How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

Jim Root

I dunno, I’ve been dropping off my kid off quickly and quietly this past 2 weeks and can’t help noticing the amount of weapons and spas standing around talking, lead by example parents eh? Move on ffs

Boggles

Warbeastrior wrote: »

SNA I know say he's working with a group of 16 year olds in secondary school who are very tough behavioural wise. Class off about 13 and always at least half of them wearing the masks under the nose or mouth, won't stay 1m apart, passing items. He said one actually passed a sweet to another which he put straight in his mouth.
He's blue in the face calling them out but cos he doesn't necessarily discipline them, they don't listen. He says they don't listen to the teachers either. The Covid rep and the class tutor aren't reassuring him much that something will be done.
Its simply unfair on him.

It's uncommon for biological humans of that age to transmit the virus indoors.

Be grand shure.

Elliejo

Boggles wrote: »

It's uncommon for biological humans of that age to transmit the virus indoors.

Be grand shure.

But only if they're in a school building during school hours of course.

Icyseanfitz

Warbeastrior wrote: »

SNA I know say he's working with a group of 16 year olds in secondary school who are very tough behavioural wise. Class off about 13 and always at least half of them wearing the masks under the nose or mouth, won't stay 1m apart, passing items. He said one actually passed a sweet to another which he put straight in his mouth.
He's blue in the face calling them out but cos he doesn't necessarily discipline them, they don't listen. He says they don't listen to the teachers either. The Covid rep and the class tutor aren't reassuring him much that something will be done.
Its simply unfair on him.

I also work as an SNA with similar age groups, except around 25-30 in a class. Masks are the exact same, under the nose, on the forehead, under chin etc. Also witnessed two second year girls today sharing a bottle of water with each other what can you do.

khalessi

77 schools on list, 23 new 6 pending

https://twitter.com/schools_19/status/1305529845217099776

I realise some people think this list is unreliable but it is all we have got and Emma Cassidy works hard to ensure it is correct. She also put them on Google maps so people can see that.

https://twitter.com/schools_19/status/1305521026789502977

SusanC10

A friend of mine is tracking schools too. She is on that FB Page, Twitter and reads local news/radio pages.
By her reckoning there are 89 different schools. Majority in Dublin.
She is not publishing this info but is keeping a few of us updated.

It's a lot in such a short time.

SusanC10

Also - for anyone interested, I got a call today from our daughter's 5th Class teacher - "choir practice" not going ahead anymore.

khalessi

khalessi wrote: »

77 schools on list, 23 new 6 pending

https://twitter.com/schools_19/status/1305529845217099776

I realise some people think this list is unreliable but it is all we have got and Emma Cassidy works hard to ensure it is correct. She also put them on Google maps so people can see that.

https://twitter.com/schools_19/status/1305521026789502977

Any drop off yet? Must be almost two weeks since the first

Boggles

SusanC10 wrote: »

A friend of mine is tracking schools too. She is on that FB Page, Twitter and reads local news/radio pages.
By her reckoning there are 89 different schools. Majority in Dublin.
She is not publishing this info but is keeping a few of us updated.

It's a lot in such a short time.

I imagine it has surpassed a 100 or at least to close to it.

So if it is a class in each that is 2500 families scaled up.

The pertinent question is what sort of surveillance has taken place for those families.

For instance if a family member tests positive 8 days later, does the surveillance join the dots back to the class or does that person just go into the standard contact tracing pot.

Which is traced back 48 hours after symptoms began.

Of course NPHET will not be notified of any clusters from schools if that is the case.

wirelessdude01

I know of a school on that list and the class teacher was only contacted by contact tracing 5 days after their principal sent them home.

Murple

I find it very strange that no media outlet has printed the information on the number of schools with cases. It’s almost like they’ve been told not to print stories about Covid in schools. It was the same with the outbreak in the crèche in Meath. It appeared for a few hours in the headlines of one news website and then disappeared. It didn’t even make the other sites at all. Yet meat factories were reported on for days.

wirelessdude01

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I know of a school on that list and the class teacher was only contacted by contact tracing 5 days after their principal sent them home.

Well they were sent home to isolate. Do we think you should only isolate when contacted by the tracing team?

khalessi

Deleted User wrote: »

Well they were sent home to isolate. Do we think you should only isolate when contacted by the tracing team?

No but they should be contacted so their contacts can be traced.

Re above list have a look at previous list and check

s1ippy

JimmyVik wrote: »

That map isnt accurate.
We got an email last week about a class being sent home from our school.
Another school where a friends wife works also have positive cases.

Neither school is in that map.

But I agree with the sentiment that there is something up with the dissemination of information about schools
Its actually information that the public is most concerned about right now, yet it is not part of the daily briefings.
You would think if it was good news that they would tell the public to ease their fears, but they are doing the opposite.

Submit those cases to her so. That's how she finds out and then verifies the information. You're complaining about it not being updated when you have information that could help to update it.

khalessi

khalessi wrote: »

No but they should be contacted so their contacts can be traced.

Re above list have a look at previous list and check

Per the post, class teacher was a contact not a confirmed case, so no requirement to trace the teacher. And given they should have been isolating, even if they subsequently tested positive they would only implicate household contacts.

In fact other than to tell someone to isolate, there is probably little value in testing close contacts until 6 days post potential exposure unless there are symptoms.

The school classes returning is as important as those out. I presume the first couple out since the first are back in tomorrow, indicating no transmission.

wirelessdude01

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well they were sent home to isolate. Do we think you should only isolate when contacted by the tracing team?

Point being that there is an obvious issue somewhere in the contact tracing. This isn't the only story along similar lines that I'm aware of.

Another one where a lady tested positive. Two sisters identified as close contacts. One of whom was contacted relatively quickly, the other is still waiting on the call from contact tracing three weeks later. This is one example.

Somewhere along the line there is an issue where people are falling through the cracks.

lulublue22

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well they were sent home to isolate. Do we think you should only isolate when contacted by the tracing team?

People don’t exist in a bubble - if I’m waiting 5 days to be contacted not a mind tested then my secondary school children are missing school and my husband work unless they merrily head on their way which would be fine unless I subsequently tested positive and then you have two schools and a workplace possibly affected.

lulublue22

lulublue22 wrote: »

People don’t exist in a bubble - if I’m waiting 5 days to be contacted not a mind tested then my secondary school children are missing school and my husband work unless they merrily head on their way which would be fine unless I subsequently tested positive and then you have two schools and a workplace possibly affected.

If you are identified as a close contact you have to isolate for 14 days irrespective of test result. Also, you are unlikely to test positive in the first few days after exposure anyway.

PCros

Murple wrote: »

I find it very strange that no media outlet has printed the information on the number of schools with cases. It’s almost like they’ve been told not to print stories about Covid in schools. It was the same with the outbreak in the crèche in Meath. It appeared for a few hours in the headlines of one news website and then disappeared. It didn’t even make the other sites at all. Yet meat factories were reported on for days.

Not to be flippant but the school cases are not as attractive to print compared to the meat factories - that’s what the media would be thinking.

Schools are currently having 1 case a day per school as opposed to 90 cases in one meat factory alone with clusters following that. You need a headline, not the same thing each day.

God forbid it ever comes to anything like that in a school, but that’s the only time the media will latch on.

meeeeh

Murple wrote: »

I find it very strange that no media outlet has printed the information on the number of schools with cases. It’s almost like they’ve been told not to print stories about Covid in schools. It was the same with the outbreak in the crèche in Meath. It appeared for a few hours in the headlines of one news website and then disappeared. It didn’t even make the other sites at all. Yet meat factories were reported on for days.

Meat factories had clusters big enough that closed whole counties. I'm not saying clusters in schools won't happen because they will but I am not aware of any.

meeeeh

lulublue22 wrote: »

People don’t exist in a bubble - if I’m waiting 5 days to be contacted not a mind tested then my secondary school children are missing school and my husband work unless they merrily head on their way which would be fine unless I subsequently tested positive and then you have two schools and a workplace possibly affected.

I think you are supposed to self isolate anyway or am I mistaken? So in that regard it's completely irrelevant if you get phone call on first or tenth day. Contact tracing should be as speedy as possible to prevent further infections but it makes no difference how long you have to stay away from everybody.

meeeeh

meeeeh wrote: »

I think you are supposed to self isolate anyway or am I mistaken?

It’s amazing the number of people who believe, as a close contact, a negative test gives you the all clear to return to normal. On this at least the messaging has been quite clear on the 14 requirement

wirelessdude01

meeeeh wrote: »

I think you are supposed to self isolate anyway or am I mistaken? So in that regard it's completely irrelevant if you get phone call on first or tenth day. Contact tracing should be as speedy as possible to prevent further infections but it makes no difference how long you have to stay away from everybody.

Issue for me is a case where someone doesn't know they are a close contact and haven't been self isolating. It shouldn't take that long for them to be contacted. Failure somewhere in the system.

wirelessdude01

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Issue for me is a case where someone doesn't know they are a close contact and haven't been self isolating. It shouldn't take that long for them to be contacted. Failure somewhere in the system.

Should not be an issue with schools however where everyone in a class/ pod will know. It may be the case the tracing are letting public health handle the in school contacts, while they handle informing any contacts associated with the case outside schools, and then circling back to organise testing

wirelessdude01

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Should not be an issue with schools however where everyone in a class/ pod will know. It may be the case the tracing are letting public health handle the in school contacts, while they handle informing any contacts associated with the case outside schools, and then circling back to organise testing

Hmmmmm. Either way there is a failure somewhere.

The teacher case I referred to, when they got the call and said that they already knew, next question was how did they know!!!! You couldn't make this up.

wirelessdude01

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Hmmmmm. Either way there is a failure somewhere.

The teacher case I referred to, when they got the call and said that they already knew, next question was how did they know!!!! You couldn't make this up.

Whosever is calling to arrange testing is probably just given a list of numbers to ring

wirelessdude01

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Whosever is calling to arrange testing is probably just given a list of numbers to ring

Shouldn't be taking that long. System failure somewhere.

Icyseanfitz

Quite entertaining that nphet/government has now reduced the self isolation period from 14 days to 10 days, have we a different virus in Ireland? I am unaware of any other country that has done this.

Probably just a way to get teachers and students back into the building quicker. I give up at this stage.

wirelessdude01

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Quite entertaining that nephet/government has now reduced the self isolation period from 14 days to 10 days, have we a different virus in Ireland? I am unaware of any other country that has done this.

Probably just a way to get teachers and students back into the building quicker. I give up at this stage.

I do wonder what the thinking and science is behind this?

khalessi

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I do wonder what the thinking and science is behind this?

I heard someone on the tv suggesting it was to get the economy up and running and decrease interruption to staffing issues.