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Trump vs Biden 2020, Ultimate battle for the fate of our universe (pt 3)Read OP 01/11

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    #3602
    ohnonotgmail
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    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    Yea that's how allegations work I thought. You think they are so incredible not to be addressed and I disagree. He at least got a hard drive with pictures of Hunter, so if its the russians then what else do they have on Hunter? Little questions like that.
    yeah that is how allegations work. you make an allegation and provide proof of the allegation. then there is something to refute. Rudy needs to put all his cards on the table and let the info be independently verified. But he wont because the cards he holds are jokers.


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    #3603
    ohnonotgmail
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    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    When the accused is in the world spotlight but doesn't claim the evidence is fake or tampered with, yes it's looking pretty bad for them. Only for it concerns Biden and people don't want to acknowledge he is likely corrupt before the election it would be business as usual instead of this charade. They can't wait it out another two weeks. That is an admission.

    what evidence? a poor photoshop of an email. that is it.


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    #3604
    Igotadose
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    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    That excuse doesn't work though. They have already denied the meeting referred to in the email was on the official schedule. Therefore they acknowledge the email, the date of the meeting referred to in it, the people alleged to have been at the meeting and the New York Post story itself. All that is missing is the denial that the emails themselves are genuine.

    The story made global headline because of Facebook and Twitter's panic to cover it up, there's no excuse about 'drawing more attention to it'.
    Hey Fred, did you meet with Barney on the 12th?
    Didn't have a meeting on the 12th, Barney.

    OK Fred thanks for acknowledging my question!


    Sigh


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    #3605
    Call Me Jimmy
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    yeah that is how allegations work. you make an allegation and provide proof of the allegation. then there is something to refute. Rudy needs to put all his cards on the table and let the info be independently verified. But he wont because the cards he holds are jokers.

    You know there are other sources already? It's no longer just Guiliaini. And the store owner and FBI are not Guiliaini.

    Maybe if the only evidence was the hard drive in Guiliani's office and there was no timeline outside of this that could easily be falsified I would say, bleh it's just a political operative doing what they do, nothing to see here.


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    #3606
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users Posts: 3,501 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Posted this already but it's worth repeating because it makes me wonder why the Trump supporters are more concerned about someone not even in the race than they are about someone in the White House.
    . . .

    We have been shown some emails that implicate Joe Biden while carrying out his role as American vice president in "pay to play" schemes. The veracity of these emails has not been denied by the Bidens or their legal representatives who have in turn requested the return of the material from both the repair shop owner and Mr. Rudy Giuliani.

    If you would not mind pointing out what offence Ivanka Trump or her father has committed please feel free to enlighten us. As the Chinese government has approved these trademark applications, can you point to wrong doing on the Trumps part? Do you have any emails or other documentation indicating a quid pro quo arrangement as a result?

    From the emails Burisma made their expectations of Hunter Biden clear, they were buying influence to protect their boss. Joe Biden denied knowing what his son was involved with in Ukraine at the time, but somehow his son introduced a representative from Burisma to him in 2015. Several months later and by his own admission Biden withheld $1 billion in aid to Ukraine to pressure the government to remove Shokin from the Prosecutor General's Office.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    #3607
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    We have been shown some emails that implicate Joe Biden while carrying out his role as American vice president in "pay to play" schemes. The veracity of these emails has not been denied by the Bidens or their legal representatives who have in turn requested the return of the material from both the repair shop owner and Mr. Rudy Giuliani.

    If you would not mind pointing out what offence Ivanka Trump or her father has committed please feel free to enlighten us. As the Chinese government has approved these trademark applications, can you point to wrong doing on the Trumps part? Do you have any emails or other documentation indicating a quid pro quo arrangement as a result?

    From the emails Burisma made their expectations of Hunter Biden clear, they were buying influence to protect their boss. Joe Biden denied knowing what his son was involved with in Ukraine at the time, but somehow his son introduced a representative from Burisma to him in 2015. Several months later and by his own admission Biden withheld $1 billion in aid to Ukraine to pressure the government to remove Shokin from the Prosecutor General's Office.

    Really? Can you show me these emails?


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    #3608
    francois
    Registered Users Posts: 3,395 ✭✭✭francois


    Interesting...
    https://eddiekrassenstein.medium.com/exposed-plot-to-falsely-link-hunter-biden-to-pedophilia-and-sex-trafficking-ff9d20ce5961


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    #3609
    ohnonotgmail
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    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    You know there are other sources already? It's no longer just Guiliaini. And the store owner and FBI are not Guiliaini.

    Maybe if the only evidence was the hard drive in Guiliani's office and there was no timeline outside of this that could easily be falsified I would say, bleh it's just a political operative doing what they do, nothing to see here.

    the timeline has changed since it was first announced. who dropped it in has changed. rudy even claims that hunter was drunk when he dropped it in, something the store owner never mentioned.


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    #3610
    ohnonotgmail
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    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    We have been shown some emails that implicate Joe Biden while carrying out his role as American vice president in "pay to play" schemes. The veracity of these emails has not been denied by the Bidens or their legal representatives who have in turn requested the return of the material from both the repair shop owner and Mr. Rudy Giuliani.

    If you would not mind pointing out what offence Ivanka Trump or her father has committed please feel free to enlighten us. As the Chinese government has approved these trademark applications, can you point to wrong doing on the Trumps part? Do you have any emails or other documentation indicating a quid pro quo arrangement as a result?

    From the emails Burisma made their expectations of Hunter Biden clear, they were buying influence to protect their boss. Joe Biden denied knowing what his son was involved with in Ukraine at the time, but somehow his son introduced a representative from Burisma to him in 2015. Several months later and by his own admission Biden withheld $1 billion in aid to Ukraine to pressure the government to remove Shokin from the Prosecutor General's Office.

    we have seen a poor photoshop of an email.


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    #3611
    Graham
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    we have seen a poor photoshop of an email.

    Who do we know with poor photoshop skills? :D


    530004.jpg


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    #3612
    MoonUnit75
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    what evidence? a poor photoshop of an email. that is it.

    Why didn't they say 'This poor photoshop fake email is not legitimate therefore no meeting could have taken place'.

    We all know, even if you don't want to admit it here or even to yourself, they are in deep discussions with their legal teams and everyone on the email chains to see what can be denied and what needs to be faced up to. They are just buying time and the media is enabling it. The genie is out of the bottle, several copies of the drive are now in the wild and with the FBI.


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    #3613
    ohnonotgmail
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    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    Why didn't they say 'This poor photoshop fake email is not legitimate therefore no meeting could have taken place'.

    We all know, even if you don't want to admit it here or even to yourself, they are in deep discussions with their legal teams and everyone on the email chains to see what can be denied and what needs to be faced up to. They are just buying time and the media is enabling it. The genie is out of the bottle, several copies of the drive are now in the wild and with the FBI.

    bidens team did say that no meeting took place.


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    #3614
    hometruths
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    you dont know it is true but you are waiting for it be proved false? I'm not sure you know this but it is up to the people making allegations to provide the proof for them. Especially so given the source of the information. I imagine the reason you "dont buy" it is because you want it to be true.

    There were rumours of Joe Biden's family business relationships being a bit suspect long before Giuliani ever touted this laptop.

    Are these rumours Russian disinformation as well?


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    #3615
    MoonUnit75
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    bidens team did say that no meeting took place.

    No, they said there was no meeting on the official schedule. They said they wouldn't rule out the people mentioned meeting in a more casual setting.


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    #3616
    Kermit.de.frog
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    francois wrote: »
    Interesting...
    https://eddiekrassenstein.medium.com/exposed-plot-to-falsely-link-hunter-biden-to-pedophilia-and-sex-trafficking-ff9d20ce5961

    That's the level of debasement and thuggery you are dealing with in Trump's sycophants unfortunately.


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    #3617
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,211 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Graham wrote: »
    Who do we know with poor photoshop skills? :D


    530004.jpg

    that is a work of creative genius compared to the email photoshop.


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    #3618
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,211 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    schmittel wrote: »
    There were rumours of Joe Biden's family business relationships being a bit suspect long before Giuliani ever touted this laptop.

    Are these rumours Russian disinformation as well?

    many people say....

    am i doing it right?


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    #3619
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    the timeline has changed since it was first announced. who dropped it in has changed. rudy even claims that hunter was drunk when he dropped it in, something the store owner never mentioned.

    Yes there was some ambiguity about it, I believe it was claimed that the person came in twice, the first time drunk, the second time not described.

    This is my problem, there are very specific claims; some of them could have and should have been denied or explained by now given that there is an allegation that has been known to the FBI since the impeachment. Literally nothing is denied or explained through surrogates even?


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    #3620
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    Why didn't they say 'This poor photoshop fake email is not legitimate therefore no meeting could have taken place'.

    We all know, even if you don't want to admit it here or even to yourself, they are in deep discussions with their legal teams and everyone on the email chains to see what can be denied and what needs to be faced up to. They are just buying time and the media is enabling it. The genie is out of the bottle, several copies of the drive are now in the wild and with the FBI.

    Maybe they will as soon as they manage to stop laughing.


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    #3621
    ohnonotgmail
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    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    Yes there was some ambiguity about it, I believe it was claimed that the person came in twice, the first time drunk, the second time not described.

    This is my problem, there are very specific claims; some of them could have and should have been denied or explained by now given that there is an allegation that has been known to the FBI since the impeachment. Literally nothing is denied or explained through surrogates even?

    that is not what the store owner said originally. originally they said they had no idea who it was.


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    #3622
    MoonUnit75
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Maybe they will as soon as they manage to stop laughing.

    A week is a very, very long time to spend laughing while the public are left wondering why they are not denying the laptop is Hunter's and the emails are genuine.


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    #3623
    Kermit.de.frog
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    schmittel wrote: »
    There were rumours of Joe Biden's family business relationships being a bit suspect long before Giuliani ever touted this laptop.

    Are these rumours Russian disinformation as well?

    Russian attacks on US democracy did not start with Trump.

    They succeeded in 2016 in getting a friendly voice in the White House and one that would damage the US.

    It's very sophisticated manipulation that in my view is an act of war really.


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    #3624
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    francois wrote: »
    Interesting...
    https://eddiekrassenstein.medium.com/exposed-plot-to-falsely-link-hunter-biden-to-pedophilia-and-sex-trafficking-ff9d20ce5961

    Definitely interesting. Although they have already alluded in public to the fact they think some of the women in the pictures could be underage, so it's not necessarily revealing anything new there.


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    #3625
    Pa ElGrande
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    bidens team did say that no meeting took place.

    Bidens campaign admitted to Politico that an "informal" meeting with Burisma may have occurred.
    Biden’s campaign would not rule out the possibility that the former VP had some kind of informal interaction with Pozharskyi, which wouldn’t appear on Biden’s official schedule. But they said any encounter would have been cursory. Pozharskyi did not respond to a request for comment.

    source

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    #3626
    ohnonotgmail
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    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    A week is a very, very long time to spend laughing while the public are left wondering why they are not denying the laptop is Hunter's and the emails are genuine.
    the public dont care. the only ones who care are trump supporters who are desperate for some good news


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    #3627
    MoonUnit75
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    that is not what the store owner said originally. originally they said they had no idea who it was.

    It is what he said originally. He wrote to the congressional committee to say that well before the story broke. He was promised anonymity and was then doorstepped and recorded by the media. I'm sure you would be spooked, disorientated and afraid if you were just being made aware you will be on world headlines in hours.


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    #3628
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    that is not what the store owner said originally. originally they said they had no idea who it was.

    Yes, I took it as he didn't realise at the time that it was biden only after. But yea there's definitely a sticky point there.


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    #3629
    ohnonotgmail
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    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    It is what he said originally. He wrote to the congressional committee to say that well before the story broke. He was promised anonymity and was then doorstepped and recorded by the media. I'm sure you would be spooked, disorientated and afraid if you were just being made aware you will be on world headlines in hours.

    i would still know what actually happened. he didnt until Rudy reminded him what the story should be. and even then Rudy had to throw in a bit about hunter being drunk.


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    #3630
    MoonUnit75
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    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    Definitely interesting. Although they have already alluded in public to the fact they think some of the women in the pictures could be underage, so it's not necessarily revealing anything new there.

    Getting in there first with the forged evidence claims. Sounds like they have been told there's something nefarious on there.


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    #3631
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Russian attacks on US democracy did not start with Trump.

    They succeeded in 2016 in getting a friendly voice in the White House and one that would damage the US.

    It's very sophisticated manipulation that in my view is an act of war really.

    Let's say that's true. Who do China want to win or do they not care? WHat's your take on that side of the equation?


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