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FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

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    #2282
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Free speech only for those you agree with?

    A public representative is paid to represent the public interest. Tough concept for a FG'er I know. You don't go on to a broadcast interview to side against the people you represent.
    He's free to say what he likes, just shows how shyte he is at his role.

    Of course when he's leaking confidential government documents to a pal, he is working on behalf of government :rolleyes:


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    #2283
    padd b1975
    Registered Users Posts: 10,715 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    A few of us must be on the FG watchlist. Interesting.

    I doubt it.


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    #2284
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,302 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Bowie wrote: »
    A public representative is paid to represent the public interest. Tough concept for a FG'er I know. You don't go on to a broadcast interview to side against the people you represent.
    He's free to say what he likes, just shows how shyte he is at his role.

    Of course when he's leaking confidential government documents to a pal, he is working on behalf of government :rolleyes:

    That is a nonsensical post.

    The public interest in this story is to ensure that the taxpayer is not left on the hook for the claims from the Debenhams workers. Varadkar therefore defended the public interest.

    The public interest is not represented by a small group of loud workers.

    However, that flaw in your argument is only mild compared to the idea that a politician should not side against the people he represents, and you don't believe that either, despite your protests. Most people in Ireland believe that a border poll is divisive and unnecessary, yet we have politicians speaking against the public will and calling for one, and I have no problem with them saying that, that is their right.


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    #2285
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Floppybits wrote: »
    All bets are off when a company winds up. Once everyone is paid whatever is left will then be given to the workers only way to change it is to move workers higher up the creditor list and I can't see that happening.

    Those directly employed by the company should be paid first, then the sub contractors, the local authority, then Revenue and the bank's, Revenue pocketing a lot of money that should have been redundancy payments


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    #2286
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    blanch152 wrote: »
    That is a nonsensical post.

    The public interest in this story is to ensure that the taxpayer is not left on the hook for the claims from the Debenhams workers. Varadkar therefore defended the public interest.

    The public interest is not represented by a small group of loud workers.

    However, that flaw in your argument is only mild compared to the idea that a politician should not side against the people he represents, and you don't believe that either, despite your protests. Most people in Ireland believe that a border poll is divisive and unnecessary, yet we have politicians speaking against the public will and calling for one, and I have no problem with them saying that, that is their right.

    FF will push for a border poll next election, only party who won't will be FG who yearn for the days of the ascendancy


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    #2287
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    That is a nonsensical post.

    The public interest in this story is to ensure that the taxpayer is not left on the hook for the claims from the Debenhams workers. Varadkar therefore defended the public interest.

    The public interest is not represented by a small group of loud workers.

    However, that flaw in your argument is only mild compared to the idea that a politician should not side against the people he represents, and you don't believe that either, despite your protests. Most people in Ireland believe that a border poll is divisive and unnecessary, yet we have politicians speaking against the public will and calling for one, and I have no problem with them saying that, that is their right.

    To drag you back to the original comment. The connection between government and the Debenhams workers was a government minister, Varadkar, siding against the workers by lying, stating there was no money there when there was/is. How it should be distributed is the dispute.
    I've no issue with free speech, I am free to criticise it.

    There was nonsense, in that when Varadkar says something it's just him giving his opinion, unless he's leaking a confidential document to a pal, then he's acting for the greater good... We should make him wear specific hats so we can tell.


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    #2288
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,302 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Those directly employed by the company should be paid first, then the sub contractors, the local authority, then Revenue and the bank's, Revenue pocketing a lot of money that should have been redundancy payments

    Well, you need to have the law changed, then.

    https://www.ijsj.ie/assets/uploads/documents/pdfs/2020-Edition-01/4.%20Jonathan%20McCarthy.pdf

    This is a very good article that sets out some of the issues. Notable is that employees already have a high enough preferential situation. In some other jurisdictions, wages owed can be withheld in a liquidation.


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    #2289
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,302 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Bowie wrote: »
    To drag you back to the original comment. The connection between government and the Debenhams workers was a government minister, Varadkar, siding against the workers by lying, stating there was no money there when there was/is. How it should be distributed is the dispute.
    I've no issue with free speech, I am free to criticise it.

    There was nonsense, in that when Varadkar says something it's just him giving his opinion, unless he's leaking a confidential document to a pal, then he's acting for the greater good... We should make him wear specific hats so we can tell.

    The legal position is that there was no money for enhanced redundancy as the law states that other creditors take precedence including Revenue.

    Varadkar did not lie, no matter how many times you state it.

    You are making things up again about Varadkar.


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    #2290
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    The legal position is that there was no money for enhanced redundancy as the law states that other creditors take precedence including Revenue.

    Varadkar did not lie, no matter how many times you state it.

    You are making things up again about Varadkar.

    He said there was no money there. He lied to give weight to the futility of the protests. Discussing were the money should go was the dispute, not that there wasn't any. That's his lie. You stating your side does not mean there was no money there just a opinion on where it should go. The workers disagreed, hence the pickets.
    And again, I was only interested in showing his connection. as a government representative to the Debenhams dispute. Job done.

    You are making false claims with no back up again.
    I'll ask, for ****s and giggles, what do you mean by making stuff up and what do you mean by 'again'? You throw these baseless claims out on a regular basis with no support.


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    #2291
    Solutionking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Solutionking


    Bowie wrote: »
    Do you want us to discuss what role FF/FG/Green have to play?
    Was he in the FF/FG/Greens?
    TBF if he had of used a glass he might have been a disgruntled FG TD.

    To help with what the government are responsible for:
    Debenhams: No
    Crime: Yes


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    #2292
    [Deleted User]
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    Bowie wrote: »
    To drag you back to the original comment. The connection between government and the Debenhams workers was a government minister, Varadkar, siding against the workers by lying, stating there was no money there when there was/is. How it should be distributed is the dispute.
    I've no issue with free speech, I am free to criticise it.

    There was nonsense, in that when Varadkar says something it's just him giving his opinion, unless he's leaking a confidential document to a pal, then he's acting for the greater good... We should make him wear specific hats so we can tell.

    If you were following the Debenhams story, you’d know the facts. KPMG were considering making an offer of €1,000,000 to be divided amongst the workers. The workers rejected this out of hand, so it was withdrawn. They will get their 2 weeks statutory redundancy.


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    #2293
    Solutionking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Solutionking


    Bowie wrote: »
    To drag you back to the original comment. The connection between government and the Debenhams workers was a government minister, Varadkar, siding against the workers by lying, stating there was no money there when there was/is. How it should be distributed is the dispute.
    I've no issue with free speech, I am free to criticise it.

    There was nonsense, in that when Varadkar says something it's just him giving his opinion, unless he's leaking a confidential document to a pal, then he's acting for the greater good... We should make him wear specific hats so we can tell.

    No you didn't drag it back to the original comment. You have dragged it back to something you have made up. The original comment was about the government getting involved with Debenhams which I was 100% right to say they have nothing to do with the government.

    Why you felt the need to mention the document that Varadkar passed incorrectly to someone is strange to me? what exactly has that to do with Debenhams?

    You are aware the government is actually more than Leo the kitten? you seemed slightly obsessed with someone who isn't even the leader of the government. What is that about?


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    #2294
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Solutionking wrote: »
    To help with what the government are responsible for:
    Debenhams: No
    Crime: Yes

    So have the Garda questioned FG on the case?

    Have they business enforcing the law or amending the law but only as regards crime? Have they no business enacting the recommendations from the Clery's scandal?


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    #2295
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If you were following the Debenhams story, you’d know the facts. KPMG were considering making an offer of €1,000,000 to be divided amongst the workers. The workers rejected this out of hand, so it was withdrawn. They will get their 2 weeks statutory redundancy.

    Great story Maryanne. Not what I was commenting on.


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    #2296
    [Deleted User]
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    Bowie wrote: »
    Great story Maryanne. Not what I was commenting on.

    Then WHAT is your point?


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    #2297
    Solutionking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Solutionking


    Bowie wrote: »
    So have the Garda questioned FG on the case?

    Have they business enforcing the law or amending the law but only as regards crime? Have they no business enacting the recommendations from the Clery's scandal?


    Best to leave you to it
    Bit of advice, get over the obsession with Leo the kitten. He is a politician, that's all. It ain't healthy.


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    #2298
    Solutionking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Solutionking


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Then WHAT is your point?

    Leo = bad

    That is what all his/her posts are about


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    #2299
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Solutionking wrote: »
    No you didn't drag it back to the original comment. You have dragged it back to something you have made up. The original comment was about the government getting involved with Debenhams which I was 100% right to say they have nothing to do with the government.

    Why you felt the need to mention the document that Varadkar passed incorrectly to someone is strange to me? what exactly has that to do with Debenhams?

    You are aware the government is actually more than Leo the kitten? you seemed slightly obsessed with someone who isn't even the leader of the government. What is that about?

    Not so. The connection to government was Varadkar and MM commenting on it. That's it.

    I mentioned Varadkar leaking the confidential document to a pal because it was claimed he acted in the greater good as a minister.
    Yet his being on a broadcaster commenting of the Debenhams issue was akin to him discussing Dancing with the Stars :rolleyes:

    He's in government as is MM and they spoke on it. That's the fact. You don't see that as a government connection, cula bula, I do.

    I'll keep to the topic my friend, may as well be asking 'what's a vulture fund?' or other unrelated fudge.


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    #2300
    Solutionking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Solutionking


    So crime rates, the government from what I can see is doing nothing to reduce. Parts of Dublin really are no go areas for the Garda, we have Garda trying to take down a man with an uzi and hand grenade with nothing but a baton.

    What do the government need to do to stop the escalating crime? another jail is the minimum requirement as criminals are getting out early or slap on wrists as simply no space in jails for them. The current government should build a jail ASAP.


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    #2301
    Solutionking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Solutionking


    Bowie wrote: »
    Not so. The connection to government was Varadkar and MM commenting on it. That's it.

    I mentioned Varadkar leaking the confidential document to a pal because it was claimed he acted in the greater good as a minister.
    Yet his being on a broadcaster commenting of the Debenhams issue was akin to him discussing Dancing with the Stars :rolleyes:

    he's in government as it MM and they spoke on it. That's the fact. You don't see that as a government connection, cula bula, I do.

    They got asked a question and answered. That doesn't mean the government should get involved in a union issue. Fairly simple, well to most people. Dances with the stars? what are you talking about?


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    #2302
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Then WHAT is your point?

    The connection between Debenhams and government was MM and LV talking on it. That's all.
    Solutionking wrote: »
    Leo = bad

    That is what all his/her posts are about

    You might want to take that up with Leo.
    More or your made up claims with no back up...


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    #2303
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Solutionking wrote: »
    They got asked a question and answered. That doesn't mean the government should get involved in a union issue. Fairly simple, well to most people. Dances with the stars? what are you talking about?

    I showed the connection.

    I was citing Blanch. Would you not try follow if you are deciding to chime in?


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    #2304
    Solutionking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Solutionking


    Bowie wrote: »
    The connection between Debenhams and government was MM and LV talking on it. That's all.



    You might want to take that up with Leo.
    More or your made up claims with no back up...

    No need to take anything up with Leo. I couldn't care less about the bloke. He screwed the people in his own area which says enough.

    I suggest you read back over the last 20 posts on this thread from yourself, if you don't even realise you are obsessed the bloke it is worse than I though, as I said unhealthy.


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    #2305
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Solutionking wrote: »
    No need to take anything up with Leo. I couldn't care less about the bloke. He screwed the people in his own area which says enough.

    I suggest you read back over the last 20 posts on this thread from yourself, if you don't even realise you are obsessed the bloke it is worse than I though, as I said unhealthy.

    No need to try personalise. I'll speak on who I like when I like.
    He's only ever mentioned in context. Not that I need explain that to you. As you don't care about the bloke the obsession over my posting on him, in context, as he comes up is odd.


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    #2306
    [Deleted User]
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    Bowie wrote: »
    The connection between Debenhams and government was MM and LV talking on it. That's all.



    You might want to take that up with Leo.
    More or your made up claims with no back up...

    So, politicians aren’t allowed talk to constituents? Wowsers!

    I must agree with @solutionking in that you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with Leo.


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    #2307
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,169 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Solutionking wrote: »
    No need to take anything up with Leo. I couldn't care less about the bloke. He screwed the people in his own area which says enough.

    I suggest you read back over the last 20 posts on this thread from yourself, if you don't even realise you are obsessed the bloke it is worse than I though, as I said unhealthy.

    Unhealthy thread King.... just a nest of ‘hurlers on the ditch ‘trawling every platform going to try to find any hint of rubbish to sling.


    They didn’t like the way their attack on Varadkar dashed and burned yesterday.

    Lot of built up anger there.

    Fasten your seat belt.


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    #2308
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So, politicians aren’t allowed talk to constituents? Wowsers!

    I must agree with @solutionking in that you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with Leo.

    Who said that?

    Good for you. I'll stick to discussing topics.


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    Floppybits
    Registered Users Posts: 7,560 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Solutionking wrote: »
    So crime rates, the government from what I can see is doing nothing to reduce. Parts of Dublin really are no go areas for the Garda, we have Garda trying to take down a man with an uzi and hand grenade with nothing but a baton.

    What do the government need to do to stop the escalating crime? another jail is the minimum requirement as criminals are getting out early or slap on wrists as simply no space in jails for them. The current government should build a jail ASAP.

    Dublin has been left to decay, won't belong before it will be back to the way it was in the 80's. Shocking how bad the city has gone.


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    #2310
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Floppybits wrote: »
    Dublin has been left to decay, won't belong before it will be back to the way it was in the 80's. Shocking how bad the city has gone.

    The politics of government are reverting back to FF/Haughey era by the looks.


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    #2311
    Floppybits
    Registered Users Posts: 7,560 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Bowie wrote: »
    The politics of government are reverting back to FF/Haughey era by the looks.

    Certainly seems to be going that way. Didn't take FF long to get back into the swing of things. Hopefully this is their last stint in government.


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