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    #212
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »
    A shop window is a beast? Lol, that sounds very far-fetched, a beast in every shop window and it's not even Halloween yet, lol.
    This is 'digital identifer' that is all, and it's only comparable context is in regards it's use in China (see above).
    Calm down chaps.
    No. You believe that these things, such as microchips being implanted in people have been predicted by the bible and that they are the "mark of the beast".

    We still just don't understand why you keep pretending this isn't the case.
    You're already at zero credibility. What's the harm in being honest about your beliefs for a change?


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    #213
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Dionaibh wrote: »
    The inventors of the Irish health passport have the whole population in mind for their diabolical app.

    The link I just put up was to the New Zealand national health passport. It can be used nationally.

    Right. What does this alleged "diabolical app" do exactly and what is it's purpose (made-up stuff and conspiracy links will be ignored, solid information only backed by evidence)

    If you are unable to process basic information without imbuing paranoia into it at every step, no one can help you with that.


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    #214
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    The link I just put up was to the New Zealand national health passport. It can be used nationally.

    Right. What does this alleged "diabolical app" do exactly and what is it's purpose (made-up stuff and conspiracy links will be ignored, solid information only backed by evidence)

    If you are unable to process basic information without imbuing paranoia into it at every step, no one can help you with that.

    If the light flashes red you can't enter the stop, restaurant, the stadium, the hospital, can't travel. Basically can't do anything. It's practically identical to the Chinese social credit system, only it's not based upon behaviour, but health. In many ways, the Chinese social credit system could potentially allow for more freedom than the health passport. Just pretend to be a good obedient citizen and you'll be able to take part in society. But unless you test negative for the world's worst virus, the one with the 99.9% survival rate, you can't really do anything.

    Watch the video for Healthpassport Ireland on YouTube. The inventors talk about it being able to be used for every aspect of everyday life.


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    #215
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Dionaibh wrote: »
    If the light flashes red you can't enter the stop, restaurant, the stadium, the hospital, can't travel.

    The app displays your status, if it's red, what does that mean? think.


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    #216
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 18,977 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Dionaibh wrote: »
    This is not a pandemic.
    Dionaibh wrote: »
    The purpose of masks, in my opinion, is to dehumanise people and to prepare people for not being able to enter shops, public buildings, or use public transport unless vaccinated, or, worse, unless their health passport flashes green.
    Dionaibh wrote: »
    But do you know how far-reaching The Great Reset is? They're talking about resetting every aspect of human behaviour and society.


    :pac:

    You killed any credibility you thought you may have had.


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    #217
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    King Mob wrote: »
    No. You believe that these things, such as microchips being implanted in people have been predicted by the bible and that they are the "mark of the beast".
    Why are you still parading this pretend falsehood of fake news?

    Even after this flasehood (of yours) has been has been clarifed approx 52 times now i.e. I don't believe in such a claim as you stated.

    A simple QR code isn't a chip. It's as simple as that.

    In fact, there are zero chip impants for speculated use, directly in regards to the topic at hand (covid). Really not sure what this fasination you have with microchips is all about. Thus, you are now at minus zero credibility for pushing such a concept, even after it keeps being clarified.


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    #218
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Right. What does this alleged "diabolical app" do exactly and what is it's purpose
    Very simply, it's a digital identifer of the person, and all/any context that is evoked from that concept e.g. monitoring, location services, activity, health status etc. It's possibilities are endless.

    China uses QRCodes with ambundance, but mainly for the folks it wants to control and severely monitor e.g. Uyghur Muslims.

    As well as having them on all access points (doors, lifts), to their buildings, QR codes have even started appearing (as a requirement, and at a cost), on their tools, and simple kitchen cutlery which are also subject to track and trace.

    https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/authorities-require-uyghurs-in-xinjiangs-aksu-to-get-barcodes-on-their-knives-10112017143950.html


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    #219
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,890 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    There is no minus zero, there is only zero. There is no negative zero that appears in the negative set, and zero appears in the non-negative set, eg. x >= 0

    sorry but that irked me


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    #220
    storker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,646 ✭✭✭storker


    Dionaibh wrote: »
    But do you know how far-reaching The Great Reset is? They're talking about resetting every aspect of human behaviour and society.

    Please provide simple, clear, concise answers to these questions, without referring to videos, websites or other publications:
    • What do you understand "the great reset" to consist of?
    • What does "resetting every aspect of human behaviour" actually mean? Reset to what? The moment of emergence from the womb? Please explain.
    • What purpose does "the great reset" serve?
    • Who is behind it and how will they benefit?
    • Who was behind the original proposal, who long did it take to reach its present form and how are they selling it to others who they want to get on board?


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    #221
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »
    Why are you still parading this pretend falsehood of fake news?
    Yea...
    Notice how fast and direct you are when you want to correct me on this.
    But when we point out your conspiracy theory is religiously based on a belief in the supernatural prophesies of the Bible, you dodge and evade and become very vague.

    Weird that...


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    #222
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    storker wrote: »
    Please provide simple, clear, concise answers to these questions, without referring to videos, websites or other publications:
    • What do you understand "the great reset" to consist of?
    • What does "resetting every aspect of human behaviour" actually mean? Reset to what? The moment of emergence from the womb? Please explain.
    • What purpose does "the great reset" serve?
    • Who is behind it and how will they benefit?
    • Who was behind the original proposal, who long did it take to reach its present form and how are they selling it to others who they want to get on board?

    1. The ushering in of a techno tyranny, and global control of humanity. The health passport is just the beginning.

    2. Limit human activity. COVID-19 is being used to reduce human contact in an attempt to destroy our natural instincts. It's also being used to flatten the "climate change curve. The head of WHO said a couple of months ago that it was time to flatten the 'climate curve'. He also said the world would not be going back to the 'old normal'. We need his permission it seems.

    3. See point 1.

    4. The World Economic Forum. They will benefit by resetting (destroying) capitalism and replacing it with socialism. They will benefit by being able to control human beings and how we live.

    5. WEF. I don't know how long, but they first started talking about in June. But I imagine they had been working on it for a long. Schwab, in an interview in January, lamented the fact that the US stock market was booming. A couple of months later it crashes. Another coincidence to add to the list.

    https://www.pressenza.com/2020/06/the-elites-covid-19-coup-to-destroy-humanity-that-is-also-fast-tracking-four-paths-to-human-extinction/

    An interesting article.


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    #223
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »
    Very simply, it's a digital identifer of the person, and all/any context that is evoked from that concept e.g. monitoring, location services, activity, health status etc. It's possibilities are endless.

    China uses QRCodes with ambundance, but mainly for the folks it wants to control and severely monitor e.g. Uyghur Muslims.

    As well as having them on all access points (doors, lifts), to their buildings, QR codes have even started appearing (as a requirement, and at a cost), on their tools, and simple kitchen cutlery which are also subject to track and trace.

    https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/authorities-require-uyghurs-in-xinjiangs-aksu-to-get-barcodes-on-their-knives-10112017143950.html

    It's frightening. I have no idea why anybody would support a health passport.


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    #224
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMGlEuZy68g

    A warning from Dan.


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    #225
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »
    Very simply, it's a digital identifer of the person, and all/any context that is evoked from that concept e.g. monitoring, location services, activity, health status etc. It's possibilities are endless.

    So if a Covid vaccine becomes available, one funded by Gates, and I go to my GP to get this vaccine

    1. You've claimed I am getting a digital identifier, with my knowledge or without?

    2. What is the purpose of this digital identifier exactly?

    I am not interested in your speculation or imagination. Just proper information.


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    #226
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    So if a Covid vaccine becomes available, one funded by Gates, and I go to my GP to get this vaccine
    1. You've claimed I am getting a digital identifier, with my knowledge or without?
    2. What is the purpose of this digital identifier exactly?
    This has generally been clarified previously.

    A traditional needle-based vaccine isn't in itself a digital identifer, regardless of whom ever funds it, sure how can it be?

    Now the complimentary, envisaged, and current 'best of class' immunity certification' part (as developed by MIT, funded by Gates) however... and by it's very own Patent description, is not only a scanable data storage mark (storing a health type passport, {not much different than a QRCode}). It is also described as an 'identifer of the subject(person)', most likely using a simple UnID and 2nd stage pairing, before encrypted blockchain (e.g. Azure cloud) processing.

    The current product (WO2019018301A1) developed by McHugh's team, is under enhancment (increased storage and persistance), of which you may not likely see this year, perhaps not early next year, but whenever large scale manufacturing for a finalised (multi-dose and annual) vaccine candidate is ready for this (new method of delivery). There is also global regional priority areas to account for i.e. the developing world, over the Western world.

    Of course this QDT (quantum dot tattoo {published as WO2019018301A1}) could tecnhically be delivered on it's own, but makes more sense to combine with vaccine as per is it's original design, brief and proposed solution.

    At whatever point this delivery mechanism becomes available (again not immediate for the Western world), you will be aware (perhaps not fully informed though), simply due to it's method of application i.e. a plaster-patch type product. no needles/jabs. Unless of course you want to classify nano (nm) sized array of points as needles.

    Now if you have to ask what is the purpose of a 'digital identifer' of the person, (and their medical & vaccine records), then ask yourself:

    i) What is the need for immunity certification {clearly for travel and access to services}, and
    ii) what is the need for the introduction of QRCodes in the coming weeks (clearly to track/monitor and validate your health status)

    Note this coming technique of QR scanned using user's (smart)phones is flawed for several reasons, from the getgo you need a smartphone, that is yours, that is charged, in credit, and that has BTLE available (not in flightmode) for beacons and so on.

    Summary: Instead of the user scanning a visual code, the point of entry/service/purchase would be more reliable, by scanning the 'subject/user' for much better and more accurate cloud verification and status processing, it also allows 2nd stage pairing validation.


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    #227
    patnor1011
    Registered Users Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    And this happens with normal vaccine research. They have halted the process while they investigate, which shows normal vaccine research precautions are being followed. It could turn out that this one person's reactions are unrelated (there are up to 10's of thousands of participants enrolled)

    The fact that you've highlighted this as an issue, which is quite routine, shows that you already apparently have preconceived notions. The fact that you've stated you aren't going to take it further demonstrates that bias.

    With no medical knowledge, some people seem to be picking lines in the sand e.g. less than 3 years = Not OK, more than 3 years research = OK. As if they have some professional handle on the processes involved and how much they can be streamlined without impacting the safety.

    That's your opinion, fine, but I don't see any sound logic behind it any more than a vague lay-person's view of "its being fast-tracked so I don't trust it"

    You are ommiting one very serious issue. Problem is not rushed science as you mentioned earlier it can happen working more shifts and so on.
    Problem is possible long term effects which can develop after some time. That is why it takes so long to approve any new vaccine or drug. This simply can not be fast forwarded. Any safety or danger can only be stated after time required will pass which is usually years.
    This combined with simple fact that most of new vaccines development are going to use new technology is what make a lot of people uneasy. Thalidomide comes to mind as easy example how it took quite a few months for adverse reaction to manifest and even then it was dismissed for quite a long time.

    Talk about conspiracy, overlords, marks of the beast is just convenient way how to suppress legitimate questions about for example who is going to be responsible if god forbid something goes wrong. There is a lot of money at stake and even more money to be made. If vaccines efficiency will not be long lasting (as was already hinted) and will result in multiple or yearly requirement with just couple euros profit on each dose there are multiple billions to be made for every company which will put it out first.


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    #228
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »
    This has generally been clarified previously.

    A traditional needle-based vaccine isn't in itself a digital identifer, regardless of whom ever funds it, sure how can it be?

    Now the complimentary, envisaged, and current 'best of class' immunity certification' part (as developed by MIT, funded by Gates) however... and by it's very own Patent description, is not only a scanable data storage mark (storing a health type passport, {not much different than a QRCode}). It is also described as an 'identifer of the subject(person)', most likely using a simple UnID and 2nd stage pairing, before encrypted blockchain (e.g. Azure cloud) processing.

    The current product (WO2019018301A1) developed by McHugh's team, is under enhancment (increased storage and persistance), of which you may not likely see this year, perhaps not early next year, but whenever large scale manufacturing for a finalised (multi-dose and annual) vaccine candidate is ready for this (new method of delivery). There is also global regional priority areas to account for i.e. the developing world, over the Western world.

    Of course this QDT (quantum dot tattoo {published as WO2019018301A1}) could tecnhically be delivered on it's own, but makes more sense to combine with vaccine as per is it's original design, brief and proposed solution.

    At whatever point this delivery mechanism becomes available (again not immediate for the Western world), you will be aware (perhaps not fully informed though), simply due to it's method of application i.e. a plaster-patch type product. no needles/jabs. Unless of course you want to classify nano (nm) sized array of points as needles.

    Now if you have to ask what is the purpose of a 'digital identifer' of the person, (and their medical & vaccine records), then ask yourself:

    i) What is the need for immunity certification {clearly for travel and access to services}, and
    ii) what is the need for the introduction of QRCodes in the coming weeks (clearly to track/monitor and validate your health status)

    Note this coming technique of QR scanned using user's (smart)phones is flawed for several reasons, from the getgo you need a smartphone, that is yours, that is charged, in credit, and that has BTLE available (not in flightmode) for beacons and so on.

    Summary: Instead of the user scanning a visual code, the point of entry/service/purchase would be more reliable, by scanning the 'subject/user' for much better and more accurate cloud verification and status processing, it also allows 2nd stage pairing validation.

    You didn't answer the questions properly, you didn't confirm anything, this is all just your personal speculation (some random person on the internet) based on your personal interpretation of the world.


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    #229
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    patnor1011 wrote: »
    You are ommiting one very serious issue. Problem is not rushed science as you mentioned earlier it can happen working more shifts and so on.
    Problem is possible long term effects which can develop after some time. That is why it takes so long to approve any new vaccine or drug. This simply can not be fast forwarded. Any safety or danger can only be stated after time required will pass which is usually years.

    I was replying to a poster claiming they would never take the vaccine - which doesn't make any sense. Because in 5 years time or 10 years time, it would have undergone the same long-term tests as other vaccines.


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    #230
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    You didn't answer the questions...properly
    You didn't read the answers properly, or failed to process information of a 'slightly technical' nature. This is all science based fact, via the abstract, drawings and description of a published product patent (which you also failed to read). There also appears to be a failure to process the MIT Press Release on their findings of the QDT including use and application thereof.

    You own simple and personal view of the world, and early dismassal of all data, is thus irrelevant to factual information presented, and for that there is solution, other than continued deflection, dismissal and mis-direction.


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    #231
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »
    'slightly technical' nature.
    You say "slightly technical".
    Rational people say poor writing and technobabble.

    Speaking of deflection, dismissal and mis-direction, notice how you still pretend as if your theory wasn't religious in nature?


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    #232
    [Deleted User]
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    Dionaibh wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMGlEuZy68g

    A warning from Dan.

    Utter nonsense. I need to stop myself keeping tabs on this conspiracy nonsense. It just infuriated me listening to that. Some article says yellow badges might happen, therefore we are back to "NEVER AGAIN" concentration camps. I've never heard so much complete and utter bull****. It's infuriating that people are lapping this up.


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    #233
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,433 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »
    You didn't read the answers properly, or failed to process information of a 'slightly technical' nature. This is all science based fact, via the abstract, drawings and description of a published product patent (which you also failed to read). There also appears to be a failure to process the MIT Press Release on their findings of the QDT including use and application thereof.

    You own simple and personal view of the world, and early dismassal of all data, is thus irrelevant to factual information presented, and for that there is solution, other than continued deflection, dismissal and mis-direction.

    Isn't there a dedicated thread for this subject? Has that gone dead and so you have decided to spam it into all of the other threads now?


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    #234
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »
    You didn't read the answers properly, or failed to process information of a 'slightly technical' nature.

    You bury your own personal vague conspiracy notions in technical waffle and whataboutery, without directly answering questions

    To demonstrate

    1. If I go to a doctor tomorrow to get a Covid vaccine (that was funded by Bill Gates), am I getting a normal vaccine or am I getting something else?

    2. What is that something else exactly? (speculation, made-up stuff will be ignored)

    You will either claim you've already answered (you haven't), write out a page of speculation or not answer/ignore


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    #235
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    King Mob wrote: »
    Speaking of deflection, dismissal and mis-direction, notice how you still pretend as if your theory wasn't religious in nature?

    Yes indeed (eyeroll), and speaking of deflection, dismissal and mis-direction, notice how you still pretend that this is all 'something, something, something religious'.

    AFAIK there is nothing (directly) linking a simple the Gates funded Quantum Dot Tattoo, to any holy type texts, to the direct matter of the issue of 'immunity certifications', at (or post) covid vaccine applicaiton.

    Perhaps there is some contextual association (not direct, but interesting all the same), in regards to other future (unrealised) Microsft patent, but none for this particular Gates/MIT owned patent.
    You appear to know otherwise, so feel free to start a thread elsewhere, on that, whatever 'your own' crazy conspiracy theory is.

    This thread is as per it's title, a safe-space for all things related to a rushed Covid 19 vaccine (see ttile).

    Clearly any covid 19 vaccine will have to use some method of record keeping wjen used, either by the new 'health passort' QR codes (scanable by phone), or by Gate's better, recommended and Patented solution of a QR type scanable code, more reliable (scanable) as a subject embodiment.


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    #236
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Utter nonsense. I need to stop myself keeping tabs on this conspiracy nonsense. It just infuriated me listening to that. Some article says yellow badges might happen, therefore we are back to "NEVER AGAIN" concentration camps. I've never heard so much complete and utter bull****. It's infuriating that people are lapping this up.

    Why do you think Dan reckons the signs are there?


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    #237
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    without directly answering questions
    Read post #226.


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    #238
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »
    Read post #226.

    Techno waffle and personal speculation are completely meaningless, you didn't answer the questions properly.


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    #239
    [Deleted User]
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    Dionaibh wrote: »
    Why do you think Dan reckons the signs are there?

    I know very little about Dan. He's clearly paranoid from that video. Jumping wildly to conclusions with very little evidence to support if any. Adding up 2+2=5 left, right and center. Conspiracy is comforting. It explains the unexplainable in a neat fashion. Humans are very good at seeing patterns where they aren't necessarily there. The most obvious example would be religion. The truth is, we don't have all the answers. I think people gravitate away from that because it's more terrifying.

    From reading this thread, I think you are also like that. I wonder some day will you realise that you've fallen off the end with the conspiracy theories and look back on this time with a laugh.


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    #240
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »
    AFAIK there is nothing (directly) linking a simple the Gates funded Quantum Dot Tattoo, to any holy type texts,
    But you believe that the bible predicted this.
    You believe all of this because you think the bible predicted it.
    You bend over in knots to try and make things fit the biblical prophesy.

    You believe that Bill Gates is part of a secret satanic plot.

    Again, you will jump down people's throats to correct them if they say anything about "microchips" but you keep avoiding this.
    Because it's true.
    Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »
    This thread is as per it's title, a safe-space for all things related to a rushed Covid 19 vaccine (see ttile).
    Yes, and as I predicted, the bizarre, paranoid conspiracy nonsense drowned out the reasonable concerns.


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    #241
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I know very little about Dan. He's clearly paranoid from that video. Jumping wildly to conclusions with very little evidence to support if any. Adding up 2+2=5 left, right and center. Conspiracy is comforting. It explains the unexplainable in a neat fashion. Humans are very good at seeing patterns where they aren't necessarily there. The most obvious example would be religion. The truth is, we don't have all the answers. I think people gravitate away from that because it's more terrifying.

    From reading this thread, I think you are also like that. I wonder some day will you realise that you've fallen off the end with the conspiracy theories and look back on this time with a laugh.

    I hope I do. I truly hope I do.

    I think the evidence he's pointing to is the masks, which he thinks dehumanise people, and the destroying of children's natural instincts by not allowing them to hug or mix. In Thailand, for example, children are put in cages and kept apart. That's why the video is about fighting for our children's future.


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