How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

Icyseanfitz

khalessi wrote: »

I heard someone on the tv suggesting it was to get the economy up and running and decrease interruption to staffing issues.

Nice of the virus to give us 4 extra days for our economy over every other country, luck of the Irish :pac:

Purplewaters

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But you don't need the information. I am a bit of a data nerd, and would like the information also, but me having the information is not necessary for any decisions that need to be made. As I said, we need the information for the schools that impact us, but not for those on the other side of the country, with different case profiles in their area. What happens in one area should inform the actions in another area when an outbreak occurs - e.g if the pod system is found wanting in that outbreaks occur in the wider class group when only pods are isolated, that should inform actions in other schools in other areas when issues arise. However parents making decisions based on incomplete information on what is happening elsewhere will just increase the level of panic.
Even if there were no cases in my county for 2 weeks, if multiple parents were withdrawing their kids due to schools outbreaks in other counties would make you question myself as to whether to leave my kids in school. But that is an emotional response, not a rational, fact based action.

Well I also don't need to follow their rules if I don't trust their advice. So if you want people to comply you need to be honest and transparent. The media are clearly not reporting anything and it's making me trust the whole thing less. If you want people to behave in a restricted manner you need them to trust you.

meeeeh

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Quite entertaining that nphet/government has now reduced the self isolation period from 14 days to 10 days, have we a different virus in Ireland? I am unaware of any other country that has done this.

Probably just a way to get teachers and students back into the building quicker. I give up at this stage.

Austria I know has 10 days for a while now, Slovenia brought ot in recently. I doubt they are the first ones to do so.

Edit: UK, Netherlands is 10, France is 7 I think.

It was quite easy to Google this and it might be better to do that next time instead insinuating that Ireland is some weird outlier.

Icyseanfitz

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Quite entertaining that nphet/government has now reduced the self isolation period from 14 days to 10 days, have we a different virus in Ireland? I am unaware of any other country that has done this.

Probably just a way to get teachers and students back into the building quicker. I give up at this stage.

This is for those who have tested positive and are clear of fever at least 5 days, indicating they have recovered, and is perfectly compliant with clinical practice. The 14 days is still in place for those who are contacts of a confirmed case. So it will in no way get teachers and students back to school quicker in the event of a case in school.

It would be nice is folks actually read what the are pontificating about before completely getting the wrong end of the stick

WHO guidance:

New recommendation (published on 27 May 2020 as part of more comprehensive clinical care guidance1)
Within the Clinical Management of COVID-19 interim guidance published on 27 May 2020,1 WHO updated the criteria for discharge from isolation as part of the clinical care pathway of a COVID-19 patient. These criteria apply to all COVID-19 cases regardless of isolation location or disease severity.

Criteria for discharging patients from isolation (i.e., discontinuing transmission-based precautions) without requiring retesting[1]:

For symptomatic patients: 10 days after symptom onset, plus at least 3 additional days without symptoms (including without fever [2] and without respiratory symptoms)[3]
For asymptomatic cases[4]: 10 days after positive test for SARS-CoV-2

wirelessdude01

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I do wonder what the thinking and science is behind this?

khalessi wrote: »

I heard someone on the tv suggesting it was to get the economy up and running and decrease interruption to staffing issues.

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Nice of the virus to give us 4 extra days for our economy over every other country, luck of the Irish :pac:

Or maybe its aligning the guidance with what the WHO has said since May

https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/criteria-for-releasing-covid-19-patients-from-isolation

drunkmonkey

Lovely, this is basically every parent unless you lock the kid in a shed out the back.

Parents of children who cannot self-isolate must stay at home for 17 days
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/parents-of-children-who-cannot-self-isolate-must-stay-at-home-for-17-days-39532083.html

You'd really want to be sick before getting a test now, that's a big ask.

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Lovely, this is basically every parent unless you lock the kid in a shed out the back.

Parents of children who cannot self-isolate must stay at home for 17 days
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/parents-of-children-who-cannot-self-isolate-must-stay-at-home-for-17-days-39532083.html

You'd really want to be sick before getting a test now, that's a big ask.

That's for a child who has had covid. They are not permitted to go to work anyway for 14 days as they are a close contact. Extending by 3 days is because if you have caught it from someone you are caring for, it will not necessarily be on the first day they are infectious. People are generally most infections for 2 days before and 3 days after first symptoms. Therefore adding 3 days to the 14 makes perfect sense

PhoenixParker

Murple wrote: »

I find it very strange that no media outlet has printed the information on the number of schools with cases. It’s almost like they’ve been told not to print stories about Covid in schools. It was the same with the outbreak in the crèche in Meath. It appeared for a few hours in the headlines of one news website and then disappeared. It didn’t even make the other sites at all. Yet meat factories were reported on for days.

Therell be a report on clusters published tomorrow by the hspc.
As of 5th September (date of last reports data) there'd only been one actual cluster in a creche here, which presumably is the one in Meath.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19outbreaksclustersinireland/

There are cases but not so many clusters I think.

drunkmonkey

Deleted User wrote: »

That's for a child who has had covid. They are not permitted to go to work anyway for 14 days as they are a close contact. Extending by 3 days is because if you have caught it from someone you are caring for, it will not necessarily be on the first day they are infectious. People are generally most infections for 2 days before and 3 days after first symptoms. Therefore adding 3 days to the 14 makes perfect sense

The odds are you won't even know you had it only for the positive test. Nobody might be sick, they already have a problem with contacts not turning up for tests this will only add to it, maybe that's the plan though to turn parents off even getting kids tested in the first place.
Not every house is the same, 17 days is pretty much impossible in a lot of houses and could also lead to financial stress if both parents off work, creches, child minders etc will still want to be paid along with the banks.

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The odds are you won't even know you had it only for the positive test. Nobody might be sick, they already have a problem with contacts not turning up for tests this will only add to it, maybe that's the plan though to turn parents off even getting kids tested in the first place.
Not every house is the same, 17 days is pretty much impossible in a lot of houses and could also lead to financial stress if both parents off work, creches, child minders etc will still want to be paid along with the banks.

Lets knowingly send children with covid in to schools and creches instead, while we still go to work knowing we have a child with the virus and also have a high probability of catching it and passing it on to our colleagues, who many not be so lucky to escape the worst effects or have vulnerable people at home. And also have a high likelyhood of our employer being shut down for a while due to an outbreak.

Its worth thinking sometimes

drunkmonkey

Deleted User wrote: »

Its worth thinking sometimes

It sure is, I think people will weigh up the pros and cons of getting a non mandatory test and decide to just ride out the sniffles before jumping for a test so quickly.

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It sure is, I think people will weigh up the pros and cons of getting a non mandatory test and decide to just ride out the sniffles before jumping for a test so quickly.

and pass it on to their colleagues, their vulnerable relatives, shutting schools, requiring them to stay home anyway and shutting their employer down for a time, probably putting their log term job prospects at greater risk. We are great for the sort term, I'm alright Jack thinking in this country, but our actions have longer term impacts on ourselves and others

Happydays2020

Donnelly back on the radio. “We have got to keep the hospitals open”

drunkmonkey

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Donnelly back on the radio. “We have got to keep the hospitals open”

Was he thinking of closing them?

meeeeh

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Was he thinking of closing them?

Ask people with cancer or similar how easy was to get treatment in spring.

screamer

Interested to hear this plan, one website reporting that parents with children who cannot self isolate will need to self isolate for 17 days....... that is not feasible in the slightest.

wirelessdude01

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Donnelly back on the radio. “We have got to keep the hospitals open”

This lad strikes me as someone who appears to not have a clue.

wirelessdude01

screamer wrote: »

Interested to hear this plan, one website reporting that parents with children who cannot self isolate will need to self isolate for 17 days....... that is not feasible in the slightest.

????

Blondini

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Donnelly back on the radio. “We have got to keep the hospitals open”

Well, erm, you'd fcuking hope so.

screamer

screamer wrote: »

Interested to hear this plan, one website reporting that parents with children who cannot self isolate will need to self isolate for 17 days....... that is not feasible in the slightest.

Is this only being realised now? If you are a close contact you need to isolate for 14 days, regardless of testing. If you are minding an infectious child, you have potential exposure on more than 1 day, so naturally the isolation period needs to be extended.

s1ippy

I can't believe that this is needing to be said.

JimmyVik

s1ippy wrote: »

I can't believe that this is needing to be said.

We kept ours of school for a sore throat, sneezing and runny nose.
Called the doc. Doc said send them in tomorrow if it stays the same and doesnt get worse.

caveat emptor

Is there any official guidance on keeping windows open? I didn't see any one window open this morning. Had to ask the teacher.

https://twitter.com/jljcolorado/status/1305634728523886593?s=20

s1ippy

s1ippy wrote: »

I can't believe that this is needing to be said.

Their advice is not 100% accurate there

When to keep your child at home and phone your GP
Do not send your child to school or childcare if any of the following is true.

Your child has:

a temperature of 38 degrees Celsius or more
any other common symptoms of coronavirus - a new cough, loss or changed sense of taste or smell, or shortness of breath
been in close contact with someone who has tested positive for coronavirus
been living with someone who is unwell and may have coronavirus
an existing breathing condition that has recently got worse
You will need to:

Isolate your child from other people - this means keeping them at home and completely avoiding contact with other people, as much as possible. Read advice on self-isolation
Phone your GP - they will advise you if your child needs a coronavirus test.
Everyone that your child lives with should also restrict their movements, at least until your child gets a diagnosis from their GP or a coronavirus test result. This means not going to school, childcare or work.
Treat your child at home for their symptoms.
Your child should only leave your home to have a test or to see your GP.

Follow the advice on what to do if your child:

is given another diagnosis by your GP
is not tested and is also not given another diagnosis from your GP
tests positive for coronavirus
tests negative for coronavirus
Diarrhoea and other symptoms
If your child has symptoms such as diarrhoea, headaches or a sore throat keep them at home for at least 48 hours. These are not common symptoms of coronavirus, but they could be a sign of another infection.

Keep an eye on their symptoms for 48 hours. After 48 hours it's usually okay to send your child back to school or childcare as long as:

their symptoms do not get worse
they do not develop new symptoms
they do not need paracetamol or ibuprofen during these 48-hours
You and the rest of your family can continue your daily lives as usual. You do not need to restrict your movements as long as you are not ill.

DSN

JimmyVik wrote: »

We kept ours of school for a sore throat, sneezing and runny nose.
Called the doc. Doc said send them in tomorrow if it stays the same and doesnt get worse.

Think kids if ill at school will always say they did not feel great in the morning so I would not mind this & stop blaming parents all the time.
My sons friend sent home last week for runny / blocked nose, other kids commented that snot seeping through the mask & he was embarrassed & flustered so parent was called for to bring him home!

Boggles

DSN wrote: »

Think kids if ill at school will always say they did not feel great in the morning so I would not mind this & stop blaming parents all the time.
My sons friend sent home last week for runny / blocked nose, other kids commented that snot seeping through the mask & he was embarrassed & flustered so parent was called for to bring him home!

Fúcking proper order. :eek:

That snot waterfall didn't just start at 9.01.

Covid aside, he shouldn't have been let near a school.

Padraig Mor

Anyone know if there's specific guidance re singing etc in classes (primary)? Seems my kid's third class are singing away (sitting down).

the corpo

caveat emptor wrote: »

Is there any official guidance on keeping windows open? I didn't see any one window open this morning. Had to ask the teacher.

https://twitter.com/jljcolorado/status/1305634728523886593?s=20

The roadmap originally said windows should be kept open....where possible.

I'm not sure where the current advice is, but this is one I think parents need to request schools to enforce.

PCros

caveat emptor wrote: »

Is there any official guidance on keeping windows open? I didn't see any one window open this morning. Had to ask the teacher.

https://twitter.com/jljcolorado/status/1305634728523886593?s=20

My kids school has had window's open every day since they went back. It's almost like clockwork each morning.

Sure its nearly 20 degrees at the moment.

Its unlikely to continue into the winter though.

PCros

PCros wrote: »

My kids school has had window's open every day since they went back. It's almost like clockwork each morning.

Sure its nearly 20 degrees at the moment.

Its unlikely to continue into the winter though.

Luckily enough my kids school as massive south facing windows in every classroom, so having them open, even in winter, should not be a major issue