Amazed by people buying new oil burners right now

secman

That doesnt change the fact that MOST people should NOT be buying BRAND NEW ICE cars now, they will lose their b0llix[/quote]

With the advancement in EV people are losing their b0llix on older versions, a mate of mine had to hold on to a Nissan EV as he was offered pittance for it after 3 to 4 years. 2 sides to the coin.

Gumbo

secman wrote: »

With the advancement in EV people are losing their b0llix on older versions, a mate of mine had to hold on to a Nissan EV as he was offered pittance for it after 3 to 4 years. 2 sides to the coin

And on the flip side, I’ve profited from both EV’s ive had in the past. On my 3rd now but don’t know how that will fair out just yet.

But I don’t buy new.

cnocbui

Gumbo wrote: »

And on the flip side, I’ve profited from both EV’s ive had in the past. On my 3rd now but don’t know how that will fair out just yet.

But I don’t buy new.

Over what period of time have you owned 3 EV's, if you don't mind my asking?

Gumbo

cnocbui wrote: »

Over what period of time have you owned 3 EV's, if you don't mind my asking?

Driving a work fluence and Kangoo (Both EV’s) since 2012.
Bought my own EV in March 2017. Sold and bought about him January 2019. Sold that and bought another in June 2020.

lalababa

lalababa wrote: »

Evs are no good to my brother as he has to cut silage with a diesel...up a hill..whilst pulling 10 ton ..all day...before the rain...etc...ad nauseum ��

LOl, it will be a long time before we see hydrogen tractors, diesel will power big things like that for at least 20 years to come I think.

There's so many things, think of all the diesel powered pumps, cranes, diggers etc etc, the smaller things can be powered by battery such as water pumps, the really amazing thing I still see today on sites are diesel powered lights, that's really funny sh1t in 2020 almost 2021, People have to breath in this crap fumes but all this could be easily replaced by battery or fuel cell.

Cyrus

MadYaker wrote: »

The charging hassle is an issue for people though. You like the idea of EVs so you’re prepared to put up with it. I’m not. I like doing long European road trips (or at least I used to) and I do a lot of hiking, camping and kayaking in remote areas at weekends. I don’t always have a particular route or destination in mind and I can’t be arsed having to plan it all out because my car has to be plugged in for a few hours before it can do another 400km. It doesn’t suit my lifestyle and until ranges double, charging times are down to about 20 minutes and there’s chargers everywhere I’m not interested. Even going to visit family and having to ask them if I can plug my car in so I can drive home again would make me feel like a dope.

Again your a fringe case if 400km range in Ireland doesn’t suit you. As for feeling like a dope can’t help you with that I suppose.

There are very few ice cars with 800km range yet an ev would need to be able to achieve this to make you cross over ?

Kramer

MadYaker wrote: »

I like doing long European road trips.............another 400km. It doesn’t suit my lifestyle.........I’m not interested.

Have you any concern for the polar bear though, now on a nebulizer, because of your wanton destruction of the planet? Or our kids future?
Your desire to drive thousands of kilometres in a polluting vehicle, doesn't outweigh greater society's entitlement to clean air to breath & a future for our kids.

This is where governments will act & tax you & your heavily polluting lifestyles out of existence .

[too strong??]

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secman

secman wrote: »

That doesnt change the fact that MOST people should NOT be buying BRAND NEW ICE cars now, they will lose their b0llix
With the advancement in EV people are losing their b0llix on older versions, a mate of mine had to hold on to a Nissan EV as he was offered pittance for it after 3 to 4 years. 2 sides to the coin.

That's why I bought my Leaf on PCP because I was protected, however, after my PCP was up Nissan PCP was completely different they priced it so that the monthly payments were much higher and the GFMV much lower than mine was meaning the buyer took most of the risk on the car because if you're left with a ridiculous 5K GFMV you know the dealer is fooling you on PCP.

PCP is designed for low monthly payments with high GFMV, if you're doing 45-50K Kms a year like I am it's much less attractive obviously because the depreciation will be higher but like this PCP on the i3 Rex the GFMV is 15K so this is 15K I do not have to pay back or pay it off if I want to pay back the car.

Some lower mileage drivers may have had a 25K GFMW if they drove much less than I do which means their monthly payments are much less meaning they pay a lot less than if they got bank loan etc.

cnocbui

Gumbo wrote: »

Driving a work fluence and Kangoo (Both EV’s) since 2012.
Bought my own EV in March 2017. Sold and bought about him January 2019. Sold that and bought another in June 2020.

I have owned only two cars over the past 23 years - both petrol and second hand. My current car I have had for 13 years. It has seen me take my kids to and from PS, HS and in the case of my son, 4 years of University in Dublin, which requred several trips a year from Limerick to Dublin and back with a large load of stuff, all on one tank of fuel with no need to stop and refuel.

I have noticed most EV owners on boards seem to change cars ever couple of years. They must be really good.

Gumbo

Gumbo wrote: »

And on the flip side, I’ve profited from both EV’s ive had in the past. On my 3rd now but don’t know how that will fair out just yet.

But I don’t buy new.

Plenty people profit on ICE cars also.

liamog

cnocbui wrote: »

I have noticed most EV owners on boards seem to change cars ever couple of years. They must be really good.

EVs are still very much in the innovators phase of adoption on the early adopter curve, this stage is populated by people who aren't afraid of new things and change. They often want the shiny new thing and aren't as adverse to risk of buying the wrong thing.
We're now entering the early adopters phase, these are people who don't want to be on the cutting edge but still like to be ahead of the curve. These people are still likely to regularly upgrade but on a much more deliberate cycle.

Gumbo

cnocbui wrote: »

I have owned only two cars over the past 23 years - both petrol and second hand. My current car I have had for 13 years. It has seen me take my kids to and from PS, HS and in the case of my son, 4 years of University in Dublin, which requred several trips a year from Limerick to Dublin and back with a large load of stuff, all on one tank of fuel with no need to stop and refuel.

I have noticed most EV owners on boards seem to change cars ever couple of years. They must be really good.

I’ve owned about 23 cars over the years. Since 2012, I’ve also had E36 325i, Skoda Fabia VRs, Audi S3, Bmw 535d, E46 320d, E90 320d, E39 530d, E60 525d.

Most EV drivers DO NOT change cars that often. Most ICE drivers DO NOT change cars that often. But there’s a few of us in here now that we’re in the motors main forum for years before the current crop in there (Unkel for example).

And to show my lack of loyalty to all things German, I’ve had EK Civic, EK9 Civic Type R, DC2 Integra Type R, Evo 5. I even had an EP3 Civic Type R for a very short space if time.

Shortest car I’ve had was a Mk4 Golf Gti. 24 hours.
In fact the longest car I’ve owned was the 2014 Leaf so that really goes against your statement.

Gumbo

Augeo wrote: »

Plenty people profit on ICE cars also.

Trust me, I know

cnocbui

Gumbo wrote: »

I’ve owned about 23 cars over the years. Since 2012, I’ve also had E36 325i, Skoda Fabia VRs, Audi S3, Bmw 535d, E46 320d, E90 320d, E39 530d, E60 525d.

Most EV drivers DO NOT change cars that often. Most ICE drivers DO NOT change cars that often. But there’s a few of us in here now that we’re in the motors main forum for years before the current crop in there (Unkel for example).

And to show my lack of loyalty tonal things German, I’ve had EK Civic, EK9 Civic Type R, DC2 Integra Type R, Evo 5. I even had an EP3 Civic Type R for a very short space if time.

Shortest car I’ve had was a Mk4 Golf Gti. 24 hours.
In fact the longest car I’ve owned was the 2014 Leaf so that really goes against your statement.

I currently drive an EP3. I owned and drove a Fiat (Pininfarina) 130 coupe for about a decade, one of the most beautiful and elegant cars ever made. Only 4,491 were built.

meeeeh

Yeah you look at Pininfarina cars and you look at chicken coup on four wheels trend Nissan started and it almost makes you cry.

Snotty

The local car dealership here posts pictures of all the newer buyers picking up their new cars in Facebook, the retired age segment is in the majority, going on looks alone, I make it 6 out of last 10 pictures.
Many of these people just won't do the mileage to save the money to make the initial extra outlay for EV worthwhile.
Add commercial vehicles, people with specialist needs and people who just won't take the risk on EV until its more proven, it's pretty simple to see why EV is in the minority of new car sales.
I'm sure another government incentive from the green will give EV a boost, will it be a comparable boost that diesel got in 2008, I doubt it, but it will be a push in that direction.

cnocbui

meeeeh wrote: »

Yeah you look at Pininfarina cars and you look at chicken coup on four wheels trend Nissan started and it almost makes you cry.

Modern cars with stupid creases down the sides and angles shoved in everywhere just for the hell of it and as little glass as the manufacturer can get away with turn my stomach.

The other day I got out of my EP3 to find I was next to a Renault Zoe. What a soul destroying piece of ... I think my eyes were about level with it's roof.

This is how I used to roll:





I'm not aginst change or afraid of it, I would absolutely love an EV; If it had a decent power source, which Li-ion batteries aren't.

OH Lord in Heaven.......^^^^^^

Gumbo

cnocbui wrote: »

I currently drive an EP3. I owned and drove a Fiat (Pininfarina) 130 coupe for about a decade, one of the most beautiful and elegant cars ever made. Only 4,491 were built.

Loved the EP3 Type R.
Believe it or not it was my third EP.
I had a 2002 1.4 Type S and then when I sold that my wife bought a 2004 1.6 SOHC Type S.

The division that EP range caused because of the gearstick on the dash is similar to the EV v ICE debate but once one drove it, it felt so right.

I very nearly K20’d my Integra but sold that to get the Evo.

Black_Knight

Snotty wrote: »

The local car dealership here posts pictures of all the newer buyers picking up their new cars in Facebook, the retired age segment is in the majority, going on looks alone, I make it 6 out of last 10 pictures.
Many of these people just won't do the mileage to save the money to make the initial extra outlay for EV worthwhile.
Add commercial vehicles, people with specialist needs and people who just won't take the risk on EV until its more proven, it's pretty simple to see why EV is in the minority of new car sales.
I'm sure another government incentive from the green will give EV a boost, will it be a comparable boost that diesel got in 2008, I doubt it, but it will be a push in that direction.

I've noticed something similar. EVs are easier to drive I guess, so that lends itself to that generation, wanting a bit more comfort in the daily drive.

Mules

fricatus wrote: »

Anyone telling you EVs can’t tow are probably trying to sell you a diesel.

Granted the choice right now is not great, and it definitely affects range, but if you’re serious about an EV and have to tow, you should do your homework based on what’s on the market plus what you tow and how far.

AFAIK, a towbar will be an option on the Tesla Model Y, which will be within many people’s budgets next year. Also if you’re driving big mileage, an EV offers bigger savings, which offset the purchase price. I do 35,000 km a year in an EV for about €400 fuel cost.

Anyway, check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sphfAOfHnT8

Its not that they can't tow, some can but those ones are very expensive. I've never bought a car newer than 10 years old so you can imagine how much the likes of me are willing to spend. The ones for towing would have to come down in price and be available as dependable second hand buys before I could realistically get one. I do like the idea of them though.

We're much better off moving away from hydrocarbons while we can plan for the future rather than waiting for them to run out.

What bothers me more is all the rubbish that consumerism creates. There's rivers full of plastic in some countries. A lot of what we recycle is buried in landfills in China. If we got back to buying good quality things that we need rather than cheap crap that we don't need the environment would be in a much better shape.

elperello

Mules wrote: »

Its not that they can't tow, some can but those ones are very expensive. I've never bought a car newer than 10 years old so you can imagine how much the likes of me are willing to spend. The ones for towing would have to come down in price and be available as dependable second hand buys before I could realistically get one.

Which is why it makes no sense to tax existing cars off the road.

You and other buyers like you need them.

The Government needs to do an in-depth analysis of the secondhand market before they walk us into a situation where people can't get the cars they need in 8-10 years time.

tom1ie

I’m up around 20k mileage for the year so far and didn’t drive March April.

I do a **** load of mileage and regularly do 400km round trips daily.
An ev just wouldn’t do it for me as it doesn’t have the range unless I went for a Tesla which is far too expensive.

Nah I’ll be keeping my 2011 diesel insignia for another while and getting her serviced on the button.

Busman Paddy Lasty

tom1ie wrote: »

I’m up around 20k mileage for the year so far and didn’t drive March April.

I do a **** load of mileage and regularly do 400km round trips daily.
An ev just wouldn’t do it for me as it doesn’t have the range unless I went for a Tesla which is far too expensive.

Nah I’ll be keeping my 2011 diesel insignia for another while and getting her serviced on the button.

Are those 400km trips high speed motorway runs? It's still hard to beat diesel there without Supercharger or Ionity network.

I'm up to 30k (eNiro) with no driving during April and May. It's very easy with 60+ kWh battery cars. The 400km runs will only need one charge if your doing motorway speeds. Cost will come down as more VW and other makes hit the market next year.

Lumen

Busman Paddy Lasty wrote: »

Are those 400km trips high speed motorway runs? It's still hard to beat diesel there without Supercharger or Ionity network.

I'm up to 30k (eNiro) with no driving during April and May. It's very easy with 60+ kWh battery cars. The 400km runs will only need one charge if your doing motorway speeds. Cost will come down as more VW and other makes hit the market next year.

The ID.3 would do that OK, you'd only need a 10 minute stop at Ionity to add 75km of range to get you home.

10 minute stopped in over 400km is only adding 5% to the journey time, even if you didn't need to stop for other reasons.

Of course if a key requirement is that the car was bought new ten years ago you're a bit screwed.

Silent Running

Lumen wrote: »

The ID.3 would do that OK, you'd only need a 10 minute stop at Ionity to add 75km of range to get you home.

10 minute stopped in over 400km is only adding 5% to the journey time, even if you didn't need to stop for other reasons.

Of course if a key requirement is that the car was bought new ten years ago you're a bit screwed.

I reckon the ID.3 tour would easily do it without a stop, and it's cheaper than the Max with the smaller battery. Only a 4 seater though, and no glass roof.

Lumen

Silent Running wrote: »

I reckon the ID.3 tour would easily do it without a stop, and it's cheaper than the Max with the smaller battery. Only a 4 seater though, and no glass roof.

It won't cut silage either. Hopeless.

Busman Paddy Lasty

Lumen wrote: »

The ID.3 would do that OK, you'd only need a 10 minute stop at Ionity to add 75km of range to get you home.

10 minute stopped in over 400km is only adding 5% to the journey time, even if you didn't need to stop for other reasons.

Of course if a key requirement is that the car was bought new ten years ago you're a bit screwed.

100% agree, it's very efficient and on the shortlist for us. Even an hour AC charging during the work day and you can skip the DC charge. We had to stop twice coming back from Kerry but only one charge. EV range greater than bladder range.

Black_Knight

Black_Knight wrote: »

I've noticed something similar. EVs are easier to drive I guess, so that lends itself to that generation, wanting a bit more comfort in the daily drive.

He's saying that generation aren't buying ev but they are buying 6 out of 10 new cars a particular dealer sells

Lumen

Augeo wrote: »

He's saying that generation aren't buying ev but they are buying 6 out of 10 new cars a particular dealer sells

Round where I live the Leaf is the geriatric weapon of choice.