passport Ireland has in store for the country, based on the end of its promotional video on YouTube, is basically China with its social credit system. Would you agree?

If you are talking about an app that proves you have had the vaccine, which is not basically China's social credit system, then yeah I'd be fine with it for optional parts of our society. Concerts and festivals couldn't go ahead without it.

GT89 · 03-12-2020 4:27pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

International travel will be first thing to adapt vaccine exemption (or whatever you want to call it). "Health Passport" already exists in another guise. There is already a system in place in most countries to stop covid coming in. If we take a random country for example, Iceland, I was looking to travel there over Christmas so its fresh in my mind. You need to do a test a few days prior to travel and quarantine for a week on arrival, and another test at the end of that week; if you get two negative results, you're free to travel. I imagine all countries will integrate proof of vaccine into that scheme to allow tourism. Why wouldn't they. Bit of a no-brainer if they don't want covid coming in.

You could always take the vaccine yourself and help us all move past this as quickly as possible.

This is a control mechanism once you get the vaccine you are safe right. Why would anyone who get's the vaccine care about people being unvaccinated you are vaccinated you are safe from covid why does it matter if everyone around you get's it or not.

Anyway it won't just be countries doing it will be airlines themselves, concert venues, shops and public transport operators looking for proof. Not beyond the realms of possibility that it may even be mandatory to go outside the door of your house in some countries and the police will arrest or fine you if you cannot show proof of vaccination.

Maybe another possibility is it will be nessecary to be vaccinated in order to set up a bank account and for things like revolut. Cashless society is the way things are going so you won't be able to buy nessecities if you have not been vaccinated as to do so you will need a credit card or mobile phone payments and if you don't have the vaccine you won't be getting either.

Dohnjoe · 03-12-2020 4:43pm

GT89 wrote: »

Here's how I think the roll out of the mandatory vaccine will be.

There is no evidence of a mandatory vaccine. There is only evidence of people who endlessly fantasize about a mandatory vaccine.

03-12-2020 4:44pm

GT89 wrote: »

This is a control mechanism once you get the vaccine you are safe right. Why would anyone who get's the vaccine care about people being unvaccinated you are vaccinated you are safe from covid why does it matter if everyone around you get's it or not.

This is so short sighted. I'll get the vaccine for those that can't so we can reach herd immunity as quickly as possible to get back to normal as quick as possible.

Anyway it won't just be countries doing it will be airlines themselves, concert venues, shops and public transport operators looking for proof. Not beyond the realms of possibility that it may even be mandatory to go outside the door of your house in some countries and the police will arrest or fine you if you cannot show proof of vaccination.

Given how long it's going to take to roll out the vaccine, this can't realistically happen. Those who get the vaccine first will be allowed to get the bus to work? It doesn't make sense. I can see it happening for concerts and restaurants. Not a fcuking hope we'll be forced to stay in our homes. We'll reach herd immunity with something close to our current restrictions in place.

Maybe another possibility is it will be nessecary to be vaccinated in order to set up a bank account and for things like revolut. Cashless society is the way things are going so you won't be able to buy nessecities if you have not been vaccinated as to do so you will need a credit card or mobile phone payments and if you don't have the vaccine you won't be getting either.

lol

GT89 · 03-12-2020 4:51pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

There is no evidence of a mandatory vaccine. There is only evidence of people who endlessly fantasize about a mandatory vaccine.

Won't be required by law. Will be brought in through the back door. No vaccine no bank account no bank account no way to pay for food.

Man Vs ManUre · 03-12-2020 4:54pm

I was in Lidl there earlier today but they didn’t have it. When can we expect to get it and how much??

GT89 · 03-12-2020 5:07pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is so short sighted. I'll get the vaccine for those that can't so we can reach herd immunity as quickly as possible to get back to normal as quick as possible.

It won't matter if you cannot get the vaccine due to medical reasons. You still won't be allowed into most places without a shot. Certain people are exempt from mask wearing but some businesses, bus drivers and Gardai will still refuse you access and/or arrest you if you are exempt. Look at Andy Heasman a man who is exempt from mask wearing but was still refused on a bus and in supervalu for not wearing one even though he is exempt from wearing a mask. I expect similar when it comes to vaccinations.

Given how long it's going to take to roll out the vaccine, this can't realistically happen. Those who get the vaccine first will be allowed to get the bus to work? It doesn't make sense. I can see it happening for concerts and restaurants. Not a fcuking hope we'll be forced to stay in our homes. We'll reach herd immunity with something close to our current restrictions in place.

Once it's fully rolled out and freely available it could well in my opinion be nessecary to vaccinated in order to travel on public transport. No vaccination no Leap card or contactless card meaning no way to travel on public transport as it will be cashless by then. In some countries you can open ticket barriers in railway stations with a chip inserted in your arm.

Dohnjoe · 03-12-2020 5:14pm

GT89 wrote: »

Won't be required by law. Will be brought in through the back door.

According to you personally. Is this a fact or something you've rationalised in your head?

If it's a fact I would like proper details and evidence of it.

No vaccine no bank account no bank account no way to pay for food.

Sorry but this is complete drivel unless you can demonstrate otherwise.

Caraibh · 03-12-2020 5:20pm

WHO are looking into e-passports/certificates for international travel. And so it begins.

On WHO, was the head of WHO a member of a terrorist organisation? I have read articles which say he was.

03-12-2020 5:22pm

GT89 wrote: »

It won't matter if you cannot get the vaccine due to medical reasons. You still won't be allowed into most places without a shot. Certain people are exempt from mask wearing but some businesses, bus drivers and Gardai will still refuse you access and/or arrest you if you are exempt. Look at Andy Heasman a man who is exempt from mask wearing but was still refused on a bus and in supervalu for not wearing one even though he is exempt from wearing a mask. I expect similar when it comes to vaccinations.

Once it's fully rolled out and freely available it could well in my opinion be nessecary to vaccinated in order to travel on public transport. No vaccination no Leap card or contactless card meaning no way to travel on public transport as it will be cashless by then.

None of what you mention will happen. Mass gatherings and travel are the only concerns. We can reach herd immunity without them.

In some countries you can open ticket barriers in railway stations with a chip inserted in your arm.

Gas. I can see your mind at work. How is this relevant. You can do this now by cutting up your leap card, taking the NFC chip and putting it wherever you want.

03-12-2020 5:23pm

Caraibh wrote: »

WHO are looking into e-passports/certificates for international travel. And so it begins.

On WHO, was the head of WHO a member of a terrorist organisation? I have read articles which say he was.

... and I'm out. Good luck folks. Please get the vaccine.

GT89 · 03-12-2020 5:28pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

According to you personally. Is this a fact or something you've rationalised in your head?

If it's a fact I would like proper details and evidence of it.

Sorry but this is complete drivel unless you can demonstrate otherwise.

It is my opinion. I hope it is not true but I think it is the way we are headed.

Caraibh · 03-12-2020 5:33pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

... and I'm out. Good luck folks. Please get the vaccine.

"Tedros became a member of the Tigray People's Liberation Front (TPLF), which began a protracted rebellion against the military government and was crucial in the 1991 overthrow of Mengistu Haile Mariam, Ethiopia's Marxist dictator. The victory resulted in swapping out a Amhara-dominated government with one led by Tigray leaders, which led to more than a decade of conflict.

Journalist Abebe Gellaw claims Tedros was one of the top three members of the TPLF and that the party is "ultimately responsible for all the corruption, killings, torture, mass detention, land grab or displacement," he wrote in the Ethiopian Registrar.

The United States State Department has categorized TPLF as a terrorist organization due to its "violent activities before it became part of the ruling coalition and the government of Ethiopia in May 1991.""

I'll post the link to the article I took that from when I can.

Was Abebe Gellaw lying?

Dohnjoe · 03-12-2020 5:48pm

Caraibh wrote: »

WHO are looking into e-passports/certificates for international travel. And so it begins.

And so what begins exactly?

On WHO, was the head of WHO a member of a terrorist organisation? I have read articles which say he was.

You regularly read conspiracy material and paste it up here.

Caraibh · 03-12-2020 6:37pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And so what begins exactly?

You regularly read conspiracy material and paste it up here.

The digital control of our lives.

The article was on foxnews.com. Fox, regardless of whether people like it or not, is the most watched cable news station in the US. Hardly conspiracy material. Was the guy from WHO a member of that terrorist organisation?

Dohnjoe · 03-12-2020 6:45pm

Caraibh wrote: »

The digital control of our lives.

Okay but you need to explain this. By who exactly, why exactly, details and specifics

Let's start with Ireland, name the ministers behind it, detail the plan and give the reasoning. If you can't it's just something that lives inside your head as a fantasy.

The article was on foxnews.com. Fox, regardless of whether people like it or not, is the most watched cable news station in the US. Hardly conspiracy material. Was the guy from WHO a member of that terrorist organisation?

Link? because based on your post history you seem to have difficulty with context.

harrylittle · 03-12-2020 7:24pm

Deleted User wrote: »

... and I'm out. Good luck folks. Please get the vaccine.

ARE THESE THE ALLEGATIONS

QUOTE "It is interesting to note that Tedros started his political career by aligning with the TPLF, a hard-left organisation that later became part of the Ethiopian People’s Revolutionary Democratic Front, a coalition of left-wing parties that ruled Ethiopia until last year (TPLF was classified as a terrorist organisation in the Global terror database). According to one Ethiopian newspaper, Tedros was listed as the third most important member of the TPLF’s politburo standing committee.

As an important TPLF member, Tedros joined the Ethiopian health ministry and rose through the ranks to become the country’s health minister in 2005. During his tenure, which lasted until 2012, he was credited for work done on reducing rates of HIV, measles and malaria.

However, it was also during this time that strong allegations emerged of the TPLF engaging in “systematic discrimination and human rights abuses” by refusing emergency healthcare to the Amhara ethnic group because of their affiliation with the opposition party. In 2010, Human Rights Watch wrote a report on how to aid in the form of food and fertiliser was withheld from local Amhara villagers.

Interviews by an observer group in 2009 with several people across three regions of Ethiopia yielded widespread suppression of political dissent by conditioning access to essential government programs on food and health. The report issued by the Human Rights Watch was scathing of how Tedros’s government used donor-supported resources and aid as a tool to consolidate power.

Given the strong ethnic fissures between the Tigray and the Ahmara ethnicities, these allegations started gaining credence further as birth rates were recorded to be significantly lower in the Amhara region compared to other regions and two million Amhara people “disappeared” from the subsequent population census.

Also, by the time Tedros left office as health minister, the Amhara region was severely underperforming in health indicators as compared to the Tigray region. The health coverage (physician to population ratio) was 5X apart in the two regions and infant mortality was vastly different."

Dohnjoe · 03-12-2020 7:52pm

harrylittle wrote: »

ARE THESE THE ALLEGATIONS

QUOTE "It is interesting to note that Tedros started his political career by aligning with the TPLF, a hard-left organisation that later became part of the Ethiopian People’s Revolutionary Democratic Front, a coalition of left-wing parties that ruled Ethiopia until last year (TPLF was classified as a terrorist organisation in the Global terror database). According to one Ethiopian newspaper, Tedros was listed as the third most important member of the TPLF’s politburo standing committee.

As an important TPLF member, Tedros joined the Ethiopian health ministry and rose through the ranks to become the country’s health minister in 2005. During his tenure, which lasted until 2012, he was credited for work done on reducing rates of HIV, measles and malaria.

However, it was also during this time that strong allegations emerged of the TPLF engaging in “systematic discrimination and human rights abuses” by refusing emergency healthcare to the Amhara ethnic group because of their affiliation with the opposition party. In 2010, Human Rights Watch wrote a report on how to aid in the form of food and fertiliser was withheld from local Amhara villagers.

Interviews by an observer group in 2009 with several people across three regions of Ethiopia yielded widespread suppression of political dissent by conditioning access to essential government programs on food and health. The report issued by the Human Rights Watch was scathing of how Tedros’s government used donor-supported resources and aid as a tool to consolidate power.

Given the strong ethnic fissures between the Tigray and the Ahmara ethnicities, these allegations started gaining credence further as birth rates were recorded to be significantly lower in the Amhara region compared to other regions and two million Amhara people “disappeared” from the subsequent population census.

Also, by the time Tedros left office as health minister, the Amhara region was severely underperforming in health indicators as compared to the Tigray region. The health coverage (physician to population ratio) was 5X apart in the two regions and infant mortality was vastly different."

No, he's not a terrorist. The TPLF acquired tier 3 "terrorist" status for it's activities prior to 1991, before it became a ruling party in Ethiopia. Conspiracy theorists are going mental about this guy because he has links to the Clinton foundation and Bill Gates, and he's in the WHO, which is an organisation, and is therefore "evil".

Caraibh · 03-12-2020 8:12pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

No, he's not a terrorist. The TPLF acquired tier 3 "terrorist" status for it's activities prior to 1991, before it became a ruling party in Ethiopia. Conspiracy theorists are going mental about this guy because he has links to the Clinton foundation and Bill Gates, and he's in the WHO, which is an organisation, and is therefore "evil".

What about this bit:

"However, it was also during this time that strong allegations emerged of the TPLF engaging in “systematic discrimination and human rights abuses” by refusing emergency healthcare to the Amhara ethnic group because of their affiliation with the opposition party. In 2010, Human Rights Watch wrote a report on how to aid in the form of food and fertiliser was withheld from local Amhara villagers."

Didn't he also cover up three outbreaks of cholera?

Dohnjoe · 03-12-2020 8:22pm

Caraibh wrote: »

What about this bit:

"However, it was also during this time that strong allegations emerged of the TPLF engaging in “systematic discrimination and human rights abuses” by refusing emergency healthcare to the Amhara ethnic group because of their affiliation with the opposition party. In 2010, Human Rights Watch wrote a report on how to aid in the form of food and fertiliser was withheld from local Amhara villagers."

Didn't he also cover up three outbreaks of cholera?

It's tenuous character assassination. You can read about his history on wiki or normal sources.

Caraibh · 03-12-2020 8:28pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's tenuous character assassination. You can read about his history on wiki or normal sources.

By normal sources do you mean sources that are favourable to him?

Wikipedia is completely biased.

Dohnjoe · 03-12-2020 9:17pm

Caraibh wrote: »

By normal sources do you mean sources that are favourable to him?

Wikipedia is completely biased.

Objective sources. Wikipedia is "completely biased" to anyone with a very skewed view of the world. You seem to be unable to process information that doesn't fit your conspiracy views or you literally misinterpret info to fit it.

Ted_YNWA · 03-12-2020 9:53pm

feedmindc19 wrote: »

https://youtu.be/IMAkFKprzRQ Interesting ?

Are you questioning whether a video you are sharing is interesting or not.

Are you not sure yourself?

harrylittle · 03-12-2020 11:01pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

No, he's not a terrorist. The TPLF acquired tier 3 "terrorist" status for it's activities prior to 1991, before it became a ruling party in Ethiopia. Conspiracy theorists are going mental about this guy because he has links to the Clinton foundation and Bill Gates, and he's in the WHO, which is an organisation, and is therefore "evil".

Quote "The TPLF was listed as a terrorist organisation by the US government in the 1990s, and is still listed as one by the Global Terror Database because of its unfortunate habit of carrying out armed assaults in rural areas."

harrylittle · 03-12-2020 11:29pm

As millions of elderly Americans prepare to take COVID-19 vaccines that, according to numerous reports, can elicit some pretty serious post-2nd dose side-effects for a day or so, LifeSiteNews has reported that a Ukrainian Greek-Catholic priest died at his PA home after participating in Moderna's vaccine trial.

some organizations have raised questions about the rate of "serious" injury in the high-risk group of Moderna trial volunteers, as was disclosed with the latest round of 'Phase 3' trial data.

Three of the 15 human guinea pigs in the high-dose cohort - 250MG - reportedly suffered a "serious adverse event" within 43 days of receiving Moderna's jab

King Mob · 03-12-2020 11:33pm

harrylittle wrote: »

As millions of elderly Americans prepare to take COVID-19 vaccines that, according to numerous reports, can elicit some pretty serious post-2nd dose side-effects for a day or so, LifeSiteNews has reported that a Ukrainian Greek-Catholic priest died at his PA home after participating in Moderna's vaccine trial.

some organizations have raised questions about the rate of "serious" injury in the high-risk group of Moderna trial volunteers, as was disclosed with the latest round of 'Phase 3' trial data.

Three of the 15 human guinea pigs in the high-dose cohort - 250MG - reportedly suffered a "serious adverse event" within 43 days of receiving Moderna's jab

And no source for any of that.

Caraibh · 03-12-2020 11:35pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Objective sources. Wikipedia is "completely biased" to anyone with a very skewed view of the world. You seem to be unable to process information that doesn't fit your conspiracy views or you literally misinterpret info to fit it.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/wikipedia-co-founder-larry-sanger-says-online-dictionary-scrapped-neutrality-favors-lefty-politics

Larry Sanger, who co-founded Wikipedia, claims it's biased.

harrylittle · 03-12-2020 11:41pm

//https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/priest-who-participated-in-trial-for-unethical-moderna-vaccine-dies-suddenly

King Mob wrote: »

And no source for any of that.

Dohnjoe · 04-12-2020 1:02am

harrylittle wrote: »

As millions of elderly Americans prepare to take COVID-19 vaccines that, according to numerous reports, can elicit some pretty serious post-2nd dose side-effects for a day or so, LifeSiteNews has reported that a Ukrainian Greek-Catholic priest died at his PA home after participating in Moderna's vaccine trial.

Lifesitenews is a religious nut site. No one has died as a result of the Moderna trial.

Trigger · 04-12-2020 1:30am

harrylittle wrote: »

//https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/priest-who-participated-in-trial-for-unethical-moderna-vaccine-dies-suddenly

Your "source" states "It is still unclear if the 70-year-old’s death is related to the vaccine."

Even lifesitenews has not stated that it was due to the vaccine.

King Mob · 04-12-2020 1:42am

harrylittle wrote: »

//https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/priest-who-participated-in-trial-for-unethical-moderna-vaccine-dies-suddenly

As has been pointed out your source doesn't agree with you and from the look of things this site isn't very credible.

Do you have anything more substantive than a random sketchy website that doesn't say what you claimed it said?
A scientific study that indicated the dangers perhaps?

greenspurs · 04-12-2020 11:01am

King Mob wrote: »

As has been pointed out your source doesn't agree with you and from the look of things this site isn't very credible.

Do you have anything more substantive than a random sketchy website that doesn't say what you claimed it said?
A scientific study that indicated the dangers perhaps?

And do you have anything to back up the makers of theses vaccines claims, that the vaccine they are making is safe ?
Apart from themselves saying it ?

:rolleyes:

King Mob · 04-12-2020 11:04am

greenspurs wrote: »

And do you have anything to back up the makers of theses vaccines claims, that the vaccine they are making is safe ?
Apart from themselves saying it ?

:rolleyes:

Yes.
Part of the process in determining it's safety is independent verification by medical and government bodies.

Do you guys have anything that's also independently verified by reputable sources?
Anything at all?

greenspurs · 04-12-2020 11:36am

King Mob wrote: »

Yes.
Part of the process in determining it's safety is independent verification by medical and government bodies.

Do you guys have anything that's also independently verified by reputable sources?
Anything at all?

including the disclaimer and indemnity 'in case' anything goes wrong ?

04-12-2020 11:50am

greenspurs wrote: »

including the disclaimer and indemnity 'in case' anything goes wrong ?

If you didn't have some form of indemnity, vaccines would simply not be manufactured at all. There's always a risk of side effects but the risk is greatly outweighed by that of covid.

Dohnjoe · 04-12-2020 11:56am

greenspurs wrote: »

including the disclaimer and indemnity 'in case' anything goes wrong ?

Vaccine producers make the vaccines. There are regulatory bodies that strictly supervise and regulate that procedure to ensure as much safety as possible.

With potentially millions or 10's of millions of people taking a vaccine there is simply no way to ensure that there won't be some isolated cases with adverse effects, therefore indemnity isn't a black/white issue.

Trials have so far demonstrated good results, and normal vaccine testing procedure has been followed. So far, there's no basis to doubt that these vaccines will have any issues. Of course it goes without saying that nothing is 100% safe, but for those at risk currently, the (proposed) vaccines would appear to be the far, far safer option than the alternative of contracting Covid.

King Mob · 04-12-2020 12:01pm

greenspurs wrote: »

including the disclaimer and indemnity 'in case' anything goes wrong ?

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

Do you have any evidence to show that there are dangers with the vaccine that are being covered up?

Are you claiming that all the evidence presented to medical and government regulatory bodies is faked or fabricated or altered?

It's very easy to make vague baseless insinuations and use them to appear informed and clever.
However, these insinuations prove to be anything more than vague ignorant innuendo.

Please show that this is not the case here and present your evidence.

greenspurs · 04-12-2020 12:12pm

Yes, of course the vaccine makers are 100% honest...

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/glaxosmithkline-plead-guilty-and-pay-3-billion-resolve-fraud-allegations-and-failure-report

GSK "anticipated legal action" ( hence the indemnity clauses)
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/1009/1082127-high-court-swine-flu/

https://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f695

Yes ?? Still not getting my point ?

Dohnjoe · 04-12-2020 12:17pm

greenspurs wrote: »

Yes, of course the vaccine makers are 100% honest...

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/glaxosmithkline-plead-guilty-and-pay-3-billion-resolve-fraud-allegations-and-failure-report

GSK "anticipated legal action" ( hence the indemnity clauses)
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/1009/1082127-high-court-swine-flu/

https://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f695

Yes ?? Still not getting my point ?

These are isolated cases, not systematic. And the reason you are reading about them is because they were exceptional and were dealt with.

People with an agenda to scare others or plant doubt about other vaccines often use these cases.

04-12-2020 12:19pm

greenspurs wrote: »

Yes, of course the vaccine makers are 100% honest...

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/glaxosmithkline-plead-guilty-and-pay-3-billion-resolve-fraud-allegations-and-failure-report

GSK "anticipated legal action" ( hence the indemnity clauses)
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/1009/1082127-high-court-swine-flu/

https://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f695

Yes ?? Still not getting my point ?

Out of interest, do you think the mmr vaccine or hpv vaccine are overall good for society? How about the smallpox or polio ones?

greenspurs · 04-12-2020 12:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

If you didn't have some form of indemnity, vaccines would simply not be manufactured at all. There's always a risk of side effects but the risk is greatly outweighed by that of covid.

From WHO :

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/myth-busters#:~:text=FACT%3A%20Most%20people%20who,seek%20medical%20care%20immediately.

Also from WHO :

" The most common symptoms of COVID-19 are fever, tiredness, and dry cough. Some patients may have aches and pains, nasal congestion, runny nose, or sore throat. These symptoms are usually mild and begin gradually. Most people (about 80%) recover from the disease without needing special treatment, and for the majority – especially for children and young adults – illness due to COVID-19 is generally minor.

However, for some people it can cause serious illness. Around 1 in every 5 people who are infected with COVID-19 develop difficulty in breathing and require hospital care. "

80% recover
And "for the majority ... is generally minor"

20% develop difficulty in breathing.

65 million have 'contracted' covid worldwide - 1.5 million deaths
Thats 0.9%
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1087466/covid19-cases-recoveries-deaths-worldwide/

King Mob · 04-12-2020 12:20pm

greenspurs wrote: »

Yes, of course the vaccine makers are 100% honest...

Yes ?? Still not getting my point ?

No, you are still making vague insinuations.
I think this is because you don't have any evidence to support definitive statements because you don't actually have any secret knowledge about a sinister conspiracy you've figured out.

I think you're just making vague insinuations with nothing behind them.

Please provide direct evidence that there are side effects or safety issues beyond what has been concluded by the various medical and government bodies.

greenspurs · 04-12-2020 12:21pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

These are isolated cases, not systematic. And the reason you are reading about them is because they were exceptional and were dealt with.

People with an agenda to scare others or plant doubt about other vaccines often use these cases.

So you can still explain away the argument for the other side ?
Wow...

And you will still blindly believe the same manufacturers ?

Excellent.... good lads.

Dohnjoe · 04-12-2020 12:22pm

greenspurs wrote: »

From WHO :

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/myth-busters#:~:text=FACT%3A%20Most%20people%20who,seek%20medical%20care%20immediately.

Also from WHO :

" The most common symptoms of COVID-19 are fever, tiredness, and dry cough. Some patients may have aches and pains, nasal congestion, runny nose, or sore throat. These symptoms are usually mild and begin gradually. Most people (about 80%) recover from the disease without needing special treatment, and for the majority – especially for children and young adults – illness due to COVID-19 is generally minor.

However, for some people it can cause serious illness. Around 1 in every 5 people who are infected with COVID-19 develop difficulty in breathing and require hospital care. "

80% recover
And "for the majority ... is generally minor"

20% develop difficulty in breathing.

65 million have 'contracted' covid worldwide - 1.5 million deaths
Thats 0.9%
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1087466/covid19-cases-recoveries-deaths-worldwide/

Yes, it's a lot of deaths. Yesterday more people died of Covid in the US than on 9/11.

With vaccines and good policy the world can get that down close to zero.

greenspurs · 04-12-2020 12:22pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

These are isolated cases, not systematic. And the reason you are reading about them is because they were exceptional and were dealt with.

People with an agenda to scare others or plant doubt about other vaccines often use these cases.

So proven cases , in courts, still arent enough ?
Because they dont suit your 'agenda'
Ha haaaaa

King Mob · 04-12-2020 12:22pm

greenspurs wrote: »

1.5 million deaths

Oh well. It's only 1.5 million deaths.

Also, could you explain how many death percentagewise the vaccine will cause.
Again please provide an actual source for this figure.

The Vaccine

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