Schools closed until February? (part 3)

Thats me

mvl wrote: »

also mentioned in an earlier post the 200 EUR DIY project done in some German school, that removes more than 90% virus carrying aerosols from ventilators // was hidden in a twitter link and perhaps was missed
https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1327374919282225152

This is good addendum to ventilation system, but not replacement of it. Look: this system does pump air out of the building. Where you get replacement air? It should go through the conditioner, not trough the holes in the walls. So ventilation system is still required. Also Japanese recommendations for organisation of ventilation system were based on results of modelling on supercomputers while evaluation of effectiveness of this DIY project is based on speculations of its authors.

mvl

meeeeh wrote: »

Who needs teachers to study years for their profession when 'techy' parents can do it all online.

online classes by qualified teachers work pretty well for us, sorry if they don't work for you, and so you can't see the benefits.
; i can do my job perfectly fine when my kid is being taught by someone else online. and fyi, i am on my lunch break now, that's why I have few minutes to reply to your post (as usually i can't sit on my ar*e all day on boards like other private working parents)

Thats me

meeeeh wrote: »

Who needs teachers to study years for their profession when 'techy' parents can do it all online.

Since it become obvious that teachers are needed only as child minders, i agree - there is no need to spend resource on teaching teachers :cool:

JimmyVik

Thats me wrote: »

USB 2.0 powered? It is 2.5 watt - it is nothing given your own body radiates somewhat about 100W


BTW, not only temperature but also quality of air matters: regularly having not enough oxigen if your air recirculated or regularly exposed to air with non-optimal humidity is not good for human health.

You would be surprised.
Works off normal usb battery.
Like having a warm scarf around your neck and hot water bottles down your back and chest. Now if only I could get usb jocks

jrosen

Im not against on line teaching, especially if it would allow all students to have access to a broader curriculum and a variety of teachers with lots of expertise and experience. However school isn't just about education, there is a huge social element too which would be lost. Our kids learn so much more than whats in a book at school. I also dont think anything can truly replace face to face.

We also dont have a society that is set up to support such a move. We cant have thousands of kids at home alone every day which is what would happen because not every parent has the option to work from home.

meeeeh

mvl wrote: »

online classes by qualified teachers work pretty well for us, sorry if they don't work for you, and so you can't see the benefits.

No they don't. Because I think kids need to learn social skills too not just academic knowledge.

HerrKuehn

JimmyVik wrote: »

Myself, i am sick to the teeth of begging letter and fund raisers from schools.
I pay tax. Use it for the schools. All of them. IF I need to pay more tax, then so be it. But they have to stop with this constant tapping people for money.

I don't mind it because at least I know the money is going to my kids school. I certainly didn't have any say in the current setup where we have an almost entirely privately owned primary school system. It is what we have though and it is provided on the basis of priority access to particular groups. I think if we have a fully state funded system it should be provided on an equal access basis to everyone. We don't have that though. So, given that I prefer that any additional funding I provide goes directly to our school. Funding directly from general taxation just results in everyone paying to continue the current system. To me that would be like having Blackrock College fully state funded (no fees) and allowing them to have their own admissions policy (1 or more parents solicitor/politician etc). It would be madness and nobody would accept it.

thomasdylan

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Im sure ive asked you this before, but what exactly do you work as, where you redeployed, did you have to work through your holidays, where you asked to work in a field you had zero experience? I mean you know so much about me and my personal circumstances its only fair to answer right.

Redeployed for two weeks (during which I did two 48 hour shifts), derogated twice (as of last week). Holidays cancelled, and they'd be a few less days than your own to start with.

Huge amounts of people in difficult situations have had to step up.

I have absolutely no problem if NPHET recommend schools close early for Christmas but closures should not be dictated by teachers and their unions. You seem to think closing early is some kind of appreciation needed for people working in schools but need to recognise the disruption it would cause to loads of others. I don't think any other union has asked for extra holidays because they need a 'morale boost'.

khalessi

thomasdylan wrote: »

Redeployed for two weeks (during which I did two 48 hour shifts), derogated twice (as of last week). Holidays cancelled, and they'd be a few less days than your own to start with.

Huge amounts of people in difficult situations have had to step up.

I have absolutely no problem if NPHET recommend schools close early for Christmas but closures should not be dictated by teachers and their unions. You seem to think closing early is some kind of appreciation needed for people working in schools but need to recognise the disruption it would cause to loads of others. I don't think any other union has asked for extra holidays because they need a 'morale boost'.

Correction as the TUI said when asked by Ciara Kelly yesterday, they did not ask their members about this. They did it off their own bat. Teachers had no knowledge of this and did not ask for this as has been pointed out through this thread over last few days.

Most teachers I know would prefer that schools were made safer and that proper ppe was supplied to all staff, and that proper identification of close contacts (without mitigating circumstance bs) and testing was carried out. Being able to access the flu vaccine as"frontline workers" would be good too.

Yesterday's daft announcement had nothing to do with teachers

JimmyVik

HerrKuehn wrote: »

I don't mind it because at least I know the money is going to my kids school. I certainly didn't have any say in the current setup where we have an almost entirely privately owned primary school system. It is what we have though and it is provided on the basis of priority access to particular groups. I think if we have a fully state funded system it should be provided on an equal access basis to everyone. We don't have that though. So, given that I prefer that any additional funding I provide goes directly to our school. Funding directly from general taxation just results in everyone paying to continue the current system. To me that would be like having Blackrock College fully state funded (no fees) and allowing them to have their own admissions policy (1 or more parents solicitor/politician etc). It would be madness and nobody would accept it.

Maybe they should make it really voluntary then.
Something where people could pay into an account anonymously.
Where there is no shaming possible.
Then anyone who felt they wanted to supplement the school could, and anyone who feels it should be done via their taxes doesnt need to get shamed into giving away more money to somewhere that should be properly funded.
The more people that go for this voluntary joke, the longer it will go on and the government will keep it that way instead of funding schools properly.

Lillyfae

khalessi wrote: »

Correction as the TUI said when asked by Ciara Kelly yesterday, they did not ask their members about this. They did it off their own bat. Teachers had no knowledge of this and did not ask for this as has been pointed out through this thread over last few days.

Most teachers I know would prefer that schools were made safer and that proper ppe was supplied to all staff, and that proper identification of close contacts (without mitigating circumstance bs) and testing was carried out.

Yesterday's daft announcement had nothing to do with teachers

Again, TUI representatives are elected by TUI members (teachers) to represent them. It might not be your union, but all union representatives are elected by their members. I accept that this wasn't a request from TUI members, but maybe they should choose their representatives more carefully.

BonsaiKitten

JimmyVik wrote: »

Maybe they should make it really voluntary then.
Something where people could pay into an account anonymously.
Where there is no shaming possible.
Then anyone who felt they wanted to supplement the school could, and anyone who feels it should be done via their taxes doesnt need to get shamed into giving away more money to somewhere that should be properly funded.
The more people that go for this voluntary joke, the longer it will go on and the government will keep it that way instead of funding schools properly.

You're right and I don't disagree that the Govt will let this voluntary contribution thing run as long as they can (they have schools and parents over a barrel and they know it) but what happens in the gap between voluntary contributions and proper State funding? Supplies still need to be bought, heat needs to be put on.

Personally I think the National Parents Council and the Into/tui/Asti should be creating a joint campaign on this. I really think most people don't know how underfunded schools are.

khalessi

Lillyfae wrote: »

Again, TUI representatives are elected by TUI members (teachers) to represent them. It might not be your union, but all union representatives are elected by their members. I accept that this wasn't a request from TUI members, but maybe they should choose their representatives more carefully.

Oh yeah heard ya the firstime, yeah and as you fail to comprehend the TUI rep said they had not asked their members so in that case they are not representing the view of teachers no matter how many times you like to correct me. Have you thought about contacting th TUI rep in question with your opinion, i am only sure he would be delighted.

TUI like governments not all of the elected give what they promise

HerrKuehn

JimmyVik wrote: »

Maybe they should make it really voluntary then.
Something where people could pay into an account anonymously.
Where there is no shaming possible.
Then anyone who felt they wanted to supplement the school could, and anyone who feels it should be done via their taxes doesnt need to get shamed into giving away more money to somewhere that should be properly funded.
The more people that go for this voluntary joke, the longer it will go on and the government will keep it that way instead of funding schools properly.

Or the owners of the schools could find other ways to increase funding? In Germany you have the Church Tax, which is an optional additional state tax used to fund religious organisations and their services. In this way those that wanted to fund the system through their taxes could do so.

khalessi

HerrKuehn wrote: »

Or the owners of the schools could find other ways to increase funding? In Germany you have the Church Tax, which is an optional additional state tax used to fund religious organisations and their services. In this way those that wanted to fund the system through their taxes could do so.

In this country we are trying to get the churches out of schools. The have handed a few back over the last few years.

Was listening to the radio during the week and Catholic schools can no longer use a baptism cert as an entry requirement but Muslim, Jewish and Protestant schools still can. So it is a journey but we are getting there and also while increasing the number of Educate Together schools.

Meanwhile all schools need to be funded properly by the government.

HerrKuehn

khalessi wrote: »

In this country we are trying to get the churches out of schools. The have handed a few back over the last few years.

Was listening to the radio during the week and Catholic schools can no longer use a baptism cert as an entry requirement but Muslim, Jewish and Protestant schools still can. So it is a journey but we are getting there and also while increasing the number of Educate Together schools.

Meanwhile all schools need to be funded properly by the government.

According to the Schools Admissions Act they have until 2021/2022 to change their admissions policies. You are correct that minority religion schools do not have to change admissions policies. When they get around to making the changes I would be willing to support increased funding. They haven't done it yet though so I will wait

Lillyfae

khalessi wrote: »

Oh yeah heard ya the firstime, yeah and as you fail to comprehend the TUI rep said they had not asked their members so in that case they are not representing the view of teachers

It's what I said right here:

Lillyfae wrote: »

Again, TUI representatives are elected by TUI members (teachers) to represent them. It might not be your union, but all union representatives are elected by their members. I accept that this wasn't a request from TUI members, but maybe they should choose their representatives more carefully.

khalessi wrote: »

Have you thought about contacting th TUI rep in question with your opinion, i am only sure he would be delighted.

TUI like governments not all of the elected give what they promise

It's actually not what my union is saying and my profession isn't being represented by the TUI. So I would suggest that the TUI members take it up with him because he's representing them very poorly.

eagle eye

Lillyfae wrote:

Again, TUI representatives are elected by TUI members (teachers) to represent them. It might not be your union, but all union representatives are elected by their members. I accept that this wasn't a request from TUI members, but maybe they should choose their representatives more carefully.

You post has an agenda which is either anti-teacher or anti-union or maybe just anti-TUI.

Which is it?

combat14

just watching rte lunchtime news and george lee says that covid r number has gone from 0.6 back up to about 1 again

people are not taking lockdown seriously apparently

no mention of schools but surely has to be a factor after almost a month of level 5 lockdown...

Lillyfae

eagle eye wrote: »

You post has an agenda which is either anti-teacher or anti-union or maybe just anti-TUI.

Which is it?

I think the unions aren't pushing the actual issues they should be pushing enough, and instead focusing on pay rises and extra paid holidays. I think they should be pushing better school infrastructure and facilities. There's no agenda, that's my opinion.

But it is true that the union representatives are elected by members, and if they go rogue on issues not important to their members, they shouldn't be re-elected.

meeeeh

khalessi wrote: »

Oh yeah heard ya the firstime, yeah and as you fail to comprehend the TUI rep said they had not asked their members so in that case they are not representing the view of teachers no matter how many times you like to correct me. Have you thought about contacting th TUI rep in question with your opinion, i am only sure he would be delighted.

TUI like governments not all of the elected give what they promise

I think TUI had some requests from some of their members but I accept that it was probably in no way majority and they certainly didn't ask all their members about it. At least that's what I got from that car crash of an interview. It certainly wasn't thought out idea. Apparently ASTI were floating something similar but considering how quiet they are regarding that today I suspect majority reaction of their own members wasn't encouraging.

Frankly if they came up with it a bit sooner after proper consultation of their members (you don't need a vote, just the their school reps to do a bit of a chat with members) and suggested closing and coming back 2 days earlier I think it would be perfectly reasonable suggestion.

SusanC10

Just got Email from our Primary School with Confirmed Case. 1st Case. HSE has deemed No Close Contacts at all in the School.
What does this mean ?
Was the child not in school for a certain period ?

wirelessdude01

I see Norma's masterstroke now is that students can have one night off homework. What a dose of a minister.

Doesn't she realise that teachers can decide not to give homework whenever they want? What about all those schools who decided this year not to give any written homework anyway to try and reduce the stress with home life?

HerrKuehn

SusanC10 wrote: »

Just got Email from our Primary School with Confirmed Case. 1st Case. HSE has deemed No Close Contacts at all in the School.
What does this mean ?
Was the child not in school for a certain period ?

I have no idea how they determine close contacts. There was a confirmed case in my child's class and everyone was deemed a close contact. They have all been tested and remain off school for a couple of weeks.

wirelessdude01

SusanC10 wrote: »

Just got Email from our Primary School with Confirmed Case. 1st Case. HSE has deemed No Close Contacts at all in the School.
What does this mean ?
Was the child not in school for a certain period ?

Thats generally what it means or that they deemed there was enough ventilation or the children near were all wearing masks.

wirelessdude01

HerrKuehn wrote: »

I have no idea how they determine close contacts. There was a confirmed case in my child's class and everyone was deemed a close contact. They have all been tested and remain off school for a couple of weeks.

Gonna guess if that was in lri ary that it's a junior class.

HerrKuehn

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Gonna guess if that was in lri ary that it's a junior class.

1st class

wirelessdude01

HerrKuehn wrote: »

1st class

No pods(useless as they are) and no social distancing implemented as dictated by The Dept.

Marty Bird

SusanC10 wrote: »

Just got Email from our Primary School with Confirmed Case. 1st Case. HSE has deemed No Close Contacts at all in the School.
What does this mean ?
Was the child not in school for a certain period ?

Ask public Heath these questions they have a helpline for this.

HerrKuehn

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

No pods(useless as they are) and no social distancing implemented as dictated by The Dept.

I am not sure what the logic is but I assume there must be some.