Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles

darconio wrote: »

They already have the story of the new strain up their sleeve, and several others ready to be brought up at the right moment.

They started something diabolical, if they stop it it will be like admitting that it was all out of proportion.
The vaccine is effective, but not so effective so hold your horses until we say so, and until we shift the goalpost.
Restrictions are here to stay but we will be at a stage than even a small allowance will be greeted like a victory. We will get a 2 hour slot in a pub and that will be the highlight of the night, travelling only if essential, mandatory vaccination, but covid-19 is the new antichrist and must be defeated at the expenses of our existence.
Who will be able to draw the line when we hit the next flu-season? who will be capable of separating the people dying from influenza or cardiovascular/respiratory disease from the people dying with covid? They implanted the fear of dying in the population anything resembling this virus will be treated like the plague.

Me too I really want to be wrong here, I really do ...

Great news. You are.

Happy Christmas.

Boggles

weldoninhio wrote: »

He's a GP, same as Dr Feeney and Dr De Brun, both of whom were forced out of their positions because they dared disagree with St Tony of Scandal.

Heard Immunity loon and anti mask nut?

They "disagreed" with reality and both resigned.

Hardly any sort of loss TBF.

rob316

I really don't understand the hairdressers/salons been closed again. What is the science behind those, they are I would think the safest retail activity.

Mr Velo

rob316 wrote: »

I really don't understand the hairdressers/salons been closed again. What is the science behind those, they are I would think the safest retail activity.

Was just about to post the same thing.
They have followed all guidelines etc since re-opening. Makes absolutely no sense that they should have to shut up shop again.

dalyboy

murpho999 wrote: »

Ok, an atricle from one of the worst English papers and it's from January when all this was breaking.

I'm not accepting this as proof that the Irish media is scaremongering the Irish population.

Anybody who depends on The Sun for news is an idiot in my opinion.

You said you didn’t read any articles RE people falling dead and there was little coverage at the time.
It was constantly being covered on ALL media at the time.
The very essence of scaremongering.

Lundstram

Portugal begin vaccinating on Sunday, Ireland will give its first on New Year’s Eve. A pathetic 10,000 doses in the first batch which will mean 5,000 will be done.

Already behind other nations.

Our lot more interested in closing down barbers but keeping Penney’s open for some strange reason.

FintanMcluskey

“Many people are alive today because of our actions” “we have the lowest death rate in Europe due to our actions”

No Micheál, the age profile of the nation is the reason, not the restrictions

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

He wants people to be afraid...

And yet you can’t see any evidence of fear mongering...

And what exactly is the “right thing”?

facehugger99 wrote: »

I stupidly thought that Holohan and RTE would lay off the fear-mongering and hysteria for a week or so around Christmas and give people a break.

It doesn't affect me as I never watch RTE or listen to their radio stations but I know a lot of older people who get all their info. from RTE.

It really is disgraceful after 9 solid months of finger-wagging they have ramped up the hysteria just as people might finally get a chance to spend some time with family that they haven't seen in a long time.

Holohan and RTE should be ashamed of themselves.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Why are hairdressers closing on the 24th?

It’s a police state now

FlubberJones wrote: »

Assume the gyms will be closed yet again... FFS

darconio wrote: »

They already have the story of the new strain up their sleeve, and several others ready to be brought up at the right moment.

They started something diabolical, if they stop it it will be like admitting that it was all out of proportion.
The vaccine is effective, but not so effective so hold your horses until we say so, and until we shift the goalpost.
Restrictions are here to stay but we will be at a stage than even a small allowance will be greeted like a victory. We will get a 2 hour slot in a pub and that will be the highlight of the night, travelling only if essential, mandatory vaccination, but covid-19 is the new antichrist and must be defeated at the expenses of our existence.
Who will be able to draw the line when we hit the next flu-season? who will be capable of separating the people dying from influenza or cardiovascular/respiratory disease from the people dying with covid? They implanted the fear of dying in the population anything resembling this virus will be treated like the plague.

Me too I really want to be wrong here, I really do ...

Peak hysteria on the restrictions thread.

storker

Deleted User wrote: »

Peak hysteria on the restrictions thread.

...and with straight faces, they'll accuse others of scaremongering. :rolleyes:

Dempo1

No messing around here, they've pretty much thought of every angle to avoid Traditional Christmas eve gatherings in pubs, Hotel bars, residents only. Odd decision re non essential retail, most closed after Christmas eve for a few days anyway.

I'll get hammered but what exactly has happened over the past two weeks???? Bedlam in shops, not terribly difficult to work out what's to blame.

Amirani

Lundstram wrote: »

Portugal begin vaccinating on Sunday, Ireland will give its first on New Year’s Eve. A pathetic 10,000 doses in the first batch which will mean 5,000 will be done.

Already behind other nations.

Our lot more interested in closing down barbers but keeping Penney’s open for some strange reason.

You're not following this well. 10,000 doses will mean 10,000 vaccinated from first batch.

Amirani

Dempo1 wrote: »

No messing around here, they've pretty much thought of every angle to avoid Traditional Christmas eve gatherings in pubs, Hotel bars, residents only. Odd decision re non essential retail, most closed after Christmas eve for a few days anyway.

I'll get hammered but what exactly has happened over the past two weeks???? Bedlam in shops, not terribly difficult to work out what's to blame.

Allowing non-essential retail to remain open would suggests they think it's restaurants/gastropubs and home visits that are driving everything. Otherwise retail would be closed too.

dalyboy

Amirani wrote: »

You're not following this well. 10,000 doses will mean 10,000 vaccinated from first batch.

If people need 2 shots to be properly vaccinated then 10000 doses will result in 5000 people being vaccinated. No ?

Ginger n Lemon

2020 in a nutshell

"As ministers prepare to announce fresh anti-virus restrictions for the hospitality sector, representatives of the industry say they will accept a longer and deeper shutdown to keep infection rates dampened if the Government significantly beefs up taxpayer compensation paid to operators.

Restaurateurs and publicans are bracing this week for an expected further shutdown of the hospitality sector, which public health officials blame in part for causing a recent spike in infection rates, although they have yet to produce statistical evidence to illustrate how hospitality affects the spread.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/bars-and-restaurants-will-accept-longer-shutdown-if-state-raises-compensation-1.4443234

PTH2009

Farce

ElJeffe

Joke really. They haven't gone far enough

Amirani

dalyboy wrote: »

If people need 2 shots to be properly vaccinated then 10000 doses will result in 5000 people being vaccinated. No ?

No. The first batch of 10,000 will be given to 10,000 people. That cohort will then get their second dose from a future delivery.

average_runner

Lundstram wrote: »

Portugal begin vaccinating on Sunday, Ireland will give its first on New Year’s Eve. A pathetic 10,000 doses in the first batch which will mean 5,000 will be done.

Already behind other nations.

Our lot more interested in closing down barbers but keeping Penney’s open for some strange reason.

Can you put up the link with 10,000. Be interesting to see how the number was arrived at. Is it to do with population?

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Peak hysteria on the restrictions thread.

Nah that’s misleading.

Many are only looking for common sense.

The hysteria is those who want it abdicated because of a Winter cold

stateofflux

dalyboy wrote: »

You said you didn’t read any articles RE people falling dead and there was little coverage at the time.
It was constantly being covered on ALL media at the time.
The very essence of scaremongering.

I agree with this, there is no question the govt were feeding the media soundbites to ensure compliance via fear (which mostly worked)...if you stopped a hundred people on the street most would not even know of the Epidemiology reports available on the hspc website.

FintanMcluskey

murpho999 wrote: »

He's the Chief Medical Officer. A man of science . Highly qualified and hold a position of authority

I'd value his opinion more on medical issues more than internet posters, anti-maskers etc.

Questioning is fine but he's lookng at this from a medical point of view and economic, social interactions and pubs are different issues.

“Hold a position of authority”

How does he hold that?

Amirani

average_runner wrote: »

Can you put up the link with 10,000. Be interesting to see how the number was arrived at. Is it to do with population?

We're getting a bit more than 1% of the first EU delivery, in-line with our population.

weldoninhio

Amirani wrote: »

You're not following this well. 10,000 doses will mean 10,000 vaccinated from first batch.

You need 2 jabs to be vaccinated, so we'll either have 5000 vaccinated or none.

Boggles

Lundstram wrote: »

Portugal begin vaccinating on Sunday, Ireland will give its first on New Year’s Eve. A pathetic 10,000 doses in the first batch which will mean 5,000 will be done.

Really, before it was approved?

Have you a link to that news article, would like to read it.

average_runner

Amirani wrote: »

We're getting a bit more than 1% of the first EU delivery, in-line with our population.

So that is fair enough way in doing it. EU controlling the supply?

PTH2009

Just dont know anymore

weldoninhio

Boggles wrote: »

Really, before it was approved?

Have you a link to that news article, would like to read it.

Was approved a few days ago. https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1221/1185803-vaccine-authorisation/

Amirani

weldoninhio wrote: »

You need 2 jabs to be vaccinated, so we'll either have 5000 vaccinated or none.

No, we'll have 10,000 vaccinated with a single dose.

Many vaccines require 2 doses. You've still be vaccinated if you've just had 1 dose, you just won't have the same level of protection; though indications are that you'd still have quite a good level of protection from 1 dose of BNT162b2.

Boggles

weldoninhio wrote: »

Was approved a few days ago. https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1221/1185803-vaccine-authorisation/

It was approved yesterday (Monday) according to that.

SouthWesterly

FlubberJones wrote: »

Assume the gyms will be closed yet again... FFS

Nope, hair dressers are deemed a bigger risk than a room full of sweaty heavy breathers.