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    #2552
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Maybe you should read the book. You appear to be obsessed with it.
    And question dodged.
    He does not say anything about any of the conspiracies you believe in that book.

    Thanks for confirming this.


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    #2553
    EyesClosed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I'm not qualified to comment on it. All I'm saying is that it's included in the leaked game plan.

    Why focus 5G out of all of the things listed in the game plan?

    Is Bret Weinstein qualified to talk about a possible lab leak? And he describes himself as extremely progressive before someone says that he's a crazy right-winger.

    I'm focusing on 5g because it's totally nonsense. So if you can see the 5g argument is silly... Then maybe you can realise their other scary theories are also silly.

    If the evil one world government needs 5g to track us all to complete their plans... And 5g can't actually be used for tracking... Then the rest of it falls over


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    #2554
    [Deleted User]
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    EyesClosed wrote: »
    I'm focusing on 5g because it's totally nonsense. So if you can see the 5g argument is silly... Then maybe you can realise their other scary theories are also silly.

    If the evil one world government needs 5g to track us all to complete their plans... And 5g can't actually be used for tracking... Then the rest of it falls over

    As I say, I have an open mind. But all of the things with ticks next to them appear to have happened. Let's see what happens with the other things. There are more things than just 5G listed in that leaked game plan. The 5G thing being bogus doesn't mean that the other things are bogus.

    Would you agree that it appears to be the case that the things with ticks next to them have happened?


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    #2555
    EyesClosed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    As I say, I have an open mind. But all of the things with ticks next to them appear to have happened. Let's see what happens with the other things. There are more things than just 5G listed in that leaked game plan. The 5G thing being bogus doesn't mean that the other things are bogus.

    Would you agree that it appears to be the case that the things with ticks next to them have happened?

    But you're totally missing the point.
    Its easy to collect a bunch of things that have happened... And then make up stuff that MIGHT happen.
    But when the MIGHT happen needs something that's technically impossible... Then it's nonsense.

    It's like me saying world war 2 happened...so with 5g zombies will happen.

    I get my tick for world war 2... So that must mean zombies is true.

    This is literally the logic you are using.


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    #2556
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Deleted User wrote: »
    As I say, I have an open mind. But all of the things with ticks next to them appear to have happened. Let's see what happens with the other things. There are more things than just 5G listed in that leaked game plan. The 5G thing being bogus doesn't mean that the other things are bogus.

    Would you agree that it appears to be the case that the things with ticks next to them have happened?
    But the 5G thing is nonsense.
    It's obviously nonsense.
    You know it's nonsense because you can't even suggest a plausible method by which it could be used for what's it's claimed for.

    If it's not nonsense, why are you continually dodging questions?

    And since it is nonsense and it's included in this "leaked game plan" then yes, it makes the game plan suspect.
    How can it be real if it claims something that isn't true?


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    #2557
    [Deleted User]
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    EyesClosed wrote: »
    But you're totally missing the point.
    Its easy to collect a bunch of things that have happened... And then make up stuff that MIGHT happen.
    But when the MIGHT happen needs something that's technically impossible... Then it's nonsense.

    It's like me saying world war 2 happened...so with 5g zombies will happen.

    I get my tick for world war 2... So that must mean zombies is true.

    This is literally the logic you are using.

    It'd be interesting to know when the game plan was leaked. If it was leaked in around March or April then it would suggest that it is legit.


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    #2558
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It'd be interesting to know when the game plan was leaked. If it was leaked in around March or April then it would suggest that it is legit.
    And questions and points dodged again.
    It's almost like you're not even reading the posts addressed to you.

    Again, why?
    Why do this to defend a believe you know is nonsense?


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    #2559
    EyesClosed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It'd be interesting to know when the game plan was leaked. If it was leaked in around March or April then it would suggest that it is legit.

    But the game play is a random pic... Anyone could have made it up. Also can you answer my questions around 5g?


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    #2560
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    EyesClosed wrote: »
    But the game play is a random pic... Anyone could have made it up. Also can you answer my questions around 5g?

    If the game plan was leaked in March or April of last year then do you think it could be argued that it's legit?

    I don't know enough about 5g to be able to comment on it. I don't know. But, as I said, just because the 5g thing doesn't mean that the other things are.


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    #2561
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,434 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If the game plan was leaked in March or April of last year then do you think it could be argued that it's legit?

    I don't know enough about 5g to be able to comment on it. I don't know. But, as I said, just because the 5g thing doesn't mean that the other things are.

    It's not a "game plan" though, it's a list that someone has knocked together at home to suck in gullible fools, and it's obviously working.


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    #2562
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If the game plan was leaked in March or April of last year then do you think it could be argued that it's legit?
    And if it wasn't?
    Maybe this is something you should actually look into before believing.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't know enough about 5g to be able to comment on it. I don't know. But, as I said, just because the 5g thing doesn't mean that the other things are.
    So you can't answer the questions.
    So we can conclude that the claims about 5G are nonsense.
    Great.

    If the game plan is real, why does it claim something that is obviously not true?


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    #2563
    EyesClosed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If the game plan was leaked in March or April of last year then do you think it could be argued that it's legit?

    I don't know enough about 5g to be able to comment on it. I don't know. But, as I said, just because the 5g thing doesn't mean that the other things are.

    The game plan is a random pic... Show me who leaked it and when... Twitter doesn't count as a source. If the answer here is you don't know... Then that surely shows its nonsense. You whole theory is based on an IF. If my brother was a girl he'd be my sister... See how silly basing theories on a random what if is?

    And yes 5g being wrong very much means everything else is wrong... I've explained this to you twice now... I think you're ignoring it cause you don't want it to be wrong.


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    #2564
    [Deleted User]
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    EyesClosed wrote: »
    The game plan is a random pic... Show me who leaked it and when... Twitter doesn't count as a source. If the answer here is you don't know... Then that surely shows its nonsense. You whole theory is based on an IF. If my brother was a girl he'd be my sister... See how silly basing theories on a random what if is?

    And yes 5g being wrong very much means everything else is wrong... I've explained this to you twice now... I think you're ignoring it cause you don't want it to be wrong.

    Bu there's a lot of ifs and maybes when it comes to conspiracy hypotheses. All we can do is examine the evidence and speculate.

    I'll do a bit research on the leaked game plan to try to find out when it was leaked.


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    #2565
    EyesClosed
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Bu there's a lot of ifs and maybes when it comes to conspiracy hypotheses. All we can do is examine the evidence and speculate.

    I'll do a bit research on the leaked game plan to try to find out when it was leaked.

    Your source can't be twitter or a YouTube video.

    So are you willing to admit that 5g scares are nonsense?


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    #2566
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Bu there's a lot of ifs and maybes when it comes to conspiracy hypotheses. All we can do is examine the evidence and speculate.
    But you don't examine anything it seems. When you're asked to examine something with any level of critical thinking, you ignore and run away.
    You haven't provided any evidence for anything. And when you're asked to provide evidence, you ignore, lie and run away.
    And you don't speculate. When you're asked to give an opinion or elaborate on what you think of belief, you lie and deflect and run away.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'll do a bit research on the leaked game plan to try to find out when it was leaked.
    No, you won't. You're going to run away and pretend that these points weren't brought up.
    You will do no research on this "game plan" you will not bother to find out where it came from. You know that doing any of these things would just disprove it.
    So you are just going to run away again.
    And you'll probably come back again, pretending to be a new poster and make the same claim all over again because you think people are going to fall for that.


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    #2567
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,083 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Bu there's a lot of ifs and maybes when it comes to conspiracy hypotheses. All we can do is examine the evidence and speculate.

    I'll do a bit research on the leaked game plan to try to find out when it was leaked.

    How about starting with how 5G is meant to be controlling people, or how it is the source of covid? Let us know what you find.


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    #2568
    The Nal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,543 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    robinph wrote: »
    How about starting with how 5G is meant to be controlling people, or how it is the source of covid? Let us know what you find.

    And how it causes cancer.

    Its its why they're cutting down trees.

    And how its easier to track people via 5G with social distancing.




    Lets not forget, that a lot of these conspiraloons quietened down when the fact that 5G and 5Ghz wifi wasn't the same thing was explained to them. People believed that their wifi routers were going to kill them. lol.


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    #2569
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,502 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Bu there's a lot of ifs and maybes when it comes to conspiracy hypotheses. All we can do is examine the evidence and speculate.

    I'll do a bit research on the leaked game plan to try to find out when it was leaked.

    Looking forward to seeing you examine the evidence. First time for anything I guess.


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    #2570
    [Deleted User]
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    robinph wrote: »
    How about starting with how 5G is meant to be controlling people, or how it is the source of covid? Let us know what you find.

    I've already said that I'm not familiar with 5g. I don't why you continue to focus on it. There are people who are qualified to talk about how it could, or could not, be used to control people. I'm focusing on doing research on the leaked game plan.

    Is Bret Weinstein qualified to talk about the virus being potentially leaked from a lab?


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    #2571
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Looking forward to seeing you examine the evidence. First time for anything I guess.

    And if I get a direct quote I expect the usual "that person is an idiot", "he didn't say that", "I don't believe they said that" etc.


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    #2572
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,083 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I've already said that I'm not familiar with 5g. I don't why you continue to focus on it. There are people who are qualified to talk about how it could, or could not, be used to control people. I'm focusing on doing research on the leaked game plan.

    Is Bret Weinstein qualified to talk about the virus being potentially leaked from a lab?

    We're willing to help explain it to you. Show us what it is that you belive 5G is doing to people, we first need to know what exactly is is that you think though.

    You brought up a list of items that have you worried, one of those included 5G. What exactly about it has you worried and why?


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    #2573
    [Deleted User]
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    robinph wrote: »
    We're willing to help explain it to you. Show us what it is that you belive 5G is doing to people, we first need to know what exactly is is that you think though.

    You brought up a list of items that have you worried, one of those included 5G. What exactly about it has you worried and why?

    I'm not worried about 5g. There are far worse things in the game plan than 5g.


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    #2574
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,083 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    And if I get a direct quote I expect the usual "that person is an idiot", "he didn't say that", "I don't believe they said that" etc.

    Which is why we're focusing on the 5G as that is something scientific, rather than someones random predictions about future use of masks for reasons that your not willing to tell us about.

    If we stick to the 5G then you can show us the scientific research that backs up how it is being used to control people and how it is creating covid. We can then work through that to see if it's likely to be true or not.


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    #2575
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,083 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I'm not worried about 5g. There are far worse things in the game plan than 5g.

    So is the claims of 5G controlling people correct or not?
    What about 5G being the source of the spread of covid?

    If these are not true then why are they included in the plan you linked to. If they are true then it is surely one of the simpler things for you to prove of all the stuff in the plan.

    Trying to make it easy for you here.

    Edit: Curious about what bits of the plan are worse than mobile phone masts being used for mind control and spreading covid to people. Is the bit about wearing masks somehow scarier than mind control systems?


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    #2576
    [Deleted User]
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    robinph wrote: »
    Which is why we're focusing on the 5G as that is something scientific, rather than someones random predictions about future use of masks for reasons that your not willing to tell us about.

    If we stick to the 5G then you can show us the scientific research that backs up how it is being used to control people and how it is creating covid. We can then work through that to see if it's likely to be true or not.

    I don't believe it will be used to control people. I had never heard of 5g until all of this began.

    It's the mask thing in the leaked game plan that is most concerning. That's why I'm doing research on it. It would help if a single country in the world would get rid of masks completely. That would mean the mask thing is bogus. But none has. Texas lifted it, but private businesses can still impose mask requirements. And of course people have to wear them on public transport as per federal law.


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    #2577
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And if I get a direct quote I expect the usual "that person is an idiot", "he didn't say that", "I don't believe they said that" etc.
    But this hasn't happened.
    You rarely provide direct quotes when asked and you've been shown to lie and mispresent things people actual say.
    And the odd time they did actually say it, it's because they are a crank with no authority.

    If you don't like people pointing out when you do this, stop doing it.


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    #2578
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't believe it will be used to control people. I had never heard of 5g until all of this began.
    So the game plan is wrong about 5G.
    Why?


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    #2579
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,083 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I don't believe it will be used to control people. I had never heard of 5g until all of this began.

    It's the mask thing in the leaked game plan that is most concerning. That's why I'm doing research on it. It would help if a single country in the world would get rid of masks completely. That would mean the mask thing is bogus. But none has. Texas lifted it, but private businesses can still impose mask requirements. And of course people have to wear them on public transport as per federal law.

    You know what 3G is right, it's the radio signals your phone uses so you can make calls and connect to the Internet.
    4G is a faster version of the same thing.
    5G is another faster version of the same thing again.

    So you have stated that you don't believe that 5G is being used to control people, or that it is being used to spread the virus. Why then was it included in the plan that you posted a few pages back?

    If it isn't being used to control people, why have they said that it is? If they were lying about that in the plan then what other things were they lying about?


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    #2580
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,434 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Dunno why you're bothering lads, that poster never answered questions on his last account, obvious to all he won't answer any on this account or indeed his next account. A pure WUM who will just keep going around in circles spouting the same shìte day in day out.


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    #2581
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Dunno why you're bothering lads, that poster never answered questions on his last account, obvious to all he won't answer any on this account or indeed his next account. A pure WUM who will just keep going around in circles spouting the same shìte day in day out.
    Demonstrates to others the levels of dishonesty inherent in a lot of conspiracy theories and how really basic questions kinda ruins them.


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