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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    the response to their truth matters campaign has actually been overwhelmingly favourable from everything i have saw.
    sure, the few usual types have gone on their instant rager but very few listen to them anyway.

    Ok, look. I've seen you post quite a bit on boards, and I've noticed people generally don't agree with you. That's fine; you're entitled to your own opinion, and I've never seen you be disrespectful to anyone whilst posting. That said, below are the first two pages of replies to the advert in question (ie top ranked) from a week or so ago, after it went up on Facebook. RTE have also removed all comments and likes/dislikes from the ads on Youtube, due to the same negative reaction. Claiming "the response to the campaign has actually been overwhelmingly favourable" proves that you are either trying to lie to others, or more likely, lying to yourself.

    There's enough fake and agenda driven news out there already. You'll never get the truth if you're in denial to begin with.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Ok, look. I've seen you post quite a bit on boards, and I've noticed people generally don't agree with you. That's fine; you're entitled to your own opinion, and I've never seen you be disrespectful to anyone whilst posting. That said, below are the first two pages of replies to the advert in question (ie top ranked) from a week or so ago, after it went up on Facebook. RTE have also removed all comments and likes/dislikes from the ads on Youtube, due to the same negative reaction. Claiming "the response to the campaign has actually been overwhelmingly favourable" proves that you are either trying to lie to others, or more likely, lying to yourself.

    There's enough fake and agenda driven news out there already. You'll never get the truth if you're in denial to begin with.



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    in fairness youtube comments sections and facebook are a magnet for people looking to be outraged and offended over anything, or to go on a windup etc.
    i generally wouldn't use either to judge the quality of anything.
    believe me i know fake news and lies when they come across my path and while absolutely rte has faults in terms of a lot of the programs they provide, mainly the ones considered as "entertainment" their news and current affairs coverage is reliable as is the bbc and a few other main stream sources.

    shut down alcohol action ireland now! end MUP today!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    in fairness youtube comments sections and facebook are a magnet for people looking to be outraged and offended over anything, or to go on a windup etc.
    i generally wouldn't use either to judge the quality of anything.
    believe me i know fake news and lies when they come across my path and while absolutely rte has faults in terms of a lot of the programs they provide, mainly the ones considered as "entertainment" their news and current affairs coverage is reliable as is the bbc and a few other main stream sources.

    Unfortunately they are not. I think you are falling into the trap of considering them to be good sources based on the truly awful sources that are out there. One has to do quite a bit of searching and cross-referencing to arrive at what one hopes is the unvarnished truth to any story in any media. As I said earlier, it's all a mess.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,839 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Yesterday's announcement gave no clear idea of how the government intends to achieve this, and gave me the impression the 'plan' is to open everything up and let the virus run rampant over Christmas, inevitably necessitating another lockdown early in the New Year.

    And Martin has tacitly conceded this:
    Taoiseach Micheál Martin has predicted there may be a period where Ireland continues to go from higher to lower restriction levels and back again if coronavirus continues to spread.
    :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    polesheep wrote: »
    Unfortunately they are not. I think you are falling into the trap of considering them to be good sources based on the truly awful sources that are out there. One has to do quite a bit of searching and cross-referencing to arrive at what one hopes is the unvarnished truth to any story in any media. As I said earlier, it's all a mess.




    they are very reliable and good sources.
    i do lots of cross referencing and research on topics and the bbc and rte are generally backed up when the research is done.

    shut down alcohol action ireland now! end MUP today!



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    in fairness youtube comments sections and facebook are a magnet for people looking to be outraged and offended over anything, or to go on a windup etc.
    i generally wouldn't use either to judge the quality of anything.

    Facebook and Youtube are two of the biggest platforms on the internet for people to voice their opinions. Even then, undesired comments are often censored. I don't know where else you're seeing these "highly favourable responses" you mentioned.
    believe me i know fake news and lies when they come across my path and while absolutely rte has faults in terms of a lot of the programs they provide, mainly the ones considered as "entertainment" their news and current affairs coverage is reliable as is the bbc and a few other main stream sources.

    RTE is funded by the Irish government (via the taxpayer, whether we like it or not). The BBC is also funded in the same way, along with donations from the likes of the UN, Gates Foundation, and European Commission. As long as you understand, the news you're receiving comes through the filter of these governments and their funders. You cannot consider that completely objective or reliable. As I said before, just don't bulls**t yourself.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    so what is the alternative to lockdowns? i'm genuinely all ears. as i'm sure politicians and NPHET would be too.

    there's one caveat - you can't collapse the health system. which will lead to many more deaths from lack of healthcare on top of the COVID deaths. this is simply not an option.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,880 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    froog wrote: »
    so what is the alternative to lockdowns? i'm genuinely all ears. as i'm sure politicians and NPHET would be too.

    there's one caveat - you can't collapse the health system. which will lead to many more deaths from lack of healthcare on top of the COVID deaths. this is simply not an option.

    Thanks, thats good to know :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 612 ✭✭✭mikekerry


    froog wrote: »
    so what is the alternative to lockdowns? i'm genuinely all ears. as i'm sure politicians and NPHET would be too.

    there's one caveat - you can't collapse the health system. which will lead to many more deaths from lack of healthcare on top of the COVID deaths. this is simply not an option.
    Collapsing the economy is, also not a good idea.
    No economy = no health system.
    There are plenty of alternatives to lockdowns it just requires a bit of planning and intelligence.
    Neither of those attributes are in supply with this goverment


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    froog wrote: »
    so what is the alternative to lockdowns? i'm genuinely all ears. as i'm sure politicians and NPHET would be too.

    there's one caveat - you can't collapse the health system. which will lead to many more deaths from lack of healthcare on top of the COVID deaths. this is simply not an option.

    Mass antigen testing

    Close border and inbound travel to residents only

    Test the whole country every 2 weeks and put infected in regional hotels forcefully, guarded by army or garda outside, no asking people to quarantine crap

    Everyone has a PPS number, money taken out of payslips our social welfare etc if no show at drive-tru testing.

    China style

    Only way


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    mikekerry wrote: »
    Collapsing the economy is, also not a good idea.
    No economy = no health system.
    There are plenty of alternatives to lockdowns it just requires a bit of planning and intelligence.
    Neither of those attributes are in supply with this goverment

    like what?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    RTE is funded by the Irish government (via the taxpayer, whether we like it or not). The BBC is also funded in the same way, along with donations from the likes of the UN, Gates Foundation, and European Commission. As long as you understand, the news you're receiving comes through the filter of these governments and their funders. You cannot consider that completely objective or reliable. As I said before, just don't bulls**t yourself.

    Just in case people think the above is Alt right nonsense you can see the breakdown of funding here ;)

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/about/funding


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Mass antigen testing

    Close border and inbound travel to residents only

    Test the whole country every 2 weeks and put infected in regional hotels forcefully, guarded by army or garda outside, no asking people to quarantine crap

    Everyone has a PPS number, money taken out of payslips our social welfare etc if no show at drive-tru testing.

    China style

    Only way

    only works for a totalitarian regime and terrified/compliant population.

    next!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    froog wrote: »
    only works for a totalitarian regime and terrified/compliant population.

    next!

    Slovakia are a totalitarian?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/pledgetimes.com/slovakia-will-test-the-entire-population-in-two-days/amp/

    They are going to test whole population in 2 days

    8000 army troops on the ground


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Slovakia are a totalitarian?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/pledgetimes.com/slovakia-will-test-the-entire-population-in-two-days/amp/

    They are going to test whole population in 2 days

    8000 army troops on the ground

    and what then? hope to fcuk you don't get a second outbreak and have to do the entire thing again at massive cost and risk mass rioting?

    it's dumb.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Test the whole country every 2 weeks and put infected in regional hotels forcefully, guarded by army or garda outside, no asking people to quarantine crap
    €98 per test multiplied by population of about 5 million multiplied by....


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    froog wrote: »
    so what is the alternative to lockdowns? i'm genuinely all ears. as i'm sure politicians and NPHET would be too.

    there's one caveat - you can't collapse the health system. which will lead to many more deaths from lack of healthcare on top of the COVID deaths. this is simply not an option.

    A few off the top of my head:

    - Cocoon elderly and medically vulnerable as best as possible until a vaccine arrives for them.

    - Immediately start putting more money into increasing ICU capacity. This should of been a priority during the first wave.

    - Stop media scaremongering in relation to "case number" headlines. More focus on the numbers that actually matter: hospitalisations, ICU, and deaths.

    - Start openly discussing treatments being tried/proving successful. More information on things like vitamins etc that boost the immune system and help if one is to become infected. For example, something simple like Vitamin D deficieny has been noted in many of the more serious cases. Discuss this through the media. Everything is very hush-hush as to how people are actually being treated. It's all just "we need a vaccine".

    - The rest of the workforce and those not medically at risk from Covid need to get on with things in as sensible fashion as possible. Maintain good hygiene, social distancing, mask wearing etc. We can't "burn down the village to save it". We'll lose more people from that than Covid.

    - Maintain similar restrictions to level 2-3 or so in regards to workplaces, transport, cafes, restaurants, sporting events etc. Still allows a level of living whilst moving forward cautiously.

    - Fines for any people throwing big house parties etc, along with those who attend. As skeptical as I am towards these yo-yo lockdowns, increased restrictions/surveillance, and where it may all lead in future etc etc, big house parties and the like are just irresponsible at this stage.

    - Stop restricting vital health services, screenings, operations etc. Trying to prevent Covid deaths by delaying cancer services, heart operations etc makes no sense. These diseases are more deadly, and will kill more people than Covid ever will.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Facebook and Youtube are two of the biggest platforms on the internet for people to voice their opinions. Even then, undesired comments are often censored. I don't know where else you're seeing these "highly favourable responses" you mentioned.



    RTE is funded by the Irish government (via the taxpayer, whether we like it or not). The BBC is also funded in the same way, along with donations from the likes of the UN, Gates Foundation, and European Commission. As long as you understand, the news you're receiving comes through the filter of these governments and their funders. You cannot consider that completely objective or reliable. As I said before, just don't bulls**t yourself.


    they are absolutely objective, as i said i check a number of different sources for my news and all of them, from lbc to ITV generally provide the same information, which shows that absolutely the likes of rte and bbc are objective.
    they also have to be by law and the guidelines that they work under.
    mikekerry wrote: »
    Collapsing the economy is, also not a good idea.
    No economy = no health system.
    There are plenty of alternatives to lockdowns it just requires a bit of planning and intelligence.
    Neither of those attributes are in supply with this goverment


    collapsing a small, luxury part of it to save the majority of it is a necessary idea however unfortunately given the circumstances.
    the reality is that quite likely if we did throw open the doors we would lose the lot, health system, economy etc.
    if there were plenty of alternatives to lock downs then most countries would have tried at least 1 of them.

    shut down alcohol action ireland now! end MUP today!



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    A few off the top of my head:

    - Cocoon elderly and medically vulnerable as best as possible until a vaccine arrives for them.
    And their mental health for this 6-12 month plan?
    - Immediately start putting more money into increasing ICU capacity. This should of been a priority during the first wave.

    Not a money issue now, a staffing issue.
    - Start openly discussing treatments being tried/proving successful. More information on things like vitamins etc that boost the immune system and help if one is to become infected. For example, something simple like Vitamin D deficieny has been noted in many of the more serious cases. Discuss this through the media. Everything is very hush-hush as to how people are actually being treated. It's all just "we need a vaccine".

    Risk of people going down the self-medicating route and quackery. Already a programme for Vitamin D supplement in kids in winter.
    - Maintain similar restrictions to level 2-3 or so in regards to workplaces, transport, cafes, restaurants, sporting events etc. Still allows a level of living whilst moving forward cautiously.
    What does moving forward cautiously look like, metrics etc?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    A few off the top of my head:

    - Cocoon elderly and medically vulnerable as best as possible until a vaccine arrives for them.

    - Immediately start putting more money into increasing ICU capacity. This should of been a priority during the first wave.

    - Stop media scaremongering in relation to "case number" headlines. More focus on the numbers that actually matter: hospitalisations, ICU, and deaths.

    - Start openly discussing treatments being tried/proving successful. More information on things like vitamins etc that boost the immune system and help if one is to become infected. For example, something simple like Vitamin D deficieny has been noted in many of the more serious cases. Discuss this through the media. Everything is very hush-hush as to how people are actually being treated. It's all just "we need a vaccine".

    - The rest of the workforce and those not medically at risk from Covid need to get on with things in as sensible fashion as possible. Maintain good hygiene, social distancing, mask wearing etc. We can't "burn down the village to save it". We'll lose more people from that than Covid.

    - Maintain similar restrictions to level 2-3 or so in regards to workplaces, transport, cafes, restaurants, sporting events etc. Still allows a level of living whilst moving forward cautiously.

    - Fines for any people throwing big house parties etc, along with those who attend. As skeptical as I am towards these yo-yo lockdowns, increased restrictions/surveillance, and where it may all lead in future etc etc, big house parties and the like are just irresponsible at this stage.

    - Stop restricting vital health services, screenings, operations etc. Trying to prevent Covid deaths by delaying cancer services, heart operations etc makes no sense. These diseases are more deadly, and will kill more people than Covid ever will.

    so level 2 with cocooning basically? not going to work. uncontrolled spread will reach the 100s of thousands of at risk people.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    they are absolutely objective, as i said i check a number of different sources for my news and all of them, from lbc to ITV generally provide the same information, which shows that absolutely the likes of rte and bbc are objective.
    they also have to be by law and the guidelines that they work under.

    Why do you think CNN is completely anti-Trump, whereas Fox and the like are usually pro-Trump? Because they're funded by different corporations and different sides of the political spectrum.

    I'll give you an example of RTE concealing/editing key information, and not being fully transparent. Lisa Smith, who went off to join ISIS and establish the caliphate, was interviewed afterwards about going over there. RTE ran that interview. On RTE, the end of the interview went:

    Q: "Do you regret it?"
    A: "I do regret it..."
    CUT. END INTERVIEW.

    How the interview actually ended:

    Q: "Do you regret it?"
    A: "I do regret it... because we didn't succeed".
    END INTERVIEW.


    Cutting out that line completely changes the end of the interview and viewer perception. That is not objective or honest news. If you still can't understand this, I can't help you anymore.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    A few off the top of my head:

    - Cocoon elderly and medically vulnerable as best as possible until a vaccine arrives for them.

    - Immediately start putting more money into increasing ICU capacity. This should of been a priority during the first wave.

    - Stop media scaremongering in relation to "case number" headlines. More focus on the numbers that actually matter: hospitalisations, ICU, and deaths.

    - Start openly discussing treatments being tried/proving successful. More information on things like vitamins etc that boost the immune system and help if one is to become infected. For example, something simple like Vitamin D deficieny has been noted in many of the more serious cases. Discuss this through the media. Everything is very hush-hush as to how people are actually being treated. It's all just "we need a vaccine".

    - The rest of the workforce and those not medically at risk from Covid need to get on with things in as sensible fashion as possible. Maintain good hygiene, social distancing, mask wearing etc. We can't "burn down the village to save it". We'll lose more people from that than Covid.

    - Maintain similar restrictions to level 2-3 or so in regards to workplaces, transport, cafes, restaurants, sporting events etc. Still allows a level of living whilst moving forward cautiously.

    - Fines for any people throwing big house parties etc, along with those who attend. As skeptical as I am towards these yo-yo lockdowns, increased restrictions/surveillance, and where it may all lead in future etc etc, big house parties and the like are just irresponsible at this stage.

    - Stop restricting vital health services, screenings, operations etc. Trying to prevent Covid deaths by delaying cancer services, heart operations etc makes no sense. These diseases are more deadly, and will kill more people than Covid ever will.

    point 1 is already effectively the case but is advisery, which is all that can be done. it is only effective with virus suppression which we are engaging in.
    point 2 i agree with but still requires virus suppression.
    there is no media scaremongering, it's a myth perpetuated by those who have a problem with the reporting of facts. facts should always be reported, all numbers matter and many of us want such information to be provided. those who don't want that information can ignore it.
    we are already discussing treatments openly where they have been absolutely proven, 100%, factually to work. we are not going to discuss bogy treatments that have proven to be in no way effective as is absolutely correct, just and right.
    point 5 is already happening as much as is practical to do so given the circumstances. yes there will be some out of work but the unfortunate reality of a virus like this is that some businesses are having to be restricted as they require large numbers of mixing, or there just isn't demand for some services. ultimately we are burning a small part of the village to save the majority.
    we will go back to level 3 in a few weeks, you can blame the small minority who rail against everything for us being in level 5.
    fines for breaches i agree with, they should have come in at least once lock down finished.
    i believe we have stopped restricting vital health services but there is a back log now because of the original restriction, which i personally disagreed with.

    shut down alcohol action ireland now! end MUP today!



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Why do you think CNN is completely anti-Trump, whereas Fox and the like are usually pro-Trump? Because they're funded by different corporations and different sides of the political spectrum.

    I'll give you an example of RTE concealing/editing key information, and not being fully transparent. Lisa Smith, who went off to join ISIS and establish the caliphate, was interviewed afterwards about going over there. RTE ran that interview. On RTE, the end of the interview went:

    Q: "Do you regret it?"
    A: "I do regret it..."
    CUT. END INTERVIEW.

    How the interview actually ended:

    Q: "Do you regret it?"
    A: "I do regret it... because we didn't succeed".
    END INTERVIEW.


    Cutting out that line completely changes the end of the interview and viewer perception. That is not objective or honest news. If you still can't understand this, I can't help you anymore.




    america is a very different beast, their media landscape is very very different to anything we could ever have.

    shut down alcohol action ireland now! end MUP today!



  • Registered Users Posts: 612 ✭✭✭mikekerry


    A few off the top of my head:

    - Cocoon elderly and medically vulnerable as best as possible until a vaccine arrives for them.

    - Immediately start putting more money into increasing ICU capacity. This should of been a priority during the first wave.

    - Stop media scaremongering in relation to "case number" headlines. More focus on the numbers that actually matter: hospitalisations, ICU, and deaths.

    - Start openly discussing treatments being tried/proving successful. More information on things like vitamins etc that boost the immune system and help if one is to become infected. For example, something simple like Vitamin D deficieny has been noted in many of the more serious cases. Discuss this through the media. Everything is very hush-hush as to how people are actually being treated. It's all just "we need a vaccine".

    - The rest of the workforce and those not medically at risk from Covid need to get on with things in as sensible fashion as possible. Maintain good hygiene, social distancing, mask wearing etc. We can't "burn down the village to save it". We'll lose more people from that than Covid.

    - Maintain similar restrictions to level 2-3 or so in regards to workplaces, transport, cafes, restaurants, sporting events etc. Still allows a level of living whilst moving forward cautiously.

    - Fines for any people throwing big house parties etc, along with those who attend. As skeptical as I am towards these yo-yo lockdowns, increased restrictions/surveillance, and where it may all lead in future etc etc, big house parties and the like are just irresponsible at this stage.

    - Stop restricting vital health services, screenings, operations etc. Trying to prevent Covid deaths by delaying cancer services, heart operations etc makes no sense. These diseases are more deadly, and will kill more people than Covid ever will.

    Great Post.
    Just one other thing to add stop falsifying case numbers by putting people down who dont rturn up for a test as positive. Put fines in place for no shows.
    Stop with all this case nonsense all over the media


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    I'll give you an example of RTE concealing/editing key information, and not being fully transparent. Lisa Smith, who went off to join ISIS and establish the caliphate, was interviewed afterwards about going over there. RTE ran that interview. On RTE, the end of the interview went:

    Q: "Do you regret it?"
    A: "I do regret it..."
    CUT. END INTERVIEW.

    How the interview actually ended:

    Q: "Do you regret it?"
    A: "I do regret it... because we didn't succeed".
    END INTERVIEW.


    Cutting out that line completely changes the end of the interview and viewer perception. That is not objective or honest news. If you still can't understand this, I can't help you anymore.
    Astounding dishonesty and bias once again shown by RTE; our State Broadcaster. They are really not fit for purpose; especially with their hysteria and skewed reporting during Covid. This is the time when the country needs an impartial depiction/reporting of the situation in Ireland, but it will not be conveyed to us by RTE.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    is_that_so wrote: »
    And their mental health for this 6-12 month plan?

    Support as best as possible through social distanced visits, designated times for shopping, recreational activities etc.
    Objectively speaking, does it really make a massive difference to how they're currently living, considering we're going to be in and out of level 5 lockdowns now until a vaccine arrives? Kneecapping the economy will affect them and everybody else even more. As someone else pointed out, no economy = no health service.
    is_that_so wrote: »
    Risk of people going down the self-medicating route and quackery. Already a programme for Vitamin D supplement in kids in winter.

    This does not equal a specific nationwide Covid Ad campaign for everybody to up their Vitamin D and other supplement intake to boost immune systems. I personally haven't heard or seen a single thing re: this from the government.
    https://www.endocrinologynetwork.com/view/irish-doctors-call-changes-government-vitamin-d-recommendations


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Did someone really just refer to the loss over over 200k jobs this week as the loss of a ‘very small, luxury part of the economy’ or are my eyes deceiving me.
    There is nothing small about shutting down retail, hotels, pubs, restaurants, gyms, beauticians, and hairdressers/barbers, among so many other smaller businesses and industries.
    They are essential services to those who are employed in them and their clients.

    The last time we had level 5 restrictions we had over 1.2 million people relying on financial support from the state, that is not a small amount of people and they should not be written off as collateral damage in this suicide mission the government are hell bent on sending us on.
    It’s such an insensitive thing to say.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    mikekerry wrote: »
    Great Post.
    Just one other thing to add stop falsifying case numbers by putting people down who dont rturn up for a test as positive.

    If that is true, it's absolutely scandalous. Similar to Doctors in the States admitting to incentives for putting down deaths as "Covid", whether it was the primary cause of death or not.

    Indicates they want higher numbers on record. For what?


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Did someone really just refer to the loss over over 200k jobs this week as the loss of a ‘very small, luxury part of the economy’ or are my eyes deceiving me.
    There is nothing small about shutting down retail, hotels, pubs, restaurants, gyms, beauticians, and hairdressers/barbers, among so many other smaller businesses and industries.
    They are essential services to those who are employed in them and their clients.

    The last time we had level 5 restrictions we had over 1.2 million people relying on financial support from the state, that is not a small amount of people and they should not be written off as collateral damage in this suicide mission the government are hell bent on sending us on.
    It’s such an insensitive thing to say.




    i thought you put me on ignore? so why are you responding to my points now?
    anyway, i'm afraid they are very much luxury services in the great scheme of things and if it is a choice between restricting them temporarily and losing much bigger, essential services then pubs jymns etc being restricted is the least worst option as such sectors will eventually recover.
    there was no economic damage free covid 19, i wish there was but there isn't and priorities have to be made as we can't save every job even if we threw open the doors.

    shut down alcohol action ireland now! end MUP today!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 612 ✭✭✭mikekerry


    i thought you put me on ignore? so why are you responding to my points now?
    anyway, i'm afraid they are very much luxury services in the great scheme of things and if it is a choice between restricting them temporarily and losing much bigger, essential services then pubs jymns etc being restricted is the least worst option as such sectors will eventually recover.
    there was no economic damage free covid 19, i wish there was but there isn't and priorities have to be made as we can't save every job even if we threw open the doors.

    Luxury services. What!
    Thee is no need of any of these 'luxury services' being closed if the country was managed properly.
    Plenty of other countries have kept pubs, restaurants open.
    Just requires a little intelligence and good governance


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