Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*

Formosa

Haven't read through the last 360 pages (imagine the torture!) so apologies if already covered.

I went looking to see what this Hersheys controversy is about and came across this paragraph here :

"#BoycottHersheys was the top trending topic on Twitter once users saw Fae Johnstone, a transgender woman and 2SLGBTQIA+ advocate, was one of five women who are being honored as part of the confectioner’s “Her for She” campaign."

I know people used to sneer about the entire alphabet being used in the acronym, but we're getting there, FFS.

For similarly uninitiated, "2SLGBTQIA+ is an acronym that stands for Two-Spirit, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer or Questioning, Intersex, Asexual, and additional sexual orientations and gender identities."

Badly Drunk Boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120336085#Comment_120336085

I'm not a fan of that big list of letters so I'm happy that they're giving numbers a chance too. 😂 (I hadn't heard of two-spirit.)

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120336107#Comment_120336107

It's a very Canadian thing. It come from some Indigenous folklore IIRC.

Rothko

Have no idea why Enoch was brought up in the first place.

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120336178#Comment_120336178

To imply that some of us who didn't agree with children being brought to see a man in a thong are hypocrites who agree with Burke.

Rothko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120336240#Comment_120336240

Yeah, it's a sure sign that they have no logical argument so they have to resort to that type of sh*te.

Mod:

Enough of the name calling from all sides here please. If you find someone is either being a troll, bigot or otherwise report them.

If this topic can’t be discussed without resorting to accusations of trolling or bigotry then it probably is best you remove yourself from the discussion.

If you are incapable of doing so I will help you.

It’s the most interesting topic (imo) to visit this thread and the discussion surrounding it has been rather engaging so I’d rather it continues unabated and without dragging the thread into the mud.

Thanks

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120336035#Comment_120336035

I can understand the confusion given the outrage expressed by the anti-woke in the last few pages :)

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120333743#Comment_120333743

Why is it inappropriate for an infant to see someone dancing in a thong and knee high boots when the infant is not aware of any erotic contexts, and the dancer is not more undressed than a sunbather on the beach or someone going for a run shirtless in the summer?

Still waiting for someone to answer this btw. 🙄🙄🙄

Paterson Jerins

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120336554#Comment_120336554

Fugue already answered this, and explained numerous times how you are wrong.

Ireland is not full of transphhobic racists btw

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120336672#Comment_120336672

No they haven’t. Their responses have all been vague non-answers like “of course you don’t really believe that’s inappropriate,” accusing other posters of trolling or twisting their words (funny how that happens in every single thread they post in), and saying that people dance similarly in strip clubs.

As to why the dancing while dressed like that is (emphasis on the next word) inherently indecent and inappropriate for infants has never been addressed, beyond bleating “come you just know it is.”

Well I don’t know how it is inappropriate and I have asked at least five times why. A question that remains unanswered. Why? Because it is unanswerable. Dancing dressed like that in front of toddlers simply is not inappropriate.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120336085#Comment_120336085

Ahh you missed the best part of the whole Herseys episode! I mean apart from ‘what happens outside the US, stays outside the US’ 😳

https://www.confectionerynews.com/Article/2022/06/30/Cocoa-child-slavery-lawsuit-against-Hershey-Nestle-Cargill-dismissed-by-US-judge

The best part was that consumers of chocolate in the US now have even more choices in gorging on shìt chocolate while simultaneously signalling their virtues… the ad itself though is comedy gold 😁

https://youtu.be/ww5Lf97hXQM

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120336916#Comment_120336916

The manner of dress is inherently indecent, one is in a bondage harness and the other is in a leopard print thong. There is no way you can't understand that and before you bring it up it would still be indecent if they were women.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120336985#Comment_120336985

It would be inherently indecent dress going to the shop or going to mass, perhaps, but it’s not inherently indecent for a performance on stage, even if it’s in front of very young children. It’s not more titillating than seeing someone sunbathing on the beach anyway.

Is that it?

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120337053#Comment_120337053

It IS though CGI because that’s the entire purpose of the performance, is to titillate. That’s why I personally anyway viewed the whole idea as dumb, and frankly a bit sad that they would try and pass that off as entertainment for anyone, let alone the idea that it is aimed at mothers so they can bring their babies along.

Someone sunbathing on a beach isn’t necessarily doing so to entertain an audience, the idea isn’t motivated by titillation. It’s an entirely different context, one which you’re falsely equating to suggest the two circumstances are no different, when the nature of the acts and the motivations behind them are entirely different.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120337132#Comment_120337132

It IS though CGI because that’s the entire purpose of the performance, is to titillate.

Not necessarily, performances such as those are purely titillating inside of the aforementioned strip clubs but in places such as community halls, museums, art galleries they tend to have more artistic merit.

I can’t speak for that piece but I have seen pieces of performance art in museums, for example, that people of a certain age (and mindset, more so the mindset actually) would consider purely pornographic.

Unfortunately I see now that the majority of this criticism is along those lines, prudish people shrewishly calling art pornography and screeching about ”the children.”

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120337053#Comment_120337053

Let's switch it up a bit. Imagine the pictures were dads bringing their kids to thong bikini clad women pole-dancers, would that be inappropriate?

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120337219#Comment_120337219

No.

Karppi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120336107#Comment_120336107

Gin, and Vodka

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120337202#Comment_120337202

Because there were children there. Has anyone here actually said these performances should be banned for adults?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120337236#Comment_120337236

Doubt.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120337202#Comment_120337202

The most perplexing part of your post is that you’re of the opinion there is any artistic merit in what was going on there, it has about as much artistic merit as sticking a banana to a wall and calling it Art! 😳

Just because it’s done on a budget of about £20 for the costumes doesn’t mean it has any more artistic merit than whether it’s performed in a community hall, a strip club or London’s West End. The point of Cabaret has always been titillation and entertaining an audience, literally to excite and delight, whereas naked sunbathing is literally just done with the intention of soaking up some rays. It’s not inherently exhibitionist or attempting to express any artistic concepts. Cabaret has never been high-brow artistic expression. It’s low-brow entertainment, and that company just plumbed new depths.

I can’t speak to the majority of the criticism it’s receiving, but your characterisations speaks to your own attempts to suggest that people who don’t regard this nonsense as high art are somehow the issue, and not the fact that it’s a bullshìt attempt to make a few quid from women who would have to be incredibly bored to find it entertaining. There’s a market for it, unquestionably, but suggesting it constitutes art and that somehow elevates it above criticism from people who “just don’t understand art”…

I’ve heard that before 🤔

Leg End Reject

Maybe we're all just philistines who can't see the high-brow artistic merit others can in a leopard print thong?

Would that also explain why we can't appreciate why erotica won't register with children at an artistic display, but it would if those very same children were to attend a strip club, to the point that they would be at risk of simulating sexually suggestive movements? 🤔🤔

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120335503#Comment_120335503

People aren't foaming at the mouth here though. Now I have seen people losing their marbles elsewhere - calling it sick, depraved, grooming, abuse... that they should go to jail, kids taken off the parents etc. Preposterous stuff for sure.

But the rest of us are just thinking stuff like "Ah jeez, that's not for toddlers", "Why would you have a dude in just a budgie-smuggling g-string and contorting like a lapdancer as an entertainer for kids that young?", "Parents just trying to be edgy." Be honest, wouldn't you think it was weird as fuq if suggested to you before all of this? Everyone would, but some feel the need to be disingenuous so that they'll never show agreement with their "enemies", and they'll pretend and pretend that it's nothing - faux wonder why people object (and use toiletpaper thin analogies like the beach and art galleries - when this event was conceived literally with entertaining kids in mind) and paint those of us with the view that it's like Hooters but not evil/abuse etc... as being just as bad as the crazy crowd. When we are completely moderate. It is very much an attempt to gas-light.

It's so vindictive, and a bit warped. Risqué imagery has always been kept away from young children - it's cheap to pretend that that was never a thing, and that only pearl clutchers find fault with it. Couldn't they focus their weird crusade of sticking it to their "enemies" on an area that doesn't involve kids being entertained by a raunchy dude?!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120337756#Comment_120337756

I never accused anyone of being hysterical personally and I’d agree with that yeah. I think holding enemy lists on boards.ie is madness anyway 😂 I can disagree with someone 9/10 times but there may well be a time where we agree.

I definitely don’t think it’s appropriate specifically for a toddler anyway and am in two minds about parents bringing kids like I don’t know if it’s that big of a deal I guess. But it’s not in the context of a show meant for kids but rather one that kids have been in attendance.

its definitely quite strange though..

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120337970#Comment_120337970

Yeah sorry, you said foaming at the mouth, not hysterical. Edited.

It's called Caba-baba-rave though. It actually was conceived as an entertainment event for small kiddies - their parents too obviously - but not just for parents who can't get a babysitter. It's bloody bizarre.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64907422

Women allowed to go topless in Berlin swimming pools (announced on Women's Day) - not sure if this is woke or won't-someone-please-think-of-the-children (could go either way with you lot...) - and I don't have a Twitter account so I'm kinda not used to this....

farmingquestion

I guarantee that if there were half naked women dancing in thongs in front of young children, the usual crowd would be up in arms saying this is teaching young boys to objectify women and it'll lead to misogyny when they grow up.

farmingquestion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120335042#Comment_120335042

I always thought that the whole dying of religion would lead to a vacuum that would be filled by something else.

I also kinda thought that mental health problems might be a social contagion too. Like we're spammed with "it's okay not to be okay" type stuff nowadays that I feel it'll make people subconsciously feel that if they're not depressed they're abnormal.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120339190#Comment_120339190

It's mad how someone can freely claim that people are inventing being mentally ill in order to fit in, but I point out how absurd that is and I get accused of being a troll.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120339190#Comment_120339190

threadbanned.

ive decided to reverse this after another look at it, I misread the latter half of the post. My mistake. Do not quote on thread.