Rushed Covid 19 vaccine

Dionaibh

A heartbreaking and deeply distressing article by Jack Mordes (article is behind a paywall) in which he compares Victoria with the Poland he fled from:

"The restrictions in Victoria on our movements, our work, and even our thoughts bring back chilling memories for those of us who escaped totalitarian regimes. My family and I left Poland for Melbourne in 1981, fleeing martial law imposed by dictator General Wojciech Jaruzelski, who was determined to hold on to power and crush the rise of the Solidarity movement. Poland at that stage was firmly ruled by the communist leader in alliance with the Soviet Union. However, the independent trade union Solidarity, led by Lech Walesa and supported by Pope John Paul II, was gathering support from everyday people.

The communists couldn’t risk the Solidarity movement gaining more ground so hit back with restrictions under martial law to prevent further dissent. Those martial law restrictions enacted by Jaruzelski in 1981 are oddly similar to those Victorians are living with under Daniel Andrews’s rule four decades on.

There was a 10pm curfew with police patrols enforcing zero tolerance. Borders were closed. Movement between cities and regions was prohibited unless you carried a special permit. Classes in schools and universities were suspended. Telephone communications were monitored. Opposition activists were arrested, many without charge. The police (called the Militia) became an arm of the government.

The Poland we left was in turmoil. The economy was failing, with food shortages commonplace. Protests were on the rise as Poles were restless that they bore the cost of the government’s failures. The effect of martial law was to punish all citizens for the government’s — and the socialist system’s — failures. Jaruzelski’s priority was to hold on to power rather than address the failings of his government.

Many families engaged in silent but brave protest by placing lit candles in their windows after curfew. Thousands of candles flickering in apartment windows were a poignant sign of a people lamenting lost freedoms, together in silence. I remember my mother and father being nervous in expressing their views on the government to others, even close friends, for fear of being denounced to the authorities. At school, we were taught to follow the example of Pavlik Morozov, a Russian boy who denounced his father to the Soviet authorities and was killed for it by his family. He was held up as a hero. For my parents, the prospect of being reported to the authorities by their own child must have been terrifying. The socialist system aimed at supplanting family loyalty with loyalty to the state."

Dohnjoe

Dionaibh wrote: »

A heartbreaking and deeply distressing article by Jack Mordes (article is behind a paywall) in which he compares Victoria with the Poland he fled from:

"The restrictions in Victoria on our movements, our work, and even our thoughts bring back chilling memories for those of us who escaped totalitarian regimes. My family and I left Poland for Melbourne in 1981, fleeing martial law imposed by dictator General Wojciech Jaruzelski, who was determined to hold on to power and crush the rise of the Solidarity movement. Poland at that stage was firmly ruled by the communist leader in alliance with the Soviet Union. However, the independent trade union Solidarity, led by Lech Walesa and supported by Pope John Paul II, was gathering support from everyday people.

The communists couldn’t risk the Solidarity movement gaining more ground so hit back with restrictions under martial law to prevent further dissent. Those martial law restrictions enacted by Jaruzelski in 1981 are oddly similar to those Victorians are living with under Daniel Andrews’s rule four decades on.

There was a 10pm curfew with police patrols enforcing zero tolerance. Borders were closed. Movement between cities and regions was prohibited unless you carried a special permit. Classes in schools and universities were suspended. Telephone communications were monitored. Opposition activists were arrested, many without charge. The police (called the Militia) became an arm of the government.

The Poland we left was in turmoil. The economy was failing, with food shortages commonplace. Protests were on the rise as Poles were restless that they bore the cost of the government’s failures. The effect of martial law was to punish all citizens for the government’s — and the socialist system’s — failures. Jaruzelski’s priority was to hold on to power rather than address the failings of his government.

Many families engaged in silent but brave protest by placing lit candles in their windows after curfew. Thousands of candles flickering in apartment windows were a poignant sign of a people lamenting lost freedoms, together in silence. I remember my mother and father being nervous in expressing their views on the government to others, even close friends, for fear of being denounced to the authorities. At school, we were taught to follow the example of Pavlik Morozov, a Russian boy who denounced his father to the Soviet authorities and was killed for it by his family. He was held up as a hero. For my parents, the prospect of being reported to the authorities by their own child must have been terrifying. The socialist system aimed at supplanting family loyalty with loyalty to the state."

Christ, please tell me this fruitcake isn't actually comparing the lockdown with martial law in Communist Poland in the 80's

Dionaibh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Christ, please tell me this fruitcake isn't actually comparing the lockdown with martial law in Communist Poland in the 80's

Not only the journalist, but a lot of the people who commented on the article who also fled from Communist Poland. Wouldn't they know? They went through hell, and now they're going through it all over again. Some even say it's worse. There is almost zero freedom in Victoria. I don't know why people rage at the very obvious reality that we have ceased to be free people. The only possible reason I can think of is that the reality is so unbearable and distressing that it's better to, as Dylan Thomas wrote, "rage, rage against the dying of the light".

A link to the full article (shouldn't be behind a paywall): https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/victoria-is-reminding-me-of-poland-in-1981/news-story/5300d2c901efe3fc3a74022973b5f214

Dohnjoe

Dionaibh wrote: »

Not only the journalist, but a lot of the people who commented on the article who also fled from Communist Poland. Wouldn't they know? They went through hell, and now they're going through it all over again.

They aren't going through it again. Communist Poland was an authoritarian government suppressing people's freedoms to enforce martial law for political reasons

Combating a contagious virus with common sense measures like social distancing and masks and lockdown literally has nothing to do with that.

Dionaibh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

They aren't going through it again. Communist Poland was an authoritarian government suppressing people's freedoms to enforce martial law for political reasons

Combating a contagious virus with common sense measures like social distancing and masks and lockdown literally has nothing to do with that.

Then why did the people who fled from Communist Poland who commented on the article say it's identical, or even worse, from the hell they experienced? Wouldn't they know?

Common sense? A pregnant woman was arrested for a Facebook post, the corona police are everywhere and have been putting muzzles on people who dare to protest the tyranny they're living under. Andrews has the people living under a curfew and they have to wear muzzles everywhere. That's common sense? People are terrified and the people who fled Communist Poland who commented on the article say it reminds them of the hell they escaped from. Are they imagining it?

Dohnjoe

Dionaibh wrote: »

Then why did the people who fled from Communist Poland who commented on the article say it's identical, or even worse, from the hell they experienced? Wouldn't they know?

These are just people from the internet, I wouldn't put much stock in the "article" or the comments.

Common sense? A pregnant woman was arrested for a Facebook post, the corona police are everywhere and have been putting muzzles on people who dare to protest the tyranny they're living under. Andrews has the people living under a curfew and they have to wear muzzles everywhere. That's common sense? People are terrified and the people who fled Communist Poland who commented on the article say it reminds them of the hell they escaped from. Are they imagining it?

There is no such thing as "Corona police" or "muzzles".

I'm going to try to explain this very simply. You are the e.g. elected leader of an island of 1,000 people. The world gets a pandemic, you know you only have one small hospital, so your island can't afford to get this virus.

You stop non-essential travel to and from the island, why? to prevent people from bringing the virus to the island
You get all travellers tested and get arrivals to self-quarantine for 2 weeks, why? to stop the virus from getting to the island

Now, let's imagine the virus gets to your island
You get people to wear masks, why? because the virus is spread on droplets when we cough (and possibly even finer aerosols)
You get people to socially distance, why? because the virus spreads when people are in close proximity
You allow a max of 2 households to meet up why? because it mitigates the spread of the virus

Out the population of 1000, there are 100 ignorant and stupid people on the island. They don't follow these guidelines. They don't wear masks, they conjugate at parties, they help spread the virus.

So you have to make these guidelines into enforceable rules. You need police to enforce these rules. You are responsible for protecting these stupid ignorant people from their own ignorance, and you are responsible to protect the rest of the socially responsible people from these stupid ignorant people

Does any part of that not make sense to you?

Dionaibh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

These are just people from the internet, I wouldn't put much stock in the "article" or the comments.



There is no such thing as "Corona police" or "muzzles".

I'm going to try to explain this very simply. You are the e.g. elected leader of an island of 1,000 people. The world gets a pandemic, you know you only have one small hospital, so your island can't afford to get this virus.

You stop non-essential travel to and from the island, why? to prevent people from bringing the virus to the island
You get all travellers tested and get arrivals to self-quarantine for 2 weeks, why? to stop the virus from getting to the island

Now, let's imagine the virus gets to your island
You get people to wear masks, why? because the virus is spread on droplets when we cough (and possibly even finer aerosols)
You get people to socially distance, why? because the virus spreads when people are in close proximity
You allow a max of 2 households to meet up why? because it mitigates the spread of the virus

Out the population of 1000, there are 100 ignorant and stupid people on the island. They don't follow these guidelines. They don't wear masks, they conjugate at parties, they help spread the virus.

So you have to make these guidelines into enforceable rules. You need police to enforce these rules. You are responsible for protecting these stupid ignorant people from their own ignorance, and you are responsible to protect the rest of the socially responsible people from these stupid ignorant people

Does any part of that not make sense to you?

They're not just any old people commenting on an article. They are people who experienced life in Communist Poland and who think, just as the journalist does, that Victoria resembles, or is worse, than Communist Poland. Surely their opinion carries weight. If anyone would know what tyranny is, then surely it's people who experienced it. A question for you: why are they saying that it's identical to, or worse than, Communist Poland?

In Victoria, people are confined to their homes 23 hours a day, live under a ghastly curfew, live in constant fear of the corona police (that's what they have become) entering their home without a warrant and arresting them for Facebook posts, can't go further than two miles from their home, businesses have been destroyed, mental health is in bits, and that tyrant Andrews keeps moving the goalposts. It's totally disproportionate. This virus is harmless to 99.9% of people, and is quite clearly being used as a cover for destroying freedom and changing the way we live. The corrupt WHO today announced that they're going to agree on a five year plan for "living with COVID". Do you fancy another five years of this hell? All over a virus that, for all intents and purposes, has disappeared from the West.

In answer to your question, none of it makes any sense to me. This is not a pandemic. The numbers have been inflated all over the world, 6% of people in the US died directly from the virus. It is dangerous to a tiny percentage of the population.

Dohnjoe

Dionaibh wrote: »

They're not just any old people commenting on an article. They are people who experienced life in Communist Poland and who think, just as the journalist does, that Victoria resembles, or is worse, than Communist Poland. Surely their opinion carries weight. If anyone would know what tyranny is, then surely it's people who experienced it. A question for you: why are they saying that it's identical to, or worse than, Communist Poland?

A pandemic has nothing to do with that political situation.

Being forced to stay indoors because there is a contagious virus is not the same as being forced to stay indoors because of some tyrannical government. They are two completely different scenarios.

In answer to your question, none of it makes any sense to me. This is not a pandemic.

Exactly, you appear to have no idea what's going on. Hazarding a guess this is possibly because instead of reading the news, you read conspiracy and fear-mongering sites.

Here is a simple straightforward question. Why are we wearing masks? (clue: it has nothing to do with politics)

Dionaibh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

A pandemic has nothing to do with that political situation.

Being forced to stay indoors because there is a contagious virus is not the same as being forced to stay indoors because of some tyrannical government. They are two completely different scenarios.



Exactly, you appear to have no idea what's going on. Hazarding a guess this is possibly because instead of reading the news, you read conspiracy and fear-mongering sites.

Here is a simple straightforward question. Why are we wearing masks? (clue: it has nothing to do with politics)

But you didn't answer the question. Why do you think people who experienced life in Communist Poland saying that Victoria 2020 is the same as, or worse, than Communist Poland? Forget about the number of people who are saying it. Why are the people who commented on that article, and the author of the article, saying that Victoria 2020 is the same as, or worse than, Communist Poland? Are they off their rocker?

Is the WEF's site a conspiracy site? They're going about resetting the planet. Indeed, they had their "COVID action plan" ready to go the day after WHO declared a pandemic. Interesting, isn't it? Almost as if they knew.

Is the UN's own website, where there are details of a concert in which a choir sang a song that contained the lyrics "a new world behind closed doors", a conspiracy site? But apparently there's nothing to worry about because "a new world order behind closed doors" means "a new world at home".

The purpose of masks, in my opinion, is to dehumanise people and to prepare people for not being able to enter shops, public buildings, or use public transport unless vaccinated, or, worse, unless their health passport flashes green.

Dohnjoe

Dionaibh wrote: »

But you didn't answer the question. Why do you think people who experienced life in Communist Poland saying that Victoria 2020 is the same as, or worse, than Communist Poland?

It's someone's opinion on the internet, with other internet commentators.

Is the WEF's site a conspiracy site? They're going about resetting the planet.

This has been explained to you. You don't understand the explanation. No one can help you with that.

Indeed, they had their "COVID action plan" ready to go the day after WHO declared a pandemic.

Of course, Covid was around before it was officially declared a pandemic.

Is the UN's own website, where there are details of a concert in which a choir sang a song that contained the lyrics "a new world behind closed doors",

This has been explained to you, you don't understand the explanation, again, no one can help you with this

The purpose of masks, in my opinion, is to dehumanise people

No. The purpose of a mask is to try to prevent others from catching the disease. For example, when we cough, we produce droplets, the virus can be carried on those droplets and infect others. A mask reduces the risk of transmission of the virus.

Dionaibh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's someone's opinion on the internet, with other internet commentators.



This has been explained to you. You don't understand the explanation. No one can help you with that.



Of course, Covid was around before it was officially declared a pandemic.



This has been explained to you, you don't understand the explanation, again, no one can help you with this



No. The purpose of a mask is to try to prevent others from catching the disease. For example, when we cough, we produce droplets, the virus can be carried on those droplets and infect others. A mask reduces the risk of transmission of the virus.

Yes, but they are people who experienced life in Communist Poland and who believe Victoria to be the same as, or worse than Communist Poland. Shouldn't their opinion carry weight?

Nobody has explained The Great Reset, in my opinion. I believe it to be a push for global control. THE UN's calling for global governance and a new world order behind closed doors strengthens that belief.

Dohnjoe

Dionaibh wrote: »

Nobody has explained The Great Reset, in my opinion. I believe it to be a push for global control. THE UN's calling for global governance and a new world order behind closed doors strengthens that belief.

At least you recognise that your view is an opinion. It should be said that nobody has explained that the earth is round to people who believe it's flat. The fact that they can't understand or don't want to understand the explanation is their own issue.

Dionaibh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

At least you recognise that your view is an opinion. It should be said that nobody has explained that the earth is round to people who believe it's flat. The fact that they can't understand or don't want to understand the explanation is their own issue.

But do you know how far-reaching The Great Reset is? They're talking about resetting every aspect of human behaviour and society. Klaus Schwab even wrote a book about it. They're serious about changing the world. We have no idea what awaits us. Think Venezuela. Schwab even said that capitalism could do with a touch with Marxism. No matter how many times it's been proven to be disastrous, socialism has a horrible habit of reappearing.

Dionaibh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

At least you recognise that your view is an opinion. It should be said that nobody has explained that the earth is round to people who believe it's flat. The fact that they can't understand or don't want to understand the explanation is their own issue.

It's an opinion, and does not carry weight. But when people who experience Communist Poland say that Victoria is identical to it, or worse than it, I think their opinion should carry weight.

King Mob

Dionaibh wrote: »

The purpose of masks, in my opinion, is to dehumanise people and to prepare people for not being able to enter shops, public buildings, or use public transport unless vaccinated, or, worse, unless their health passport flashes green.

Again, thank you for demonstrating exactly the type of bizarre and paranoid claims that reasonable people don't want to have anything to do with.

Dionaibh

King Mob wrote: »

Again, thank you for demonstrating exactly the type of bizarre and paranoid claims that reasonable people don't want to have anything to do with.

Nothing paranoid about the coming health passport. If the idea of a health passport doesn't horrify you then I don't know what will.

Most reasonable people wouldn't continue to dismiss the overwhleming evidenc of something nefarious being at play. Two week lockdown turns into? 2 years? 10 years? Suppose it's up to the corrupt WHO to decide. The scripted use of 'new normal' all over the world nothing to worry about. Resetting the planet nothing to worry about. A so-called pandemic relying on a casedemic and inflated numbers to keep it going nothing to worry about. The UN calling for global governance nothing to worry about. Polish people in Victoria saying that Victoria is worse than Communist Poland nothing to worry about.

All very reassuring.

King Mob

Dionaibh wrote: »

Nothing paranoid about the coming health passport.

No sorry. What you're suggesting is the work of overly paranoid thinking.
This stuff has been claimed before.
All you are achieving is drowning out people who have actual concerns.

Dionaibh

King Mob wrote: »

No sorry. What you're suggesting is the work of overly paranoid thinking.
This stuff has been claimed before.
All you are achieving is drowning out people who have actual concerns.

I must've imagined it so: https://www.westmeathexaminer.ie/2020/09/11/creator-of-the-world-first-digital-health-passport-will-help-fully-open-economy-again/

King Mob

Dionaibh wrote: »

I must've imagined it so: https://www.westmeathexaminer.ie/2020/09/11/creator-of-the-world-first-digital-health-passport-will-help-fully-open-economy-again/

Yes, your interpretation of facts is the result of paranoid thinking and trusting cranks and crackpots on the internet who are pretty much scamming you.

Dionaibh

King Mob wrote: »

Yes, your interpretation of facts is the result of paranoid thinking and trusting cranks and crackpots on the internet who are pretty much scamming you.

Or it could be that the idea of a health passport is something out of Communist China.

King Mob

Dionaibh wrote: »

Or it could be that the idea of a health passport is something out of Communist China.

Lol sure. If you say so.

Please keep going. You're making our point for us.

Dohnjoe

Dionaibh wrote: »

Or it could be that the idea of a health passport is something out of Communist China.

A health passport for practical reasons is fine.

But in your paranoid mindset it becomes some sort of totalitarian tool as part of a fake pandemic for the UN to "take over the world". Of course it's going to seem sinister if that's the kinda stuff you believe in. Everything will seem sinister going through that kind of delusional filter.

Dionaibh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

A health passport for practical reasons is fine.

But in your paranoid mindset it becomes some sort of totalitarian tool as part of a fake pandemic for the UN to "take over the world". Of course it's going to seem sinister if that's the kinda stuff you believe in. Everything will seem sinister going through that kind of delusional filter.

Define practical.

Dohnjoe

Dionaibh wrote: »

Define practical.

"Anyone with a long-term condition or disability, who has support needs, could benefit from using a Health Passport.

This has information about your health that belongs to you. You choose to write in it what you want a health professional to know about you. Examples could be how you want to be communicated with, or what gives you anxiety.

Using this tool means you don’t have to repeat yourself all the time and have a way of communicating with staff when you might not be able to."

https://www.ccdhb.org.nz/your-health/disability-responsiveness/what-is-a-health-passport/

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Fine or not fine, good or bad?
Who knows for sure.

King Mob

Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »

Fine or not fine, good or bad?
Who knows for sure.

Well according to your beliefs, this is the mark of the beast.
So you believe it's bad...
Why are you pretending otherwise?

Dohnjoe

Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »

Fine or not fine, good or bad?
Who knows for sure.

Which is a (dishonest) angle you constantly present in here on multiple subjects

e.g. "Could it be some conspiracy? who knows? could be"

Most conspiracy theorists entertain multiple conspiracies because the common denominator is their paranoid or faulty perception of the world.

4068ac1elhodqr

A shop window is a beast? Lol, that sounds very far-fetched, a beast in every shop window and it's not even Halloween yet, lol.
This is 'digital identifer' that is all, and it's only comparable context is in regards it's use in China (see above).
Calm down chaps.

Dionaibh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

"Anyone with a long-term condition or disability, who has support needs, could benefit from using a Health Passport.

This has information about your health that belongs to you. You choose to write in it what you want a health professional to know about you. Examples could be how you want to be communicated with, or what gives you anxiety.

Using this tool means you don’t have to repeat yourself all the time and have a way of communicating with staff when you might not be able to."

https://www.ccdhb.org.nz/your-health/disability-responsiveness/what-is-a-health-passport/

The inventors of the Irish health passport have the whole population in mind for their diabolical app.

Since the passports you are referring to already exist why the need to invent a new one?

Dionaibh

Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »

A shop window is a beast? Lol, that sounds very far-fetched, a beast in every shop window and it's not even Halloween yet, lol.
This is 'digital identifer' that is all, and it's only comparable context is in regards it's use in China (see above).
Calm down chaps.

Exactly, but somehow it's different from what's going in China. Another "conspiracy theory" that's true.