Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*

FunLover18

I feel like this thread starts earlier every year.

I presume this has already been blamed on snowflakes by people complaining about a song not being played on a radio station they never listen to when it's available on YouTube and all other music streaming services.

It was censored on TOTP in 1992, this isn't new.

GT89

GT89 wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. The only good Christmas song is being censored by the scumbags in the BBC pandering to the professionally offended snowflakes as usual just when you thought 2020 couldn't get any worse it just does everything these days offends someone.

It would be much easier if they just gave us a list of things that are not offensive to anyone I'd imagine that list would be miniscule.
https://news.sky.com/story/fairytale-of-new-york-to-be-edited-for-radio-1-broadcast-to-avoid-offending-younger-listeners-12136335

The scumbags, the maggots. The cheap, lousy ******s. Happy Christmas my arse.

joeguevara

It’s the easiest way to get publicity and drum up chatter. If they were so interested in the apparent offence they wouldn’t play the song and furthermore wouldn’t drawn attention to it. This bs should be called out for the shocking commercialism it is. Now, from chatting with some gay mates the word itself can be a hurtful slur but none have ever felt hurt when they listen to this song.

It is perhaps the best Christmas song ever and has a great backstory. Unfortunately it’s being milked by transparent DJs, seem to remember an Irish radio station banning it off the playlist.

Yawn.

Lucy8080

FunLover18 wrote: »

I feel like this thread starts earlier every year.

I presume this has already been blamed on snowflakes by people complaining about a song not being played on a radio station they never listen to when it's available on YouTube and all other music streaming services.

It was censored on TOTP in 1992, this isn't new.

Shane/Kirsty had no problem with reworking the words in '92. The B.B.C. have no problems playing the original on Radio 2 or even on the Gavin and Stacey sitcom.

Context is everything, and I think the Beeb and Shane/The Pogues/Kirsty (r.i.p.) all played their part.

The Daily Mail, well...year in year out they have no shame nor context.

Laurence Fox hash tagged "Defund the B.B.C. " on the basis of a retweet from the Daily Mail.

That is desperate stuff.

BeerWolf

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/11/11/ubisoft-apologise-for-assassins-creed-valhalla-ableist-language/

Someone made a complaint of how it's discriminating burn victims, for a character that had a burn mark on their face...

Seve OB

so is shane still allowed to call kirsty a slut in the song?

freshpopcorn

I’ve never made a gay person to get offended by this. They are like the majority just embarrassed with the fuss that people like Eoghan McDermott make out it every year just so they can score some brownie points.

Say Your Number

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I’ve never made a gay person to get offended by this. They are like the majority just embarrassed with the fuss the people like Eoghan McDermott make out it every year just so they can score some brownie points.

I remember reading the replies to that tweet he sent out, didn't see much support for him, saw a lot of childish namecalling, and talk of snowflakes which is extremely ironic given they were the ones getting worked up at the mere suggestion of a word being censored.

joeguevara

Seve OB wrote: »

so is shane still allowed to call kirsty a slut in the song?

There is a very interesting episode of always sunny in Philadelphia where the gang seeks an arbitrator to rule on the ownership of an unscrathed scratch card. Each one has a claim in one way or another.

The part that is relevant is that Frank saves mac from being crushed by shouting Fa##ot to grab his attention. The argument was that because MAC isn’t gay, while offensive can’t be considered a hate word. Mac then decides to come out as gay to be full owner of the scratcher.

In fairytale, Kirsty uses the word not as a homophobic slur but more out of rage as Shane is her boyfriend and ex lover. So it’s not the offensive slur as shouted from the rooftops. How can let’s say a gay person be offended if a straight person is called it with absolutely nothing to do with sexuality.

Slut is an offensive word to call someone and definitely In the past calling someone promiscuous could be the worst thing said. But nowadays not so much and not something considered to fal in hate crime category.

The whole situation is bs. It’s not an offensive song. It’s a snapshot of the life of two heroin addicts who were dealing with life and love. Don’t rewrite the song. If they don’t like it, don’t play it. Guaranteed they play way worse songs by artists like Kardi B etc.

But fcuck it, Shane gets royalties and shouldn’t be given oxygen.

FYI Dubliners were the first band to have a song banned from top of the pops with the original video of seven drunken nights,

bilbot79

AllForIt wrote: »

https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/mumbai-traffic-light-women-intl-hnk-scli/index.html#:~:text=The%20Indian%20financial%20capital%2C%20home,the%20generic%20male%20stick%20figure.


Various countries including Mumbai as per the article linked have gone to the trouble of changing the stick figures on their traffic lights to that of a female.

The problem with that is, would that not indicate that only woman can cross and visa versa.

You're right. They should share it out equally by having the red light as female and the green light as male.

Tell me how

https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1329393255365095426

Another dog whistle being blown and the troops come a runnin'.

As above, The Pogues themselves couldn't give a toss about this.

46 Long

Tell me how wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1329393255365095426

Another dog whistle being blown and the troops come a runnin'.

As above, The Pogues themselves couldn't give a toss about this.

Ah yes, the noted homophobe Boris Johnson. A man so homophobic that he marched in London Pride Parades, backed same-sex marriage, voted in favour of civil partnerships, banned London buses from carrying advertisements that compared homosexuality to a mental illness and voted in favour of overturning a ban on 'promoting homosexuality in schools'.

joeguevara

This song generates over 500k for Shane each year. The more stations that ban it the better as people will download it in protest. Similar to come out ye Black and Tans going to number 1 in several countries earlier this year after the proposed RIC memorial. Reckon shane is having a bottle of wine (as he is off the drink) laughing his a55 off at this.

Quantum Erasure

BIG GUNZ wrote: »

Also lol at the BBC for thinking young people actually listen to the radio.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2020/rajar-2020-q1
For the first quarter 2020,

Overall, BBC Radio had 33.54 million listeners and a share of 49.7% (from 33.58m/51% in last quarter and 34.44/51.4% last year).

BBC Radio 1 posted a reach of 9.81 million listeners aged 10+ (from 9.72m last quarter and 10.18m last year). There were 8.92 million 15+ listeners (from 8.79m last quarter and 9.30m last year). The Radio 1 Breakfast Show now attracts 5.47 million listeners 10+ (Mon-Thu), from 5.13m last quarter and 5.44m last year. This quarter saw 4.87 million 15+ listeners (Mon-Thu), compared to 4.81m last quarter and 5.04m last year.

joeguevara

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2020/rajar-2020-q1
For the first quarter 2020,

Always wondered how they know the listenership. I know for tv there are boxes given to a cross section of people and they calculated it by pro rata but in radio is weird. Are they saying half of the U.K. tune in?

~Rebel~

Censorship is entirely the wrong word in this context. They're not stopping you or anyone else from doing anything they want. No-one is being censored. No-one is telling them to do anything. They're not telling anyone else to do anything. They're choosing to play one version of the song on one of their own stations, and another version of the song on another of their own stations.

Quantum Erasure

joeguevara wrote: »

Always wondered how they know the listenership. I know for tv there are boxes given to a cross section of people and they calculated it by pro rata but in radio is weird. Are they saying half of the U.K. tune in?

I was looking for more recent figures and found there was none available because they couldn't carry out surveys, due to covid. Not sure what kind of sample size theyd usually work off

joeguevara

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Censorship is entirely the wrong word in this context. They're not stopping you or anyone else from doing anything they want. No-one is being censored. No-one is telling them to do anything. They're not telling anyone else to do anything. They're choosing to play one version of the song on one of their own stations, and another version of the song on another of their own stations.

Agreed. Movies on planes are edited to remove certain things like bad language, violence, s3x scenes etc. Certainly not censored. Or panel shows will bleep out bad language. Anyone who starts raising things like censorship is more of an issue than a radio station dubbing a word. Censorship debate should be reserved for when it is impacting lives, silencing minorities, disguising hate etc. This song, while a classic and a piece of genius is just a song. Shane wrote it to win a bet, not as an instrument to change humanity. A case of being offended for the sake of it and a case of the bbc cashing in on that.

Omackeral

“Various countries including Mumbai”

Congrats on the independence there lads and ladies.

Gervais08

CountNjord wrote: »

Proud bisexual here born in the 70's
Never had an issue with my sexuality or needed to be swinging from the chandler's letting everyone know that I'm a ghey, it wasn't obvious and still isn't... noticeable.

This woke sh1t really pisses off us old school gheys and a lot of us aren't liberals or lefty's were quite conservative apart from a few fruit loops who became professor's or work in social care they're absolute head bangers with the woke culture.

I remember myself and my friend were at pride last year and because we were from the country side the Dubs tried to undermine us, the guy with me is quite butch too and he called them a bunch of femme whatevers...
They got into all this woke, liberal lefty bllsh17

I'm an old school ghey/poof/bender/shirtlifter/queer/arse bandit/ fag/ uphill Gardener...

I'm sick of people undermining the gay community by using our sexuality to get rid of a song/book/movie/art/songs and many more things that I and my fag friends are meant to be offended for the sake of other people telling us how to ****ing live in society and we should be sensitive or SJW woke liberal etc .

Well as a man who likes sleeping with men, I say **** this woke ****e, we've had enough of our sexuality being used by liberals and SJWs to justify their wokebess..

There's SFA wrong with fairy tale of new York, it's a song, they're words, it's art...

Woke *****

You sir are an inspiration!!

I’ve talked with guys who were out in the 70s and 80s pre-legalization who feel the same.

Much happiness to you.

Seamai

Gay mid 50's here, while I really dislike the song for it's depressing content, I have zero issues with the term f*gg*t used in it. I find it ridiculous that BBC Radio 1 are going to edit it to avoid offending their younger listeners but Radio 2 will play the original version. Why not just wrap everyone under 40 in cotton wool? It's no wonder that so many from that generation have no coping mechanisms when faced with the slightest adversity. Maybe the powers that be should actually consult the gay community before being offended on our behalf.

I couldn't even post the F word on this site by way of example without altering it and have received several warning in the past for using certain terms deemed by the mods here as being homophobic, derogatory and inflammatory.

Gervais08

Seamai wrote: »

Gay mid 50's here, while I really dislike the song for it's depressing content, I have zero issues with the term f*gg*t used in it. I find it ridiculous that BBC Radio 1 are going to edit it to avoid offending their younger listeners but Radio 2 will play the original version. Why not just wrap everyone under 40 in cotton wool? It's no wonder that so many from that generation have no coping mechanisms when faced with the slightest adversity. Maybe the powers that be should actually consult the gay community before being offended on our behalf.

It’s like white kids screaming abuse at black police officers about BLM.

They don’t actually CARE about the issue - just that it’s something to use for their activism.

Good on you btw!!

Omackeral

It’s the BBC. It’s a different country. Don’t worry about it.

These folks that give out a lot about the Brits sure do love consuming their media. Same when they complain about the English football teamand the coverage they receive. That’s what happens when you attach their media to yourself.

sbsquarepants

AllForIt wrote: »

https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/mumbai-traffic-light-women-intl-hnk-scli/index.html#:~:text=The%20Indian%20financial%20capital%2C%20home,the%20generic%20male%20stick%20figure.

Is it just me, or does Ms Green look like she's bursting for a wee, but doesn't want to go into the toilet because the other ladies are waving their mickeys around?
No? It's probably just me so:D

Salvation Tambourine

BeerWolf wrote: »

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/11/11/ubisoft-apologise-for-assassins-creed-valhalla-ableist-language/

Someone made a complaint of how it's discriminating burn victims, for a character that had a burn mark on their face...

It's absolutely ridiculous that Ubisoft have come out and said they will remove something from their game based on one tweet by someone. I know it shouldn't matter but this person has just over 2,500 followers so it's not like it's someone with a massive presence on Twitter that could actually make a difference to their fan base.

I don't care what the thing being removed is but to pander to one means they'll be barraged with requests now and will have to justify not taking out the "I found this racist" piece of dialog that someone will inevitably find.

IAMAMORON

Eeny, meeny, miny, moe

CountNjord

Gervais08 wrote: »

You sir are an inspiration!!

I’ve talked with guys who were out in the 70s and 80s pre-legalization who feel the same.

Much happiness to you.

Thanks for the nice response, no but it's sickens me and my friends who experienced the whole coming out in the 80's and 90's etc and being honest we were a different breed of gay.
We lost friends and friends of friends because of a different epidemic, today these young men have prep and medication to suppress the virus that killed off thousands of gays.
Yet these woke liberal SJWs think they're standing up for the gay community... they can f u c k right off..

We were less sensitive, are less sensitive and happier with our lives than the gays today who have everything we fought for , for those c u n t s who are undermining us at every corner of opportunistic wokeness.

We don't need people taking our corner, we don't need the flame's that settled to be stoked because some w a n k e r of a sociology professor says go out there and get offended.

We don't need to change our past, it was an adventure of small communities of togetherness and conviviality of men and women who were gay and we worked hard to make life easier for generations in the future.. and forever

We didn't get offended, you rose above it, you learn that it's better to be honest with yourself rather than be letting people drag you down.

Gays had a great sense of humour back in the day, the laughs we all had and do you know what I lived back then homophobia wasn't a word you'd hear bandied about.

Someone might say, yer mans gay but that's it.
He's still a neighbor, family friend your local funny flamboyant gay.

No doubt father's found it hard accepting their son's are gay, but I'd say 95% of families accepted it.
My dad's a hard man from a rural area, he didn't bat an eyelid when I said I swing both ways.
He put his hand on my shoulder and said son I thought you had something serious to tell me, that was it no questions or drama..

Gervais08

CountNjord wrote: »

Thanks for the nice response, no but it's sickens me and my friends who experienced the whole coming out in the 80's and 90's etc and being honest we were a different breed of gay.
We lost friends and friends of friends because of a different epidemic, today these young men have prep and medication to suppress the virus that killed off thousands of gays.
Yet these woke liberal SJWs think they're standing up for the gay community... they can f u c k right off..

We were less sensitive, are less sensitive and happier with our lives than the gays today who have everything we fought for , for those c u n t s who are undermining us at every corner of opportunistic wokeness.

We don't need people taking our corner, we don't need the flame's that settled to be stoked because some w a n k e r of a sociology professor says go out there and get offended.

We don't need to change our past, it was an adventure of small communities of togetherness and conviviality of men and women who were gay and we worked hard to make life easier for generations in the future.. and forever

We didn't get offended, you rose above it, you learn that it's better to be honest with yourself rather than be letting people drag you down.

Gays had a great sense of humour back in the day, the laughs we all had and do you know what I lived back then homophobia wasn't a word you'd hear bandied about.

Someone might say, yer mans gay but that's it.
He's still a neighbor, family friend your local funny flamboyant gay.

No doubt father's found it hard accepting their son's are gay, but I'd say 95% of families accepted it.
My dad's a hard man from a rural area, he didn't bat an eyelid when I said I swing both ways.
He put his hand on my shoulder and said son I thought you had something serious to tell me, that was it no questions or drama..

Other than we might share a taste in men I’d ask for your hand in marriage!!!

That is the best post I’ve read on here in an age - refreshing!!!!

Gervais08

Nokotan wrote: »

It's absolutely ridiculous that Ubisoft have come out and said they will remove something from their game based on one tweet by someone. I know it shouldn't matter but this person has just over 2,500 followers so it's not like it's someone with a massive presence on Twitter that could actually make a difference to their fan base.

I don't care what the thing being removed is but to pander to one means they'll be barraged with requests now and will have to justify not taking out the "I found this racist" piece of dialog that someone will inevitably find.

I watched I Feel Pretty the other night (I was on the beer and the footy was ****e).

Can I tweet that I was offended as a fat bird to think that if we ever imagine we’re fit we turn into ****ing bitches???

I wouldn’t like but that’s how stupid it’s all getting!!!

Hamsterchops

GT89 wrote: »

BBC to censor Fairytale of New York.

* Correction; BBC Radio 1 to play censored version of Fairytale of New York.

All other BBC Radio stations (Radio 2 Inc) are free to play either version as they see fit. The reason Radio 1 has taken this action is because it's has a youff listenership that may take offence at the full fat version of the song, God bless'em