How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

JDD

caveat emptor wrote: »

Face shields don't work. Outbreak in Swiss hotel. All staff who wore masks didn't get it, only those who wore face shields.
Wearing both together is fine but substituting a visor for a mask is not clever.
The virus is spread through the air, visors don't stop the air.

https://www.insider.com/face-shields-did-not-protect-people-from-coronavirus-swiss-outbreak-2020-7

I always thought face visors were nonsense. The only people that I thought it would help was creche workers. Toddlers and babies regularly cough and sneeze into your face. Other than that they are next to useless.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

People live in private homes.

The virus doesn't walk in it itself, it is acquired elsewhere in the "community". Or are you buying into it's all house parties causing the increase and opening all the pubs cure it BS?

As unknown community transmission increases it's pretty hard to rule out the one place where people are allowed congregate indoors mask-less to be a contribute to this spread.

The point is the politicians and public health officials don't talk about it, it's bad for business.

Which is very understandable, but again it goes back to my point about personal responsibility and making informed decisions.

If the reality is one thing and the narrative another, that is impossible.

We pretty much know based on the narrative from NPHET recently, that the increase in gatherings in private homes is responsible for the recent increases, following on from Meat factories and DP centres in August. Maybe in October it will be pubs

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

We pretty much know based on the narrative from NPHET recently, that the increase in gatherings in private homes is responsible for the recent increases, following on from Meat factories and DP centres in August. Maybe in October it will be pubs

Again though, you are comparing "easily" traceable transmission routes with community transmission.

But one tale tail from the Kildare "lockdown" was public houses were shut.

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe in October it will be pubs

It's pubs now, they are simply ignoring that fact because of pressure from lobbyists to get the rest of them open.

Public houses simply are not being contact traced to the degree that would inform us how much of a contributor they are.

I have nothing against public houses, I look forward to having a few in my local when it opens, but I do that in the knowledge that the narrative been peddled about them being "safe places" is complete bollíx.

meeeeh

I don't think anyone seriously claimed tha Corona doesn't transmit in pubs. There is a reason why wet pubs are still closed. However there is only so much you can achieve by keeping pubs closed. It's not like people stopped drinking or socialising and it is easier to supervise socialising in pubs than in private dwellings where Gardai can't enter. We can't keep different parts of economy closed and a lot of wet pubs are now finding way around it selling 9 euro pizzas.

That being said I admire the special ability of people to conclude exactly where community transmissions are happening. It is impressive that every Joe the plumber on boards knows more about the transmissions than those doing contact tracing and tracking the progress of Corona.

Boggles

meeeeh wrote: »

I don't think anyone seriously claimed tha Corona doesn't transmit in pubs

meeeeh wrote: »

That being said I admire the special ability of people to conclude exactly where community transmissions are happening.

Special indeed.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Special indeed.

Eh? Do you need to re-read Meeehs post?

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Eh? Do you need to re-read Meeehs post?

No.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

No.

Nice edit

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Nice edit

I didn't edit anything.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

I didn't edit anything.

Maybe I misread your reply as only having highlighted the Corona doesn't transmit in pubs section of the post. Apologies if it was just my eyesight.
Who as a matter of interest is concluding where community transmission is occurring?

meeeeh

Boggles wrote: »

Special indeed.

To be honest I think your time here is wasted. Your expertise is much more needed on NPHET. You could tell them exactly where the community transmission is happening.

irishblessing

meeeeh wrote: »

To be honest I think your time here is wasted. Your expertise is much more needed on NPHET. You could tell them exactly where the community transmission is happening.

I value Boggle's posts. Not wasted from where I sit.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Who as a matter of interest is concluding where community transmission is occurring?

I can think of at least one off the top of my head.

meeeeh wrote: »

I don't think anyone seriously claimed tha Corona doesn't transmit in pubs.

Anyone else that concludes that though, are uneducated plumbers or something.

Boggles

meeeeh wrote: »

You could tell them exactly where the community transmission is happening.

Why don't you tell them, like you just told me?

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

I can think of at least one off the top of my head.



Anyone else that concludes that though, are uneducated plumbers or something.

You have lost me Boggles. I bow to your towering intellect

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

You have lost me Boggles. I bow to your towering intellect

You shouldn't.

I'm really only using very basic maths and common sense.

jrosen

As soon as society starting going about their business again it was inevitable we were going to see spikes. While some business and people have been fantastic at social distancing etc others are not. I have seen restaurants as busy as ever. Literally filled. The red line Luas is a joke. People getting on with masks but taking them off to talk on their phone. Up untill the last couple of weeks I had really been limiting myself to work and food shopping. I was out last weekend and now im sick as is my son and both due to be tested tomorrow. So Ill be reverting back to my hermit lifestyle for the foreseeable.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

You shouldn't.

I'm really only using very basic maths and common sense.

We can't conclude where community transmission is occurring, we can however postulate as to where it may occur with greater risk. What we can say however, based on the data we see from the public health authorities, and the actions of those authorities, is that they currently judge the highest risk to be associated with people from different households mixing in uncontrolled settings.

wirelessdude01

jrosen wrote: »

As soon as society starting going about their business again it was inevitable we were going to see spikes. While some business and people have been fantastic at social distancing etc others are not. I have seen restaurants as busy as ever. Literally filled. The red line Luas is a joke. People getting on with masks but taking them off to talk on their phone. Up untill the last couple of weeks I had really been limiting myself to work and food shopping. I was out last weekend and now im sick as is my son and both due to be tested tomorrow. So Ill be reverting back to my hermit lifestyle for the foreseeable.

Seeing this a lot. People aren't able to fight off even the most basic of bugs.

caveat emptor

Cluster in Hamburg school growing. Saying kids don't transmit it to each other in school is increasingly untenable.

https://twitter.com/DeeGilhawley/status/1305527836699242496?s=20

meeeeh

Boggles wrote: »

Why don't you tell them, like you just told me?

I didn't. I don't claim I know where individual cases transmit but in general transmissions can happen anywhere, in pubs and everywhere where people meet each other.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

We can't conclude where community transmission is occurring, we can however postulate as to where it may occur with greater risk. What we can say however, based on the data we see from the public health authorities, and the actions of those authorities, is that they currently judge the highest risk to be associated with people from different households mixing in uncontrolled settings.

They closed the public houses and restaurants in Kildare.

If you are basing it on the actions of the authorities I think you can postulate they are of the same mindset as me.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

They closed the public houses and restaurants in Kildare.

If you are basing it on the actions of the authorities I think you can postulate they are of the same mindset as me.

They also learned from the outbreak in Kildare and are proposing to open wet pubs almost nationwide

irishblessing

Deleted User wrote: »

They also learned from the outbreak in Kildare and are proposing to open wet pubs almost nationwide

The reopening of the pubs has nothing to do with best practice in regards to health risk.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

They also learned from the outbreak in Kildare and are proposing to open wet pubs almost nationwide

Indeed. We have all ready covered this topic today.

Boggles wrote: »

Now I don't know if you have been paying attention, but the pendulum has swung from a scientific lead approach to a political one.

irishblessing

irishblessing wrote: »

The reopening of the pubs has nothing to do with best practice in regards to health risk.

The non reopening of drink only pubs has nothing to do with the best practice in terms of health risk as long as premises are observing the same internal practices

Warbeastrior

SNA I know say he's working with a group of 16 year olds in secondary school who are very tough behavioural wise. Class off about 13 and always at least half of them wearing the masks under the nose or mouth, won't stay 1m apart, passing items. He said one actually passed a sweet to another which he put straight in his mouth.
He's blue in the face calling them out but cos he doesn't necessarily discipline them, they don't listen. He says they don't listen to the teachers either. The Covid rep and the class tutor aren't reassuring him much that something will be done.
Its simply unfair on him.

Blondini

Warbeastrior wrote: »

SNA I know say he's working with a group of 16 year olds in secondary school who are very tough behavioural wise. Class off about 13 and always at least half of them wearing the masks under the nose or mouth, won't stay 1m apart, passing items. He said one actually passed a sweet to another which he put straight in his mouth.
He's blue in the face calling them out but cos he doesn't necessarily discipline them, they don't listen. He says they don't listen to the teachers either. The Covid rep and the class tutor aren't reassuring him much that something will be done.
Its simply unfair on him.

This is the real face of schools reopening in a lot of cases.

Pods and bubbles my arsse.

Smacruairi

Again, the whole plan is based around kids acting like kids have never acted in the entirety of human history.

caveat emptor

Denmark school cluster growing. 49 infected. Of course they all probably picked it up at home and brought it into school independently.

https://twitter.com/drzoehyde/status/1305529635447300098?s=21