Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Pitch n Putt

Penfailed wrote: »

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You claim the old answer question with question which is exactly as you did to my initial post.
Hilarious

The plans a shambles. NPHET feeling around in the dark they haven’t a clue what to do

Government absolutely useless beyond belief.

Sleep walking the country to disaster.

_Kaiser_

John O.Groats wrote: »

I have no issues with masks and normally spend several hours each day continually wearing them.

That's fair enough, but I guarantee you that if the threat of fines/jail time was removed in the morning, 90% of masks would be gone with them.

Penfailed

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

You claim the old answer question with question which is exactly as you did to my initial post.
Hilarious

The plans a shambles. NPHET feeling around in the dark they haven’t a clue what to do

Government absolutely useless beyond belief.

Sleep walking the country to disaster.

What are you doing about it? Posting on Boards or lobbying your TD? If you are only doing the former, you're screaming into the void.

gmisk

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It is hilarious that people are still trying to suggest that the country is not locked down!!!

We have 3 counties in lockdown!!!
We still have thousands receiving the Covid payments
Schools have not been open for close to half a year. (Plans could have been made for a summer return)
Wet Pubs and almost the entire entertainment industry are closed
The airport is a ghost town
Footfall in shopping centres is down across the board
Restaurants are nowhere near to capacity and have curfews etc
Don't even ask about Cinema's... Is anyone bothered to go and sit wearing a mask for 2+ hours? Not for me anyways.

Just on the last point in the lighthouse at least you don't have to wear a mask while in screen.
Also any restaurant I have been to has been pretty much rammed.
It will take time for footfall etc to increase

Pitch n Putt

Penfailed wrote: »

What are you doing about it? Posting on Boards or lobbying your TD? If you are only doing the former, you're screaming into the void.

Perhaps you could help?

You seem to have all answers for anyone that questions the current mess

Something needs to change we can’t keep going forward back repeatedly.

dundalkfc10

Penfailed wrote: »

What are you doing about it? Posting on Boards or lobbying your TD? If you are only doing the former, you're screaming into the void.

Best of luck getting hold of your TD. Anyone who has been elected seemingly does not reply to joe public (or the Nursing Homes in Simon Harris case)

FG are waiting in the wings to blame it all on FF when it all goes tits up. I do not believe the people will take that for one minute.

drunkmonkey

Penfailed wrote: »

How do you get the figure of 20%? Seems like a figure plucked from the air to me.

They said Grafton street, it's probably one of the worst examples as it's down so much 20/25% of it's usual turnover, normal shopping areas not as bad but still down 50/70% around the country.
Without government subsidises, the economy would have imploded by now. How long is this sustainable, vaccine is 4/5yrs out I reckon if there is any vaccine as it's now appearing to mutate.
I don't see any option but a NZ approach to save what we can of the domestic economy. Wage subsidy ends and it's curtains for the economy.

Penfailed

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Perhaps you could help?

You seem to have all answers for anyone that questions the current mess

Something needs to change we can’t keep going forward back repeatedly.

I'm happy(ish) enough with the way it's being handled to be honest. I've had quite a few disappointments along the way though, as I'm an avid gig goer and music festival attendee. I also play in a band. We haven't had a gig since January and obviously the pubs that we normally play in are closed. I miss it. I understand the thinking behind it all though so I'm not getting too worked up about it.

almostover

Assetbacked wrote: »

Wanting to follow other EU countries in how they are handling it is what we would like. For example, the illogical approach with the green list, not opening pubs and requiring social distancing on public transport despite masks being mandatory with no plan b for the next 2 weeks when thousands more people return to buses and trains.

EU countries like Spain? They opened up and re-locked down specific regions with outbreaks just like us.

John O.Groats

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

That's fair enough, but I guarantee you that if the threat of fines/jail time was removed in the morning, 90% of masks would be gone with them.

You guarantee that 90% of mask wearing would stop? I don`t agree with your figures at all. I think the amount of people who would choose not to wear masks would be far lower than you believe. Anyway seeing as how mask wearing will be mandatory for a long time to come the guessing game (which is what it is) is pretty much irrelevant. People need to wear masks or else deal with the consequences.

_Kaiser_

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Best of luck getting hold of your TD. Anyone who has been elected seemingly does not reply to joe public (or the Nursing Homes in Simon Harris case)

FG are waiting in the wings to blame it all on FF when it all goes tits up. I do not believe the people will take that for one minute.

Especially because..

- FG are an equal partner in this Government
- FG started us off on the current course in March

The "old reliable" of blame FF won't wash this time, and in fact will do BOTH parties more harm leading to the one thing neither want - SF sweeping the board.

drunkmonkey

John O.Groats wrote: »

You guarantee that 90% of mask wearing would stop? I don`t agree with your figures at all. I think the amount of people who would choose not to wear masks would be far lower than you believe. Anyway seeing as how mask wearing will be mandatory for a long time to come the guessing game (which is what it is) is pretty much irrelevant. People need to wear masks or else deal with the consequences.

What consequences, they'll send a letter to the DPP, you arrive in court with the actual real world science on Masks and you won't be convicted. I'd fight it to the high court, might get a sitting in 10yrs. The vaccine which screwed up a lot of health children here 10ys ago is only being heard in November..
They've the power to do feck all.

gral6

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They said Grafton street, it's probably one of the worst examples as it's down so much 20/25% of it's usual turnover, normal shopping areas not as bad but still down 50/70% around the country.
Without government subsidises, the economy would have imploded by now. How long is this sustainable, vaccine is 4/5yrs out I reckon if there is any vaccine as it's now appearing to mutate.
I don't see any option but a NZ approach to save what we can of the domestic economy. Wage subsidy ends and it's curtains for the economy.

NZ approach did not work and it will not work.Just try to get used to the idea that this virus is gonna be with us forever.

Thierry12

gral6 wrote: »

NZ approach did not work and it will not work.Just try to get used to the idea that this virus is gonna be with us forever.

Wuhan approach worked

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-53816511

drunkmonkey

gral6 wrote: »

NZ approach did not work and it will not work.Just try to get used to the idea that this virus is gonna be with us forever.

We can't function as a society was my point with the current whack a mole strategy. Domestic economy has to start operating. Can't happen as things stand.
Schools will probably be the turning point, there is no plan B for them.

Penfailed

Penfailed wrote: »

I'm happy(ish) enough with the way it's being handled to be honest. I've had quite a few disappointments along the way though, as I'm an avid gig goer and music festival attendee. I also play in a band. We haven't had a gig since January and obviously the pubs that we normally play in are closed. I miss it. I understand the thinking behind it all though so I'm not getting too worked up about it.

Will that remain the case if this lasts another 6 months, 12 months?
Or if taxes have to increase by a lot to keep the country going?

is there anything that could make you lose support?

Amirani

Charles Babbage wrote: »

They don't need the school and working population to shut down, they need them to behave responsibly.

You seem to be forgetting/overlooking the fact that the vast majority of infections in young people are in healthcare workers and in factory workers. Neither group having a great time of it.

Gael23

gral6 wrote: »

NZ approach did not work and it will not work.Just try to get used to the idea that this virus is gonna be with us forever.

It wont work because 14days isnt long enough.

gral6

Thierry12 wrote: »

Wuhan approach worked

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-53816511

They tested 11 million people in the city. The average turn around here is 3.7 days for the test results. Total shambles with green list countries. Total shambles of rational approach in Gov. Total shambles with useless idiots from NPHET.

shipposter

It's a sad day when older people will be required to regress into another lockdown just because the younger generations don't have any resilience, or self control to not have drinks poured into their mouths by some fella gyrating on a bar.

gral6

Gael23 wrote: »

It wont work because 14days isnt long enough.

How long is enough? 6 months? 1 year? Who is paying for that feast? EU again?

stephenjmcd

shipposter wrote: »

It's a sad day when older people will be required to regress into another lockdown just because the younger generations don't have any resilience, or self control to not have drinks poured into their mouths by some fella gyrating on a bar.

To be fair now, over 70s were despite restrictions being eased advised to continue to reduce social contacts, don’t go into crowded environments and wear masks.

Nothing new is being asked here realistically.

There are very few changes actually being suggested in both the Irish times and the Independent.

The only change is reduced numbers at house gatherings.

niallo27

shipposter wrote: »

It's a sad day when older people will be required to regress into another lockdown just because the younger generations don't have any resilience, or self control to not have drinks poured into their mouths by some fella gyrating on a bar.

All they have to do is stay at home and watch netflix for the day, whats the problem.

shipposter

shipposter wrote: »

It's a sad day when older people will be required to regress into another lockdown just because the younger generations don't have any resilience, or self control to not have drinks poured into their mouths by some fella gyrating on a bar.

lol! Not sure were to start with that one...

It is up to each individual to LIVE their life.
When you are on your deathbed, you want remember all those days hiding under the bed afraid of getting sick.

Penfailed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Will that remain the case if this lasts another 6 months, 12 months? I can't honestly say how I'll feel that far down the line.

Or if taxes have to increase by a lot to keep the country going?

Which taxes? For example, I work in the north, therefore I don't pay income tax in the south.

is there anything that could make you lose support? That would obviously depend on what, if anything, changes with the current approach

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Elmer Blooker

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They said Grafton street, it's probably one of the worst examples as it's down so much 20/25% of it's usual turnover, normal shopping areas not as bad but still down 50/70% around the country.
Without government subsidises, the economy would have imploded by now. How long is this sustainable, vaccine is 4/5yrs out I reckon if there is any vaccine as it's now appearing to mutate.
I don't see any option but a NZ approach to save what we can of the domestic economy. Wage subsidy ends and it's curtains for the economy.

Who cares if theres tumble weed blowing down the shopping streets all over country, there are more important issues such as the crime of young people wanting to meet their friends!
RTE really are disgusting the way they are smearing all young people as drunks and wasters.

drunkmonkey

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Who cares if theres tumble weed blowing down the shopping streets all over country, there are more important issues such as the crime of young people wanting to meet their friends!
RTE really are disgusting the way they are smearing all young people as drunks and wasters.

Who's stopping young people from meeting their friends? There is no law to say you can't.

Thierry12

Deleted User wrote: »

lol! Not sure were to start with that one...

It is up to each individual to LIVE their life.
When you are on your deathbed, you want remember all those days hiding under the bed afraid of getting sick.

Not when they can overwhelm the health service

Old people need to cop the **** on and stay away from people for a while, until vaccine's are out

Saw a group of 70 years+ in my local gym yesterday having a great chat with no social distancing, stupid behaviour with a dangerous virus out there that can kill them

We need to stop pussy footing around the issue and make it clear the country is in lockdown for them

Saw a report today that under 34 year olds have a 0.01% of dieing of Covid, over 70s, 11.10% in that report

We have given up so much all year and they need to stay inside till vaccine's are ready

road_high

shipposter wrote: »

It's a sad day when older people will be required to regress into another lockdown just because the younger generations don't have any resilience, or self control to not have drinks poured into their mouths by some fella gyrating on a bar.

Sorry but you can’t change the nature of the virus- impossible. It effects older people far worse. Therefore it’s simply prudent advice. If they chose to ignore it then so be it

HeidiHeidi

Thierry12 wrote: »

Not when they can overwhelm the health service

Old people need to cop the **** on and stay away from people for a while, until vaccine's are out

Saw a group of 70 years+ in my local gym yesterday having a great chat with no social distancing, stupid behaviour with a dangerous virus out there that can kill them

We need to stop pussy footing around the issue and make it clear the country is in lockdown for them

Saw a report today that under 34 year olds have a 0.01% of dieing of Covid, over 70s, 11.10% in that report

We have given up so much all year and they need to stay inside till vaccine's are ready

Did you see any report giving the percentage chances of the young people infecting the older vulnerable ones, once it's running rampant among them? I'd say it's a big number.


Horrible attitude.