Rushed Covid 19 vaccine

FutureTeashock

King Mob wrote: »

But you said it was a valid reason for rejecting the vaccine.

Do you not believe the bible predicted these vaccines?
Are the people who do believe that wrong?

People can choose any reason they like for rejecting the vaccine, so yes, it is valid.

I'm not religious, but it's none of my business if people choose to believe the bible.

Who are you to dictate to people what they believe or think?

LLMMLL

King Mob wrote: »

It was started elsewhere.
By someone who believes the mark of the beast angle is reasonable.

It's pretty representative I think.

Yes CT crazies have access to other forums. That doesn't mean their views are representative. The thread was quickly moved to CT and now the balance is more crazies and less reasonable people. What a shocker. This thread is not evidence of what the vaccine uptake will be it why it will be that way.

briany

King Mob wrote: »

But shouldn't that choice be based on good information and clear thinking?

What if the reason they don't want to get the vaccine isn't true (like the idea that it's a giant world government plot as predicted in the bible.)?
I guess we're not allowed to point that out or explain why it isn't true cause it will interfere with their choice?

In the case of religious reasons such as believing an enforced vaccine to be the mark of the beast, as foretold in the Book of Revelation, it probably wouldn't work to explain why it isn't true. People who are talking about the mark of the beast have made certain fundamental assumptions/leaps of faith about the moral/spiritual supremacy of the Bible which underpins their world view, even though there's no post-script at the back of the book (that I know of) which reads, "And all herein is definitely true - signed, God", just like nothing of the sort appears at the back of the Koran, or the Torah, or the Vedic texts.

LLMMLL

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Measles is making a comeback because this exact problem exists. There are a multitude of reasons why people refuse vaccines, many of these "reasons" are related to vaccine-denial disinfo, and increasingly many are linked to this new wave of "vaccine skepticism", aka the art of casting doubt of vaccine effectiveness

It's all underscored by a lack of understanding by lay-people, some of whom falsely believe they know as much or more than the consensus of medical science. Often these people display the same traits of not trusting authority (experts, researchers, regulators, etc) and instead turning to internet "info" on the subject. Likewise, they are often easily manipulated by isolated cases, or isolated "experts", rather than anything systematic.

Measles is not making a comeback "because this exact problem exists". It is making a comeback for the reasons you go o to state. Those reasons have nothing to do with the crazy mark of the beast stuff which is what I am talking about.

Dohnjoe

FutureTeashock wrote: »

People can choose any reason they like for rejecting the vaccine, so yes, it is valid.

I'm not religious, but it's none of my business if people choose to believe the bible.

Who are you to dictate to people what they believe or think?

Unfortunately some people are morons and will believe nonsense. When it comes to conspiracy theories, most of it is fairly harmless, but when it comes to medical beliefs, then yes it can be dangerous

Hundreds of people have died due to fake Covid cures. When it comes to medical matters, unfortunately people have to be protected from their own stupidity and lack of knowledge and absurd beliefs

Dohnjoe

LLMMLL wrote: »

Measles is not making a comeback "because this exact problem exists". It is making a comeback for the reasons you go o to state. Those reasons have nothing to do with the crazy mark of the beast stuff which is what I am talking about.

Then you are misunderstanding my post completely if you believe I am solely referring to "crazy mark of the beast stuff".

There is far more subtle disinformation about vaccines and medical science in general than "biblical prophecies and so on"

FutureTeashock

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Unfortunately some people are morons and will believe nonsense. When it comes to conspiracy theories, most of it is fairly harmless, but when it comes to medical beliefs, then yes it can be dangerous

Hundreds of people have died due to fake Covid cures. When it comes to medical matters, unfortunately people have to be protected from their own stupidity and lack of knowledge and absurd beliefs

A large chunk of society won't take the vaccine and there is nothing you can do about it.

You need to come to terms with that fact and accept it. Have you tried counselling?

LLMMLL

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Then you are misunderstanding my post completely if you believe I am solely referring to "crazy mark of the beast stuff".

There is far more subtle disinformation about vaccines and medical science in general than "biblical prophecies and so on"

Yes i completely agree. But I'm not talking about those things in any of my posts so I'm not sure why you keep quoting me.

LessOutragePlz

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Hundreds of people have died due to fake Covid cures. When it comes to medical matters, unfortunately people have to be protected from their own stupidity and lack of knowledge and absurd beliefs

How do you know that hundreds of people have died due to fake Covid cures?

Dohnjoe

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

How do you know that hundreds of people have died due to fake Covid cures?

Multiple news reports based on research, thousands have been hospitalised.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53755067

It's all part of the misinformation "epidemic", e.g. some people will trust social media more than their GP
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/technology/coronavirus-disinformation-doctors.html

LessOutragePlz

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Multiple news reports based on research, thousands have been hospitalised.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53755067

It's all part of the misinformation "epidemic", e.g. some people will trust social media more than their GP
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/technology/coronavirus-disinformation-doctors.html

Jaysus that's scary but I'm afraid anyone that trusts social media more than their GP only have themselves to blame for the consequences of their actions.

Dohnjoe

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Jaysus that's scary but I'm afraid anyone that trusts social media more than their GP only have themselves to blame for the consequences of their actions.

Indeed and non-ironically in a safe space thread on social media in a forum that specialises in disinfo

LessOutragePlz

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Indeed and non-ironically in a safe space thread on social media in a forum that specialises in disinfo

Hahaha I'd like to think that most people in here would believe their GP over social media but if their GP tells them to take a vaccine and social media tells them not to take it, I think it's safe to say that they'll be going with the advice that they've gotten on social media.

FutureTeashock

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Hahaha I'd like to think that most people in here would believe their GP over social media but if their GP tells them to take a vaccine and social media tells them not to take it, I think it's safe to say that they'll be going with the advice that they've gotten on social media.

The GPs are financially incentivised to vaccinate people, they receive a payment per dose administered.

Dohnjoe

FutureTeashock wrote: »

The GPs are financially incentivised to vaccinate people, they receive a payment per dose administered.

Case and point.

FutureTeashock

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Case and point.

Irish GPs paid five times UK rate for flu vaccine


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish-gps-paid-five-times-uk-rate-for-flu-vaccine-1.743055


Game.Set.Match.

LessOutragePlz

FutureTeashock wrote: »

The GPs are financially incentivised to vaccinate people, they receive a payment per dose administered.

Do this include all GPs worldwide including Irish GPs?

And if so, have you got anything to support this pay per jab theory?

Edit: I've seen your post before mine.

storker

FutureTeashock wrote: »

Irish GPs paid five times UK rate for flu vaccine


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish-gps-paid-five-times-uk-rate-for-flu-vaccine-1.743055


Game.Set.Match.

Do you imagine that using a big font makes your claims more true? :rolleyes:

By the way, it takes more than announcing a win to have actually proved something. All your claim proves, if true, is that Irish GPs get paid more for vaccinations. It proves nothing about GPs' opinions about the safety or efficacy of a vaccine, and it does not prove that GP's will break their Hippocratic oath in order to secure such payments.

What you've got there is not evidence but innuendo, the stock-in-trade of the conspiracy theorist. Far from game, set and match, you haven't even lifted the ball out of your own court...

Dohnjoe

storker wrote: »

Do you imagine that using a big font makes your claims more true? :rolleyes:

By the way, it takes more than announcing a win to have actually proved something. All your claim proves, if true, is that Irish GPs get paid more for vaccinations. It proves nothing about GPs' opinions about the safety or efficacy of a vaccine, and it does not prove that GP's will break their Hippocratic oath in order to secure such payments.

What you've got there is not evidence but innuendo, the stock-in-trade of the conspiracy theorist. Far from game, set and match, you haven't even lifted the ball out of your own court...

To pose the usual CT style questions

Why are GP's paid per shot then? What's to stop your local GP administering shots all the time and raking it in? (38 quid a pop not bad)

Who are they getting this pay-per-shot money from?

FutureTeashock

storker wrote: »

Do you imagine that using a big font makes your claims more true? :rolleyes:

By the way, it takes more than announcing a win to have actually proved something. All your claim proves, if true, is that Irish GPs get paid more for vaccinations. It proves nothing about GPs' opinions about the safety or efficacy of a vaccine, and it does not prove that GP's will break their Hippocratic oath in order to secure such payments.

What you've got there is not evidence but innuendo, the stock-in-trade of the conspiracy theorist. Far from game, set and match, you haven't even lifted the ball out of your own court...

IT IS WIDELY assumed that all medical doctors take the Hippocratic Oath. However, the oath is no longer administered in most medical schools worldwide, including Ireland.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/worrying-undercurrent-of-economics-in-debate-on-euthanasia-1.687638#:~:text=IT%20IS%20WIDELY%20assumed%20that,medical%20schools%20worldwide%2C%20including%20Ireland.&text=The%20Greek%20physician%20Hippocrates%20(460,as%20the%20father%20of%20medicine.

storker

FutureTeashock wrote: »

IT IS WIDELY assumed that all medical doctors take the Hippocratic Oath. However, the oath is no longer administered in most medical schools worldwide, including Ireland.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/worrying-undercurrent-of-economics-in-debate-on-euthanasia-1.687638#:~:text=IT%20IS%20WIDELY%20assumed%20that,medical%20schools%20worldwide%2C%20including%20Ireland.&text=The%20Greek%20physician%20Hippocrates%20(460,as%20the%20father%20of%20medicine.

Interesting, but your claims still only amount to innuendo. Is that all you have?

King Mob

Frist few posts
"Don't lump me in with those wackjobs who believe in those wacky conspiracies."

Now
"All doctors are involved in the conspiracy to give everyone vaccines and are getting bribed to promote and administer them"

Dionaibh

Bit off point, but I found the following letter interesting:

https://www.corbettreport.com/letter/

Dohnjoe

Dionaibh wrote: »

Bit off point, but I found the following letter interesting:

https://www.corbettreport.com/letter/

James Corbett is a conspiracy theorist crank merchant who makes a living creating and fueling conspiracy and doomsday alarmism to sell to paranoid people. It's a fairly lucrative business, Alex Jones has made a fortune from it. Don't forget to subscribe to his site or buy his DVD's.

FutureTeashock

Dohnjoe wrote: »

James Corbett is a conspiracy theorist crank merchant who makes a living creating and fueling conspiracy and doomsday alarmism to sell to paranoid people. It's a fairly lucrative business, Alex Jones has made a fortune from it. Don't forget to subscribe to his site or buy his DVD's.

And the vaccine developers are philanthropists. Of course.

Dohnjoe

FutureTeashock wrote: »

And the vaccine developers are philanthropists. Of course.

You already seem to believe that doctors are taking part in some unspecified immunization scam. Are you suggesting there is an issue with vaccine development, if yes, what is it exactly?

I would prefer not to have innuendo extrapolated from an article thanks, just the details of what you may be suggesting

Dionaibh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

James Corbett is a conspiracy theorist crank merchant who makes a living creating and fueling conspiracy and doomsday alarmism to sell to paranoid people. It's a fairly lucrative business, Alex Jones has made a fortune from it. Don't forget to subscribe to his site or buy his DVD's.

I don't know much about Mr Corbett, but I found the letter to be written from the heart. One has only to look around the world to see that liberty and freedom are either gone (see Melbourne) or under grave threat.

Tony EH

First of all, Anti vaxers are morons. Just like flat earthers. Noel Browne wiped out TB in this country with a vaccination program and ended a situation that affected nearly every family in Ireland. Many of which had lost members to the disease. So, vaccines work and work well.

HOWEVER...

In saying that, I think everybody should be wary of a rushed Covid vaccine, by virtue of the fact that this disease is less than a year old. Or, at least, less than a year in circulation. There is still so, so, much that we don't understand about it and the idea of a vaccine being magically produced is a pure fantasy.

I know I won't be lining up to take anything.

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Dionaibh wrote: »

I don't know much about Mr Corbett, but I found the letter to be written from the heart. One has only to look around the world to see that liberty and freedom are either gone (see Melbourne) or under grave threat.

The Melbourne event is interesting, one reporter today described it as almost indistinguishable from what is happening to protesters in Belarus.

Dionaibh

Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »

The Melbourne event is interesting, one reporter today described it as almost indistinguishable from what is happening to protesters in Belarus.

Yes, it is frightening to witness freedom being extinguished in front of our very eyes. I never thought I'd live to see the day. Andrews has taken to referring to protestors "selfish".