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Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*
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Actually and contrary to popular belief plate armour stood up well to musket fireDeleted User wrote: »since armour is little use against guns/laser weapons.
and there was quite the overlap between plate armour and firearms. It went out of fashion for other reasons. Plus in that linked test, it was just the plate alone, minus the chainmail and thick tightly packed jerkin that would be under it, both of which would further slow/deflect any impacts by quite the amount. A man in full harness was significantly more "bulletproof" than the peasant soldiers fighting with them. Actually if you copied an original full suit of medieval armour only using modern composites and kevlar and the like, you'd be pretty much bulletproof against even modern small arms fire.
Lasers? Polish above to mirror finish.
Well knights damn near lived in their armour from dawn to dusk and trained in it too(there's even a training manual that has survived which included climbing trees and going for long runs wearing full plate). Their skeletons show the response to that load and even a woman's body would adapt. The weight is spread all over the body and very fitted to the individual. Put it another way a full harness would weigh less than the average foot soldiers weapons, kit and backpack.I've worn plate armor, and also chain variations (combat reenactments). They're heavy... which is the point. Few women would have the strength/stamina to walk around in a full or even partial set for long periods.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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aside...Actually and contrary to popular belief plate armour stood up well to musket fire
and there was quite the overlap between plate armour and firearms. It went out of fashion for other reasons. Plus in that linked test, it was just the plate alone, minus the chainmail and thick tightly packed jerkin that would be under it, both of which would further slow/deflect any impacts by quite the amount. A man in full harness was significantly more "bulletproof" than the peasant soldiers fighting with them. Actually if you copied an original full suit of medieval armour only using modern composites and kevlar and the like, you'd be pretty much bulletproof against even modern small arms fire.
Lasers? Polish above to mirror finish.
If you look at the firearms used in the star wars universe, they're all high-velocity rifles, more akin to railguns. (I used to do a fair bit of Star wars roleplaying at one stage). The slugs would have torn apart any kind of armour.
No idea on the practicalities of armour and lasers.Well knights damn near lived in their armour from dawn to dusk and trained in it too(there's even a training manual that has survived which included climbing trees and going for long runs wearing full plate). Their skeletons show the response to that load and even a woman's body would adapt. The weight is spread all over the body and very fitted to the individual.
Sure, a woman's body would adapt, but how many women would give up the relative security of their social status to commit to such a lifestyle... because it was a lifestyle, that required building up the stamina to lug around the armour, not simply to walk and move around, but to have the mobility to dodge blows, while also fighting within the constraints that the armour caused to swings/thrusts with weapons. It's not the case of putting it on one day and being able to fight the same day. Christ, a properly made shield is an incredible weight, all in itself.
I did a reenactment gig a few years back of full plate with mauls. I collapsed when the armour was put on me first. I had to get most of it removed, move around under i got used to the weight, add another piece, move around, add another, and so on. It was heavy.. really heavy.. and after getting hit a dozen times by a maul, I felt I needed more.. armour (which in turn means more weight, and the heat/sweat involved.. yuck) interesting experience.. a humbling experience.
In any case, throughout history, the numbers of women who engaged in melee combat while wearing armour is incredibly low.. so there's little "science" to show how they would have adapted and managed such a lifestyle. Sure, some women are born "big", and will develop themselves physically, but the vast majority are simply not designed (physically) to carry that much weight, and to fight with it, or even just to move quickly from A to B.Put it another way a full harness would weigh less than the average foot soldiers weapons, kit and backpack.
Depends on what kind of armour set we're talking about... A professional roman legionary would have had a considerable amount of gear to wear/carry, even when his baggage was dropped. A knight in a full battle rig complete with shield, and a morningstar or heavy broadsword would be pretty nasty in weight.. considering that many needed to be lifted onto horseback since they couldn't raise the weight themselves to mount a horse.
A mate of mine has a partial plate gig, just for the shoulders, with reinforced leather body piece. It's heavy, but nowhere close to being as heavy as battle plate. He has an attachable breastplate, but it doesn't add much, but at the same time, it wouldn't withstand a direct blow either. Armour is interesting..0 -
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Actually that's a modern fallacy. There are zero accounts of knights in full plate requiring hoisting onto horses. Quite the opposite in fact. Plenty of accounts of knights getting back onto horses after been thrown off in battle or joust(and running and climbing siege assault ladders and the like). It was seen as a given. This idea of a knight falling off his horse left like a defenceless and clumsy upturned tortoise is a hollywood myth. One of Henry the 8th's party tricks when him and his mates got together and much wine was consumed was him running the length of the hall and vaulting onto his horse in full plate. And he wasn't exactly svelte(poor horse).Deleted User wrote: »many needed to be lifted onto horseback since they couldn't raise the weight themselves to mount a horse.
I love conversations like this where we can go from "Woke" to a debate on medieval armour. Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Actually that's a modern fallacy. There are zero accounts of knights in full plate requiring hoisting onto horses. Quite the opposite in fact. Plenty of accounts of knights getting back onto horses after been thrown off in battle or joust(and running and climbing siege assault ladders and the like). It was seen as a given. This idea of a knight falling off his horse left like a defenceless and clumsy upturned tortoise is a hollywood myth. One of Henry the 8th's party tricks when him and his mates got together and much wine was consumed was him running the length of the hall and vaulting onto his horse in full plate. And he wasn't exactly svelte(poor horse).
I love conversations like this where we can go from "Woke" to a debate on medieval armour.
Actually, this is why I said that it depended on the Armour set that is being worn. There are so many variations of plate, and other forms of armour, due to the era, or the function that the armour was intended for. Some were designed to be more like tank armour, whereas others were far more flexible. (Consider some of the heavier Teutonic plate armour designs).
But after further reading, yup... I accepted the myth about being winched up to a horse. Interesting.. I'd always assumed it was due to Lords who mightn't be terribly fit needing a help with all that weight. (Tourney Armour, more likely, to have stupid designs or such to improve its appearance but still adding weight to the overall kit)0 -
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Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Join Date:Posts: 59004
It's not women, or men pushing this kinda nonsense(and in the above vid you can be sure there are a bunch of rubber spined "men" outside banging drums to the goddess or some other nonsense). For me the (and almost exclusively western)world consists of your average men and women which is most of us, with a too large loud minority who express ChickThink or BroScience. The above is pure ChickThink. Tends to be the remit of the hard of thinking and even harder on the eye.Deleted User wrote: »^^^ cringe.
Good point that the whole congregation seems to be women.. wonder how many fathers are pushing this nonsense?
And like I said it's almost exclusively current western world thinking. The rest of the planet is WTF? or laughing at it. The west has lost much of the old certainties and in many quarters is suffering from a severe lack of self confidence so is scrabbling about for new "truths" and along the way is embracing a fair bit of complete effing insanity. There's also a huge avoidance of making any judgement, preferring the beige consensus of the group. Avoiding any judgement, means avoiding making a decision and taking responsibility in case you may be judged on it. It's self absorbed, lazy and cowardly. Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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If you ever write a book I promise I will buy and read it
Try Cynical Theories by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay
(It feels like I'm hawking this today but it is vital to understand what is going on and the very real life dangers posed by what's happening)
PS And Wibb's book when it comes out
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