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Who thinks Trump will win?

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    #3152
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,451 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    He was supposed to have been destroyed by Bernie Sanders in the Democratic debate. That didn't happen either. I'm guessing the talking points after the debate on Tuesday will consist of:

    - he was on drugs,
    - Chris Wallace gave Biden the questions beforehand and/or asked him softball questions,
    - Chris Wallace has always disliked Trump and asked Trump harder questions,

    Any other guesses?

    I'll be expecting a video of Biden, carefully edited just like this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8uM0zOBuSw


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    #3153
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    He was supposed to have been destroyed by Bernie Sanders in the Democratic debate. That didn't happen either. I'm guessing the talking points after the debate on Tuesday will consist of:

    - he was on drugs,
    - Chris Wallace gave Biden the questions beforehand and/or asked him softball questions,
    - Chris Wallace has always disliked Trump and asked Trump harder questions,

    Any other guesses?

    I would imagine it will go something like Trump walking on stage. Composed , confident and in control of the room.
    Biden will wander in, possibly walk to the wrong side, ask the moderator to speak louder and repeat questions. Possibly go off on a tangent talking about skateboards or something of that nature.


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    #3154
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Honestly...how are Spitting Image not around in this day and age!!!


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    #3155
    DangerScouse
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    I think the issue is no one is interested in his campaign...a much worse problem.

    Biden brings zero energy that's his main issue, well that and getting out of his bunker.


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    #3156
    DangerScouse
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    I would imagine it will go something like Trump walking on stage. Composed , confident and in control of the room.
    Biden will wander in, possibly walk to the wrong side, ask the moderator to speak louder and repeat questions. Possibly go off on a tangent talking about skateboards or something of that nature.

    Come on mannnnnnn!!!!


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    #3157
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,522 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    I would imagine it will go something like Trump walking on stage. Composed , confident and in control of the room.
    Biden will wander in, possibly walk to the wrong side, ask the moderator to speak louder and repeat questions. Possibly go off on a tangent talking about skateboards or something of that nature.
    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Honestly...how are Spitting Image not around in this day and age!!!
    DangerScouse wrote: »
    Biden brings zero energy that's his main issue, well that and getting out of his bunker.

    Strange then how the polls are in Bidens favour at this point. Time will tell.


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    #3158
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,125 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    I would imagine it will go something like Trump walking on stage. Composed , confident and in control of the room.
    Biden will wander in, possibly walk to the wrong side, ask the moderator to speak louder and repeat questions. Possibly go off on a tangent talking about skateboards or something of that nature.

    I presume you're taking the piss at this stage. Well played. :pac:


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    #3159
    DJTrump
    Registered Users Posts: 6 ✭DJTrump


    Trump is doing a tremendous job. Forget about sleepy Joe. #4moreyears #USA


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    #3160
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,451 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    DJTrump wrote: »
    Trump is doing a tremendous job. Forget about sleepy Joe. #4moreyears #USA

    Hes got 4 more months...thats it.


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    #3161
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,522 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    DJTrump wrote: »
    Trump is doing a tremendous job. Forget about sleepy Joe. #4moreyears #USA

    200,000 Covid Deaths
    Highest unemployment rate in centuries
    Reversal of Environment Protection Measures
    Empowerment of Russia in interfering in external affairs
    US unity at lowest level in most of our life times.

    How exactly is he doing a tremendous job?


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    #3162
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    The fact that Biden is polling so well despite not trying to be the center of attention all the time just shows how unpopular Trump is. It would also be silly to change course at this point. Right now, it's what, This is a referendum on Trump and Trump and his fans don't like that.


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    #3163
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,484 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    I took the bait? If you are able to read, you'll see I never took any bait, I asked for help.

    I asked for help spotting how a video could be doctored and a poster pointed it out to me....I haven't suggested that I don't believe that videos can be doctored...I'd imagine it is rampant...both sides are at it.

    I witnessed a video edited and circulated by media back in June, when Trump was accused of saying that George Floyd would be looking down and saying this is a great thing for our country - regarding the better than expected jobs figures....

    This was the headline in The Guardian but I saw this happening real time at least 12 media organisations published the edited video.

    Revolting - Trump condemned for saying George Floyd is praising the US economy

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/05/trump-george-floyd-comments-economy-unemployment

    The video that was circulated in Irish media was edited as well and reported the same way...he did not mention George Floyd whilst speaking about job figures at all they edited the video to make it look like he did.

    I don't know why you think I've been found out or some such...I have repeatedly suggested on this website that no media outlet can be trusted, absolutely none.

    I have posted a tiny few videos of thousands of Supporters at Trump rallies all over the country, I'd love you to point out one that is doctored...

    The mask has well and truly slipped.

    Do you at least agree that Biden is much more able, physically and mentally, than Trump? Ignoring the policy differences.


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    #3164
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,125 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Tell me how wrote: »
    200,000 Covid Deaths
    Highest unemployment rate in centuries
    Reversal of Environment Protection Measures
    Empowerment of Russia in interfering in external affairs
    US unity at lowest level in most of our life times.

    How exactly is he doing a tremendous job?

    "Owning the libs". That's all they have.


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    #3165
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,484 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    The fact that Biden is polling so well despite not trying to be the center of attention all the time just shows how unpopular Trump is. It would also be silly to change course at this point. Right now, it's what, This is a referendum on Trump and Trump and his fans don't like that.

    Biden is campaigning smart, Trump is campaigning dumb, getting caught today with a mask on, at a funeral of someone he disparaged, and getting shouted out, was his Sepp Blatter shower of money moment.

    He's going to get even more deranged now, the obfuscation and lies from his supporters will increase.


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    #3166
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    The best part is that the Trumpists are convinced that Biden will be a drooling demented mess at the debate on Tuesday. I'm really looking forward to the talking points that they'll come up with on Wednesday morning.


    It'll be like what happened after the town halls.


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    #3167
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    astrofool wrote: »
    The mask has well and truly slipped.

    Do you at least agree that Biden is much more able, physically and mentally, than Trump? Ignoring the policy differences.

    What mask...what are you on about?

    I'll put it to you this way...Biden has had accusations of being drugged to pep him up a bit...but from what I can see, its Trump who must be on something...I don't know any man that age that can do what he is doing...Mick Jagger maybe!!!


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    #3168
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    astrofool wrote: »
    He's going to get even more deranged now, the obfuscation and lies from his supporters will increase.


    That has been true for every moment of his presidency. It's only a matter of time before he and his supporters go full QAnon.


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    #3169
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,244 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Joe Biden endorsed, Trump excoriated by nearly 500 retired top military, national security officials

    WASHINGTON – Nearly 500 generals, admirals and former national security officials from both parties endorsed former Vice President Joe Biden on Thursday, and blasted President Donald Trump as "not equal" to the challenges of the job in a letter released Thursday.

    The letter, signed by 489 members of the group called the National Security Leaders for Biden, includes former Obama administration Defense Secretaries Ash Carter, Chuck Hagel and Leon Panetta, along with former Navy Secretary and NASA administrator Sean O'Keefe, who served under both former Presidents George H.W. and George W. Bush. Among the retired senior officers is Air Force Gen. Paul Selva, who until last year was the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Trump.


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    #3170
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    What mask...what are you on about?

    I'll put it to you this way...Biden has had accusations of being drugged to pep him up a bit...but from what I can see, its Trump who must be on something...I don't know any man that age that can do what he is doing...Mick Jagger maybe!!!


    While that post sounds perfectly sane, I should point out that there was, in fact, a mask.


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    #3171
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    While that post sounds perfectly sane, I should point out that there was, in fact, a mask.

    What mask? :confused:


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    #3172
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,484 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    What mask...what are you on about?

    I'll put it to you this way...Biden has had accusations of being drugged to pep him up a bit...but from what I can see, its Trump who must be on something...I don't know any man that age that can do what he is doing...Mick Jagger maybe!!!

    So, Biden is more able, physically and mentally (ignoring the lies), than Trump, and Trump is probably on drugs, but is somehow still worse than Biden? Or do you think Trump + drugs is more able than Biden, despite all factual evidence to the contrary?


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    #3173
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    astrofool wrote: »
    So, Biden is more able, physically and mentally (ignoring the lies), than Trump, and Trump is probably on drugs, but is somehow still worse than Biden? Or do you think Trump + drugs is more able than Biden, despite all factual evidence to the contrary?

    Did that make anyone else dizzy?


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    #3174
    Lollipop95
    Registered Users Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Lollipop95


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    The fact that Biden is polling so well despite not trying to be the center of attention all the time just shows how unpopular Trump is. It would also be silly to change course at this point. Right now, it's what, This is a referendum on Trump and Trump and his fans don't like that.

    Hopefully that will translate to a Biden win in November, but the fact that Hilary was ahead in the polls in the 2016 election concerns me. That said, in the end I think it was revealed that Trump didn't actually beat her by much. Surely the Americans wouldn't vote him in again...would they?


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    #3175
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,484 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Did that make anyone else dizzy?

    Biden is mentally and physically more able for president than Trump, fact, the Biden videos trying to show otherwise are generally out of context or edited to look bad, fact.

    Hopefully no dizziness this time.


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    #3176
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    Hopefully that will translate to a Biden win in November, but the fact that Hilary was ahead in the polls in the 2016 election concerns me. That said, in the end I think it was revealed that Trump didn't actually beat her by much. Surely the Americans wouldn't vote him in again...would they?


    Clinton's lead wasn't as large as Biden's and there were many more undecided voters (4% now v 13% then). Quin_Dub has posted about this a few times. 80,000 votes or so made the difference.


    Given all the talk from Trump about voter fraud, I'm guessing that the internal polling that he's getting is bad. If it was pointing to victory, he wouldn't be casting so much doubt on it.


    Still, it's possible for him to win. It all comes down to certain states so it's the state polling that people need to be looking at.


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    #3177
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Cody montana wrote: »
    . . . .
    The letter, signed by 489 members of the group called the National Security Leaders for Biden, includes former Obama administration Defense Secretaries Ash Carter, Chuck Hagel and Leon Panetta, along with former Navy Secretary and NASA administrator Sean O'Keefe, who served under both former Presidents George H.W. and George W. Bush. Among the retired senior officers is Air Force Gen. Paul Selva, who until last year was the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Trump.

    What exactly do they mean by national security? Does that mean defending US borders or crossing other countries borders? Isn't national security just a euphemism for the media military industrial complex foreign interventions? It seems to me that Biden is courting the permanent government (aka the Deep State) rather than Democrat voters.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    #3178
    Faugheen
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    Silentcorner wrote: »
    I think the issue is no one is interested in his campaign...a much worse problem.

    Not necessarily a problem when the other half shoots himself in the foot every time though.

    This was always going to be a referendum on Trump, no matter who the candidate was.


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    #3179
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Not necessarily a problem when the other half shoots himself in the foot every time though.

    This was always going to be a referendum on Trump, no matter who the candidate was.

    It's become a referendum on Trump because there is no other candidate...a Bernie Sanders v Trump campaign would look a lot different to this one!!!! If you are honest, you know this to be true.

    There is a reason nobody is coming out to support Biden and it ain't covid.


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    #3180
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    It's become a referendum on Trump because there is no other candidate...a Bernie Sanders v Trump campaign would look a lot different to this one!!!! If you are honest, you know this to be true.

    There is a reason nobody is coming out to support Biden and it ain't covid.

    Actually no, this was always going to be a referendum on Trump.

    If it was Sanders vs Trump then absolutely the campaign is different, but moderates don’t jump to the progressive side so easily unless the other option is horrendous, ergo referendum.


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    #3181
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,522 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    It's become a referendum on Trump because there is no other candidate...a Bernie Sanders v Trump campaign would look a lot different to this one!!!! If you are honest, you know this to be true.

    There is a reason nobody is coming out to support Biden and it ain't covid.

    If you are honest, you know that Trump doesn't come close to Biden in terms of who has the more integrity.


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