Cheltenham 2021 Antepost

IAMAMORON

Pogue eile wrote: »

Ok, so you are not trolling, I possibly gave you too much credit.

You are however talking through your hat! Sometimes it is ok to agree with the consensus, you don't always have to be the cool kid who can see something that everyone else cant see!

Mentioning Arkle, Denman, Don Cossack and Best Mate when trying to big up the RSA as a more worthy race that the March/JLT is one of your finer moments though :D

As it stands he has taken the following names ...

Assemble ( who?)
January Jets ( is that a Caribbean airline ? )
Easywork
Elixirr D'ainay
AbaCadabras ( by a length )
Front View
Blue Sari
I am not arsed naming others atm.

1/2 my eye.

Everyone of ye need your heads examined, the winter is only starting.

RivetingRoger

aidankkk wrote: »

Some lads have short memories, he'll be available at bigger than evens on the day. Save your money until then, his chance of not getting there is far more significant that the difference between the price he is now and the price he will be in march.

No way Aidan. Not a hope in hell that horse goes off odds against of he gets there
Absolutely nailed on to be 8/11 or so
Absolute banker of the week

Coneygree

Pogue eile wrote: »

Ngolo wasn't suited by the pace or the small field, will be much more suited to a big field and an end to end gallop.

Mullins. I am told, has at least three novices that are held in higher regard for the Supreme that Ngolo which is very worrying for anyone that has taken the 6/1 on Ballyadam.

Ferny, Appreciate It and Shewearsitwell? Sure at least two of them won't end up in the Supreme.

Slattsy

Pogue eile wrote: »

Ngolo wasn't suited by the pace or the small field, will be much more suited to a big field and an end to end gallop.

Mullins. I am told, has at least three novices that are held in higher regard for the Supreme that Ngolo which is very worrying for anyone that has taken the 6/1 on Ballyadam.

I have Ballyadam for both races, but i do hope he goes Ballymore. Always said he looks like a stayer. Cant see them running Ferny Hollow in both races, but who knows.

Coneygree

Slattsy wrote: »

I have Ballyadam for both races, but i do hope he goes Ballymore. Always said he looks like a stayer. Cant see them running Ferny Hollow in both races, but who knows.

Gordon said Supreme definitely yesterday in an interview after the race. I backed him for the Ballymore yesterday as a cover just in case but I'm all in for the Supreme.

Pogue eile

IAMAMORON wrote: »

As it stands he has taken the following names ...

Assemble ( who?)
January Jets ( is that a Caribbean airline ? )
Easywork
Elixirr D'ainay
AbaCadabras ( by a length )
Front View
Blue Sari
I am not arsed naming others atm.

1/2 my eye.

Everyone of ye need your heads examined, the winter is only starting.

10 from 10, 5 Grade ones and two festival wins at 6 years old.

Go one so tell us all what horse is out there that is going to prevent the horse going off odds on in March?

RivetingRoger

There is a very real possibility of a chevely 5 timer at the festival!!!

IAMAMORON

RivetingRoger wrote: »

There is a very real possibility of a chevely 5 timer at the festival!!!

That sounds like a bet in fairness, Even do trebles, quads and the 5 timer.

That would be a nice enjoyable bet to have on.

Pogue eile

Coneygree wrote: »

Ferny, Appreciate It and Shewearsitwell? Sure at least two of them won't end up in the Supreme.

I assume its those, was simply told after yesterday's race that they were delighted with yesterday as Ngolo was considered their fourth string at best for the Supreme.

Coneygree

Pogue eile wrote: »

I assume its those, was simply told after yesterday's race that they were delighted with yesterday as Ngolo was considered their fourth string at best for the Supreme.

I really wish he'd have ran SWIW yesterday. If she lost then all well and good, go to the Mares Novice but if she won then jesus you're a right yoke for the Supreme.

Pogue eile

Coneygree wrote: »

I really wish he'd have ran SWIW yesterday. If she lost then all well and good, go to the Mares Novice but if she won then jesus you're a right yoke for the Supreme.

Yeah, she picked up what is hoped to be a very minor injury in her prep run in the curragh. She is entered in the Grade one in Leopardstown over Christmas so hopefully she is back in rude health for that.

IAMAMORON

Pogue eile wrote: »

10 from 10, 5 Grade ones and two festival wins at 6 years old.

Go one so tell us all what horse is out there that is going to prevent the horse going off odds on in March?

I never said he was a bad horse, in fairness.

But he is starting to get overhyped and I am genuine about dissing the Marsh Chase, who the phuck wins that anyway?

You need to strike when the iron is hot, if he is all that he should be getting aimed at the best races.

Just saying.

There are lots of good horses out there that can beat other good horses, this is racing, there are no sure things, believe.

Pogue eile

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I never said he was a bad horse, in fairness.

But he is starting to get overhyped and I am genuine about dissing the Marsh Chase, who the phuck wins that anyway?

You need to strike when the iron is hot, if he is all that he should be getting aimed at the best races.

Just saying.

There are lots of good horses out there that can beat other good horses, this is racing, there are no sure things, believe.

Of course he is not a sure thing, if he was he would be 1/10.

Who wants to win the Marsh? Loads of people, exactly as many as want to win the RSA I would say. The Marsh is only 10 years old, the most impressive winner of either race in that time was unquestionably Vatour.

100% if I had a Gold Cup horse with the gears that this lad has I would be running him in the Marsh this year, you called it a cowardly route which is silly in the extreme, any other route would be foolhardy.

Bumper- Ballymore - Marsh - Gold Cup its a pretty standard template for a horse with his credentials.

Plasandrunt

Hearing that Micro Manage is Willie's main Supreme hopeful, waiting to see him entered before I back him.

zpehtsfd

Coneygree wrote: »

Gordon said Supreme definitely yesterday in an interview after the race. I backed him for the Ballymore yesterday as a cover just in case but I'm all in for the Supreme.

When did he say this? I was watching the RTE coverage and the interviewer mentioned the Supreme but GE made no remark and went on to mention his next run over 2m at Christmas.

Pogue eile

Plasandrunt wrote: »

Hearing that Micro Manage is Willie's main Supreme hopeful, waiting to see him entered before I back him.

Will certainly be one of interest, considering his last win on the flat and at the time Mullins said that he had schooled over hurldes and was a sound jumper.

That was nearly two years ago though, was there a problem?

Plasandrunt

zpehtsfd wrote: »

When did he say this? I was watching the RTE coverage and the interviewer mentioned the Supreme but GE made no remark and went on to mention his next run over 2m at Christmas.

https://www.racingtv.com/videos/watch/ondemand/98076

1.40 on

IAMAMORON

Pogue eile wrote: »

Of course he is not a sure thing, if he was he would be 1/10.

Who wants to win the Marsh? Loads of people, exactly as many as want to win the RSA I would say. The Marsh is only 10 years old, the most impressive winner of either race in that time was unquestionably Vatour.

100% if I had a Gold Cup horse with the gears that this lad has I would be running him in the Marsh this year, you called it a cowardly route which is silly in the extreme, any other route would be foolhardy.

Bumper- Ballymore - Marsh - Gold Cup its a pretty standard template for a horse with his credentials.

As i said the Marsh Chase roll of honour is there for all to see.

Mickey Mouse Plate race, I said it first.

Not many bumper winners turn out to be much either it needs to be said.

What has he beaten?

Plasandrunt

Pogue eile wrote: »

Will certainly be one of interest, considering his last win on the flat and at the time Mullins said that he had schooled over hurldes and was a sound jumper.

That was nearly two years ago though, was there a problem?

I think it was a case of he was only a 2 year old and they wanted to get some experience into him.

Pogue eile

IAMAMORON wrote: »

As i said the Marsh Chase roll of honour is there for all to see.

Mickey Mouse Plate race, I said it first.

Not many bumper winners turn out to be much either it needs to be said.

What has he beaten?

Every single horse that has been put in front of him.

Let me turn the question around, I already have but you have ignored it, what beats it??

Anniepowaa

envoi allen is unbeatable and ballyadam wont win at cheltenham

akelly02

Anniepowaa wrote: »

envoi allen is unbeatable and ballyadam wont win at cheltenham

so nothing can beat envoi allen for ever and ever ?

Anniepowaa

akelly02 wrote: »

so nothing can beat envoi allen for ever and ever ?

nothing will touch him for 3 years minimum as long as he stays fit

akelly02

Anniepowaa wrote: »

nothing will touch him for 3 years minimum as long as he stays fit

thanks .

your a hero for giving us that insight

IAMAMORON

Pogue eile wrote: »

Every single horse that has been put in front of him.

Let me turn the question around, I already have but you have ignored it, what beats it??

Over 3 miles -

Next Destination, Monkfish, Energume ( hopefully goes to the Marsh to prove my point ) , The Big Getaway, Pencilfullofled .. the list could go on. In fairness the fact that connections are avoiding this troop " because it is a hard race " really speaks volumes.

In the Marsh he could face Andy Dufresne, Sporting John , Asterion Forlonge - it is no cakewalk in fairness. As I said I would like to see Energume here either.

He wouldn't have the pace for Shiskin, Unexcepted or Mt Lenister in the Arkle.

There are lots of horses who he hasn''t raced against yet. Which is the heart of the argument.

Pogue eile

Thank you Sir, you have certainly brightened up my Monday morning :D

IAMAMORON

Pogue eile wrote: »

Thank you Sir, you have certainly brightened up my Monday morning :D

I am telling you , he is overhyped and the fact that they won't go RSA is glaring.

Who did he even beat yesterday?

Weakest renewal in years.

Coneygree

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Over 3 miles -

Next Destination, Monkfish, Energume ( hopefully goes to the Marsh to prove my point ) , The Big Getaway, Pencilfullofled .. the list could go on. In fairness the fact that connections are avoiding this troop " because it is a hard race " really speaks volumes.

In the Marsh he could face Andy Dufresne, Sporting John , Asterion Forlonge - it is no cakewalk in fairness. As I said I would like to see Energume here either.

He wouldn't have the pace for Shiskin, Unexcepted or Mt Lenister in the Arkle.

There are lots of horses who he hasn''t raced against yet. Which is the heart of the argument.

Can't agree with most of this but with you 100% on hoping Energumene goes for the Marsh. I really like the horse and I'd be gutted if he goes to the Arkle or even skips the festival. Heard Paul Townend is very sweet on him.

Pogue eile

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I am telling you , he is overhyped and the fact that they won't go RSA is glaring.

Who did he even beat yesterday?

Weakest renewal in years.

Where in the name of christ are you getting this muck about the RSA from? You do know that they are both Grade Ones, worth pretty much the same money and wait for it here is the important bit.... run over different distances!

And just as it was with Epatante, what was beaten is largely irrelevant, it is the manner of the victory and the ease of victory and the turn of foot when the button is pressed that is impressive. Sometimes you simply have to trust your eyes.

IAMAMORON

The Marsh Plate is a glorified plate, it is not a cup race.

Connections are chickening out, the RSA is the one to win.