Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

podgeandrodge

hotmail.com wrote: »

I presume all those wanting more restrictions will avoid pubs and restaurants and avoid unnecessary shopping despite today's announcement.

Arghus wrote: »

Well that's what I'll be doing anyway.

Yes, but let's remember that we aren't all as capable of your incredible capability for self restraint

Wolf359f

cameramonkey wrote: »

There is no evidence to say anyone is catching it in supermarkets. All the articles really does is give a list of places people visit by %, there is no correlation between that % to people catching covid.

I'd say supermarket workers would have a higher chance of infection than customers. They would be standing close to them and touching their items etc...
Except Aldi and Lidl, they are quick at the tills.

Arghus

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Yes, but let's remember that we aren't all as capable of your incredible capability for self restraint

It isn't that difficult.

podgeandrodge

Wolf359f wrote: »

I'd say supermarket workers would have a higher chance of infection than customers. They would be standing close to them and touching their items etc...
Except Aldi and Lidl, they are quick at the tills.

I'd agree. But during the height of the pandemic, all these supermarkets produced figures to the effect that they had sweet feck all staff infections.

And that was when nobody was wearing masks.

Wolf359f

podgeandrodge wrote: »

You seem caught up with alcohol. For some people, it's possible to have a meal in a pub with a few pints. No different than going for a meal in a restaurant and having a few pints. That's what happened during the summer when things opened back up, and when pubs abided by the rules (and restaurants) I'm not aware of serious issues arising.

It's a staged reopening. We wouldn't be having this conversation if wet pubs and restaurants were opening at the same time.
So now we need to separate between a wet pub and a restaurant. How can we do that? Please tell?

podgeandrodge

hotmail.com wrote: »

I presume all those wanting more restrictions will avoid pubs and restaurants and avoid unnecessary shopping despite today's announcement.

Arghus wrote: »

Well that's what I'll be doing anyway.

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Yes, but let's remember that we aren't all as capable of your incredible capability for self restraint

Arghus wrote: »

It isn't that difficult.

For you! I'm looking forward to pints next Friday.

Arghus

podgeandrodge wrote: »

For you! I'm looking forward to pints next Friday.

That's great news man, well done.

podgeandrodge

Wolf359f wrote: »

It's a staged reopening. We wouldn't be having this conversation if wet pubs and restaurants were opening at the same time.
So now we need to separate between a wet pub and a restaurant. How can we do that? Please tell?

I don't know why we need to separate between a wet pub and a restaurant. Food doesn't stop covid. Appropriate measures do. So the publicans should be mandated to restrict numbers in gatherings to ensure that some element of basic common sense prevails. Pizza from next door, or rack of lamb cooked onsite, or a packet of peanuts in a wet pub, are no different when it comes to the science. Only numbers gathering.

Wolf359f

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I'd agree. But during the height of the pandemic, all these supermarkets produced figures to the effect that they had sweet feck all staff infections.

And that was when nobody was wearing masks.

True, and this is from a report from the UK, who have said they have 1 in 85 infected nationally. That maybe the England Figure and not the UK.

The UK infection rate is higher than here, using the same analogy, 100% of all NZ cases reported this week, traveled on a plane a week before they tested positive.... so that can skew the figures a little.

Wolf359f

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I don't know why we need to separate between a wet pub and a restaurant. Food doesn't stop covid. Appropriate measures do. So the publicans should be mandated to restrict numbers in gatherings to ensure that some element of basic common sense prevails. Pizza from next door, or rack of lamb cooked onsite, or a packet of peanuts in a wet pub, are no different when it comes to the science. Only numbers gathering.

So a nightclub opening with a popcorn cart is ok in your eyes?
They serve food, they serve alcohol and they will be mandated to restrict numbers in gatherings.... yeah that will work.

A pub is not a fking resturant. They share 1 thing in common, they sell alcohol (most do). An off licence sells crisps and alcohol and they have remained open.
It's not the industry, it's the customers maybe

Ficheall

hotmail.com wrote: »

I presume all those wanting more restrictions will avoid pubs and restaurants and avoid unnecessary shopping despite today's announcement.

I wouldn't say I want more restrictions imposed, because I'm not sure the trade-off regarding people adhering to the safer measures vs. fatigued rebels would be worth it, but yes, I'll be avoiding pubs, restaurants and unnecessary shopping, as I've been doing since February.


There's a boithrin nearby with grass growing up the middle and an 80km speed limit - I never feel compelled to hit that target.


Edit: And I realise some people feel more compelled to socialise than I do, which is fair enough. I'm just erring on the side of caution.

bb1234567

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1332495702463819776

It's really just unbelieable isn't it? Sometimes I'm just stunned by the sheer scale of the deaths in the US

podgeandrodge

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1332495702463819776

It's really just unbelieable isn't it? Sometimes I'm just stunned by the sheer scale of the deaths in the US

About double us per capita? Not a good result alright. Are they measuring the same way?

bb1234567

podgeandrodge wrote: »

About double us per capita? Not a good result alright. Are they measuring the same way?

But in addition to that our excess deaths are half our confirmed deaths while Americas excess deaths are 50% higher than their confirmed deaths. USA excess deaths are probably in the region of 400,000 by now and with half of the US sticking their middle finger up to restrictions during winter holidays it's hard to see it improving for a long time

eagle eye

This is one of those times where I'm inclined to disagree with NPHET's modelling. You see they go strictly by the numbers, they don't try and predict the actions of people.
I can see places thronged next week sadly and a huge surge in two weeks times.
I hope I'm wrong but I'm getting used to things being much worse than I predict due to the large swathes of stupid people in this country.

mightyreds

eagle eye wrote: »

This is one of those times where I'm inclined to disagree with NPHET's modelling. You see they go strictly by the numbers, they don't try and predict the actions of people.
I can see places thronged next week sadly and a huge surge in two weeks times.
I hope I'm wrong but I'm getting used to things being much worse than I predict due to the large swathes of stupid people in this country.

Those stupid people have us at the second lowest incidence rate in Europe.

eagle eye

mightyreds wrote:

Those stupid people have us at the second lowest incidence rate in Europe.

We are there because of a lockdown. You could already see bunches of people out and about today after all the leaks to the media and it's not supposed to change until Tuesday.

Wolf359f

eagle eye wrote: »

We are there because of a lockdown. You could already see bunches of people out and about today after all the leaks to the media and it's not supposed to change until Tuesday.

And the rest of Europe have no, lock downs or restrictions?
If there was no leaks, do you think those very same people wouldn't have been out and about later after the announcement?
And what were these people doing out an about? visiting closed pubs and restaurants? Visiting closed non retail? Or just doing what they may have been doing all along, a simple leak won't change their attitude.

Atlantic Dawn

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1332495702463819776

It's really just unbelieable isn't it? Sometimes I'm just stunned by the sheer scale of the deaths in the US

The obesity levels in the country are off the scales, people going around on mobility scooters because they are lazy as fook and let themselves go to complete **** over a number of years.

Wolf359f

mightyreds wrote: »

Those stupid people have us at the second lowest incidence rate in Europe.

I feel ya, people wouldn't be happy unless we were last!
Granted, I'd have much preferred lower figures by now, especially since we had a substantial drop in cases earlier on. But I'm not stupid and retail needs to open, especially with the Christmas season. The public need it as much as the retailers.

Wolf359f

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1332495702463819776

It's really just unbelieable isn't it? Sometimes I'm just stunned by the sheer scale of the deaths in the US

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The obesity levels in the country are off the scales, people going around on mobility scooters because they are lazy as fook and let themselves go to complete **** over a number of years.

Don't get too blinded by the mobility scooters, 1 in 3 Americans are obese, 1 in 4 Irish are also. We're not that far behind. If their obesity levels are off the scales, I wonder where the 11 countries ahead of America are on the obesity scale?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_rate

mandrake04

spookwoman wrote: »

If you ever look at the Gov.ie reports it would not surprise to see how they could "lose" 4k+. F*ck they can hardly add 1+1 and get the correct answer some days.

Sure but you do realise that Hub is more for novelty indicative reasons it’s not the actual real data that epidemiologists and NPHET are looking up to make their decisions? Theres mistakes and then there are “mistakes” LOL

tigger123

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1332495702463819776

It's really just unbelieable isn't it? Sometimes I'm just stunned by the sheer scale of the deaths in the US

I read somewhere that it is estimated that 50 million people will be travelling around the country during Thanksgiving. Going to have a serious impact on their case numbers.

Neamhshuntasach

eagle eye wrote: »

We are there because of a lockdown. You could already see bunches of people out and about today after all the leaks to the media and it's not supposed to change until Tuesday.

Not sure how you could pick up on any difference between yesterday and the previous Friday. Traffic and volume of people out and about wise, I'd have never thought there was a "lockdown".

zerosugarbuzz

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I'd agree. But during the height of the pandemic, all these supermarkets produced figures to the effect that they had sweet feck all staff infections.

And that was when nobody was wearing masks.

And that is exactly when government should have realised that Covid is not the deadly disease it was made out to be (for most people) and acted accordingly.

zerosugarbuzz

eagle eye wrote: »

This is one of those times where I'm inclined to disagree with NPHET's modelling. You see they go strictly by the numbers, they don't try and predict the actions of people.
I can see places thronged next week sadly and a huge surge in two weeks times.
I hope I'm wrong but I'm getting used to things being much worse than I predict due to the large swathes of stupid people in this country.

Absolutely nothing so far has been much worse than you predicted ��

beggars_bush

Will it be madness on Tuesday and for the week?
I want to shop local but don't want to be near crowds

I hope they step up garda checkpoints to stop people traveling to shop

zerosugarbuzz

beggars_bush wrote: »

Will it be madness on Tuesday and for the week?
I want to shop local but don't want to be near crowds

I hope they step up garda checkpoints to stop people traveling to shop

You’re right. They should have never closed retail in the first place.

Zebra3

eagle eye wrote: »

We are there because of a lockdown. You could already see bunches of people out and about today after all the leaks to the media and it's not supposed to change until Tuesday.

Why wouldn't people be out and about?

I was out yesterday.

I went to and from work. To and from the supermarket.

I went out for a jog.

You seem to be stuck in some time warp.

March is gone, let it go.

coastwatch

Some good news.
Sage ( UK's Nphet) are recommending people should avoid playing board games over christmas.
Nphet wont want to be out done by Sage, so we'll have a ban on board games, cards and charades.
Fine with me.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55107473