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FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

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    #8432
    Whatisthisnow
    Site Banned Posts: 301 ✭✭Whatisthisnow


    https://twitter.com/OCallaghanCian/status/1364567343016407047?s=19

    FF and FG dont care about anyone.

    The Greens have joined the club


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    #8433
    Floppybits
    Registered Users Posts: 7,601 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    James Brown wrote: »
    It's another cynical PR stunt. Anyone complains or criticises about the covid situation, accuse them of living in fantasy 'zero covid' land.
    It's the old 'only big ejits would ask such questions' tactic, to try embarrass people into silence.

    The usual attempts to shut down debate. It must have been newly added to the FG handbook.


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    #8434
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,782 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    It's just an opinion piece really isn't it.
    Did anyone expect our debt to go down in the years after the crash?
    The fact we are still functioning with such ease and access to credit is a testament to good governing policy really.
    And how, would anyone have gotten us through the pandemic without adding to the debt?
    If that piece of a personal opinion throw out is your best shot, God help your wit.



    .... access to money....
    Also known as the magic money tree if anyone else bar FFG were looking for it.


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    #8435
    Floppybits
    Registered Users Posts: 7,601 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Whatisthisnow wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/OCallaghanCian/status/1364567343016407047?s=19

    FF and FG dont care about anyone.

    The Greens have joined the club

    A cynical piece of work by these arrogant disgusting parties. They make a big deal about a fake apology and then treat the survivors like this. I don't know how anyone with an ounce of compassion could support these party's.


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    #8436
    Whatisthisnow
    Site Banned Posts: 301 ✭✭Whatisthisnow


    Floppybits wrote: »
    A cynical piece of work by these arrogant disgusting parties. They make a big deal about a fake apology and then treat the survivors like this. I don't know how anyone with an ounce of compassion could support these party's.

    They are just scum and they see anyone who dosnt agree with them as below them


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    #8437
    Floppybits
    Registered Users Posts: 7,601 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Whatisthisnow wrote: »
    They are just scum and they see anyone who dosnt agree with them as below them

    It's the arrogance of them and they hate it,as we can see on here, when they are questioned. Instead of answering the questions to go straight to the handbook to pull out the usual excuses like nothing to see here, the public are not interested, but SF made us do it and the magic money tree.


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    #8438
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users Posts: 9,006 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Anyone listening to Drivetime?
    It seems the mandatory hotel quarantining plan is falling apart already. The Gardai in particular are very unhappy that they haven't been consulted on it by anyone. The AGSI have asked McEntee for a meeting for weeks but were ignored.

    More chaos on the horizon.

    Nobody from government was available to come on Radio 1 and explain the quarantine plan. No surprise there.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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    #8439
    Floppybits
    Registered Users Posts: 7,601 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    Anyone listening to Drivetime?
    It seems the mandatory hotel quarantining plan is falling apart already. The Gardai in particular are very unhappy that they haven't been consulted on it by anyone. The AGSI have asked McEntee for a meeting for weeks but were ignored.

    More chaos on the horizon.

    Are you surprised? The government don't want to do it and similar to the cynical nasty tactics used today they are doing the same here. There is a name for the members of this government but can't say it on here.


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    #8440
    CarProblem
    Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭CarProblem


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    It's just an opinion piece really isn't it.

    It is - a lot of factual information within it however
    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    Did anyone expect our debt to go down in the years after the crash?

    Over the period 2011-19 (pre Covid) based on the level of increase in govt income with a "fiscally conservative" party at the wheel? I did
    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    The fact we are still functioning with such ease and access to credit is a testament to good governing policy really

    It's a "credit" to the ECB and ZIRP
    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    And how, would anyone have gotten us through the pandemic without adding to the debt?

    I focused more on the period to 2019 when many economic commentators warned (pre Covid) of the spectre of recession in the EU
    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    If that piece of a personal opinion throw out is your best shot, God help your wit.

    So if the IT pushed an opinion piece by govt lickspittles such as Stephen Collins or Pat Leahy we'll ignore those too - understood


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    #8441
    Whatisthisnow
    Site Banned Posts: 301 ✭✭Whatisthisnow


    https://twitter.com/HollyCairnsTD/status/1364631096865021959?s=19

    The lowest of the low


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    #8442
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users Posts: 9,006 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Whatisthisnow wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/HollyCairnsTD/status/1364631096865021959?s=19

    The lowest of the low

    Disgusting. Vile.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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    #8443
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Whatisthisnow wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/HollyCairnsTD/status/1364631096865021959?s=19

    The lowest of the low

    The new generation of FF/FG can add themselves to the FF/FG state that was complicit with and covered for the religious orders in selling babies and abusing women and children for decades.
    The Greens are along for the pensions.


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    #8444
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users Posts: 9,006 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    James Brown wrote: »
    The new generation of FF/FG can add themselves to the FF/FG state that was complicit with and covered for the religious orders in selling babies and abusing women and children for decades.
    The Greens are along for the pensions.

    That's exactly right.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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    #8445
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    CarProblem wrote: »
    It is - a lot of factual information within it however



    Over the period 2011-19 (pre Covid) based on the level of increase in govt income with a "fiscally conservative" party at the wheel? I did



    It's a "credit" to the ECB and ZIRP



    I focused more on the period to 2019 when many economic commentators warned (pre Covid) of the spectre of recession in the EU



    So if the IT pushed an opinion piece by govt lickspittles such as Stephen Collins or Pat Leahy we'll ignore those too - understood

    How'd you think any party was going to finance their election promises in 2020?
    Did you think any of them were going to do all they said without borrowing and increasing the national debt, and if so how?

    It's naieve stuff you're posting there.


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    #8446
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users Posts: 9,006 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    James Brown wrote: »
    The new generation of FF/FG can add themselves to the FF/FG state that was complicit with and covered for the religious orders in selling babies and abusing women and children for decades.
    The Greens are along for the pensions.

    It's clear the government were facing an internal revolt. Their actions are utter cowardice. They are just digging a bigger hole for themselves. Idiots.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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    #8447
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    It's clear the government were facing an internal revolt. Their actions are utter cowardice. They are just digging a bigger hole for themselves. Idiots.

    They don't do accountability. Sadly this leaves the survivors being abused further.


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    #8448
    iagreebut
    Site Banned Posts: 109 ✭✭iagreebut


    James Brown wrote: »
    They don't do accountability. Sadly this leaves the survivors being abused further.

    Absolutely disgusting, and the greens too, supposedly they're all for social justice, I am not on Facebook but I remember a friend of mine showed me a poor excuse on Facebook from a member of the green party over the last vote, and they were trying to worn themselves out of it.
    I deleted them from Instagram,an absolute turn coat.

    These people are not what you think they are,I'm a devils advocate and time after time I've seen it again and agai

    I wouldn't trust them,all the pandering to the left and justice for all.
    The next thing they go against the moral fabric of society.


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    #8449
    Whatisthisnow
    Site Banned Posts: 301 ✭✭Whatisthisnow


    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1364550356596883457?s=19

    Im sure every single one of them is isolating at home or had their 5 day test done and anyone who hasnt will have been visited by the Gardai and fined

    Thats what we are meant to believe isnt it?


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    #8450
    Whatisthisnow
    Site Banned Posts: 301 ✭✭Whatisthisnow


    https://twitter.com/boucherhayes/status/1364487026448478215?s=19

    Flights from America still arriving, no quarantine


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    #8451
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,438 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Whatisthisnow wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1364550356596883457?s=19

    Im sure every single one of them is isolating at home or had their 5 day test done and anyone who hasnt will have been visited by the Gardai and fined

    Thats what we are meant to believe isnt it?

    There are about 13,000 hotel rooms in Dublin, we had nearly 11,000 arriving in one week, that means 22,000 over two weeks, who will all need to be in hotel rooms under quarantine at the same time. Where will the other 9,000 fit, and why should hotel workers have to risk their lives?


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    #8452
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    There are about 13,000 hotel rooms in Dublin, we had nearly 11,000 arriving in one week, that means 22,000 over two weeks, who will all need to be in hotel rooms under quarantine at the same time. Where will the other 9,000 fit, and why should hotel workers have to risk their lives?

    The quarantine will stop them. There is no need for all these people to be coming into our country, they are not all essential workers


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    #8453
    Whatisthisnow
    Site Banned Posts: 301 ✭✭Whatisthisnow


    blanch152 wrote: »
    There are about 13,000 hotel rooms in Dublin, we had nearly 11,000 arriving in one week, that means 22,000 over two weeks, who will all need to be in hotel rooms under quarantine at the same time. Where will the other 9,000 fit, and why should hotel workers have to risk their lives?

    Do they all have to stay in Dublin hotels. They can be bused to most parts of the country in a couple of hours

    Why should i risk my life going to tesco when i could bump into one of these tourists. You will find the majority of hotel workers would be delighted to be back working


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    #8454
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Whatisthisnow wrote: »
    Do they all have to stay in Dublin hotels. They can be bused to most parts of the country in a couple of hours

    Why should i risk my life going to tesco when i could bump into one of these tourists. You will find the majority of hotel workers would be delighted to be back working

    You're afraid to go to tescos in case you meet a tourist and you think hotel workers are mad to get back to work to serve them?
    Do you know how, much your average hotel worker is paid?
    Do you think they're much better off working compared to the pup?


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    #8455
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    You're afraid to go to tescos in case you meet a tourist and you think hotel workers are mad to get back to work to serve them?
    Do you know how, much your average hotel worker is paid?
    Do you think they're much better off working compared to the pup?

    Arent they meant to stay in their rooms, food left at the door, minimal staff needed


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    #8456
    Whatisthisnow
    Site Banned Posts: 301 ✭✭Whatisthisnow


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    You're afraid to go to tescos in case you meet a tourist and you think hotel workers are mad to get back to work to serve them?
    Do you know how, much your average hotel worker is paid?
    Do you think they're much better off working compared to the pup?

    What about the airport staff, is it ok for them to have to risk catching it from tourists who are not meant to be coming here.

    All people staying in hotel will be sent directly to rooms. Food trays and anything needed will be left at the door. Staff will have zero contact with them directly

    I guarantee if the staff don't want to work, the hotel would have plenty of applications


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    #8457
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,241 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Fall in support for Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael as confidence in Covid-19 management slumps – poll

    No surprise there...


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    #8458
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    You're afraid to go to tescos in case you meet a tourist and you think hotel workers are mad to get back to work to serve them?
    Do you know how, much your average hotel worker is paid?
    Do you think they're much better off working compared to the pup?

    More than a student Nurse?

    TBH I'm suprised Larry and Denis aren't all over this buying up shares in hotels and putting a word in.


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    #8459
    CarProblem
    Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭CarProblem


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    How'd you think any party was going to finance their election promises in 2020?

    Interestingly I posted about the period 2011-19 but to answer your question I didn't believe any of the manifestos
    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    Did you think any of them were going to do all they said without borrowing and increasing the national debt, and if so how?

    See above - I didn't trust manifestos. As an aside Ireland has a huge spending problem - we probably spend more than enough to have world class services etc., it's just wasted spent poorly
    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    It's naieve stuff you're posting there.

    You're right I was naive in 2011 to think a so called "fiscally conservative/responsible" party wouldn't

    - tax the bejaysus out of a small number of people while allowing 750k+ workers to pay zero
    - increase the dole in a period of full employment (increasing the dole by more than someone on the average wage was given in two budgets)
    - waste the increase in government revenue by having the fastest growth in real govt expenditure in the EU15 from 2016-19 while not improving services

    To be fair I fully expected them to continue bribing the OAP cohort

    So fool me once and all that - I won't be naive with respect to FG again


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    #8460
    CarProblem
    Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭CarProblem


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Why should hotel workers have to risk their lives?

    Is this your new deflection point Blanch? Really? Suppose it beats accusing people of racism and homophobia when they (justifiably) criticise that snake Varadkar

    Anyhow - I listened to an interview with a UK jockey quarantining in an Australian hotel. Zero contact with staff - confined to his room with food left at the door. Again other countries have successfully managed this, we can just follow good practice and learn from other places (a thing we've stubbornly refused to do so far).

    (Trying to anticipate more deflection and excuses) You probably can't eliminate 100% of risk but it's the same in a number of jobs. You have to set strict protocols and stick to them - based on your comment above do you think medical staff, supermarket workers, bus drivers should be risking their lives?


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    #8461
    Whatisthisnow
    Site Banned Posts: 301 ✭✭Whatisthisnow


    CarProblem wrote: »
    Is this your new deflection point Blanch? Really? Suppose it beats accusing people of racism and homophobia when they (justifiably) criticise that snake Varadkar

    Anyhow - I listened to an interview with a UK jockey quarantining in an Australian hotel. Zero contact with staff - confined to his room with food left at the door. Again other countries have successfully managed this, we can just follow good practice and learn from other places (a thing we've stubbornly refused to do so far).

    (Trying to anticipate more deflection and excuses) You probably can't eliminate 100% of risk but it's the same in a number of jobs. You have to set strict protocols and stick to them - based on your comment above do you think medical staff, supermarket workers, bus drivers should be risking their lives?

    When the Govt are forced into this (hopefully before we get a new strain) Blanch & Co will be praising the decision


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