Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Ginger n Lemon

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

There were 13 people on ICU beds with positive covid PCR test on 15 September.
Today there are 23 people on ICU beds with positive PCR test.

in 20 days, we've had 10 extra people go on ICU beds with covid.

Now, for each one of those individuals, 18,000 will go on PUP tomorrow onward for a minimum of 3 weeks.

I am absolutely fuming. This is beyond madness. How can the "cabinet" vote for this nonsense??

People arent even bloody dying thats the most astonishing thing. Now we base our decisions on models (how did that go last time around) and pure fear of "ohh our health service is poor every year, lets be extra careful this year, put hundreds of thousands out of work and then look for IMF funding for our healthcare next year"

Christ

100% , also I'll bet the people in hospital or even ICU were not admitted because of covid, ,many are sick and the levels of covid are such that an ambulance man could have given it to them unwittingly on the way to hospital. if the levels of people on the trollies are anything like last Flu season and the community levels of covid are rising, then of course people in hospital will register for covid insofar as many people who go for an STI test will register positive for Chlamydia as it's rife in the population and is being tested for at that moment in time. in the 80's if you were high risk you wore a condom and cut down your sexual partners etc, you realized you were high risk or in a high risk group for HIV. I dint see a blanket ban on everytone having unprtected sex

Rrrrrr2

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Watching Leo on Claire Byrne now (god she's awful as an interviewer - I'm no fan of Leo but STFU and let him answer your question)

He just threw Tony and NPHET under the bus in the first 2 minutes.

Leo going off-script again?

That arsehole should have been sacked long ago- he belongs under the bus. Along with the rest of Nphet. Varadkar is spot on here, Sunday night was a national disgrace.

Rrrrrr2

Do you have confidence in Nphet- "only to dispense medical advice..." Good man Varadkar

Rrrrrr2

Sounds like a long overdue re-jig of Nphet is on the cards. Time to end the farce ASAP

CruelSummer

Leo Varadkar gave a great interview, Claire Byrne was disappointing, interrupting and not letting him just say his piece. He stated very clearly that Paul Reid had not been consulted re HSE capacity. This is shocking. I hope this whole episode has finally woken the Government up and into action. We would not have money to pay the bills should we just have done the outlandish, hard lockdown, with no guarantee of an end in sight. Not to mention being completely out of step with our EU neighbours.

Rrrrrr2

CruelSummer wrote: »

Leo Varadkar gave a great interview, Claire Byrne was disappointing, interrupting and not letting him just say his piece. He stated very clearly that Paul Reid had not been consulted re HSE capacity. This is shocking. I hope this whole episode has finally woken the Government up and into action. We would not have money to pay the bills should we just have done the outlandish, hard lockdown, with no guarantee of an end in sight. Not to mention being completely out of step with our EU neighbours.

Byrne is as thick as two short planks. So no surprises there

Rrrrrr2

Alison O'Connor - we feel like we've moved on from all in it together- no **** sherlock. These idiots are in an echo chamber, the people are not

_Kaiser_

Leo is a lot more polished and better at the media stuff, but he's still coming across a lot more competently and assured than Micheal only half an hour before.

I still don't rate the guy personally but he's better at the clear messaging which is essential in this case

Rrrrrr2

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Leo is a lot more polished and better at the media stuff, but he's still coming across a lot more competently and assured than Micheal only half an hour before.

I still don't rate the guy personally but he's better at the clear messaging which is essential in this case

He balanced the message tonight with all what we've been saying here- none of these clowns will ever be on the PUP etc.

Rrrrrr2

We are all sick and tired of lectures from the medical profession (all on full pay and extra opportunity to earn more money).

_Kaiser_

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

He balanced the message tonight with all what we've been saying here- none of these clowns will ever be on the PUP etc.

He dodged the Garda enforcement question though. Looks like just increased visibility but not necessarily more powers although there was a vague reference to a new fines structure?

Rrrrrr2

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

He dodged the Garda enforcement question though. Looks like just increased visibility but not necessarily more powers although there was a vague reference to a new fines structure?

We'll cross that bridge. On the side of unenforceable at this stage, buy in is gone

eleventh

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Do you have confidence in Nphet- "only to dispense medical advice..." Good man Varadkar

What else was he going to say? That is what they're there for.

Rrrrrr2

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Byrne is as thick as two short planks. So no surprises there

Easy on the eye though

Rrrrrr2

eleventh wrote: »

What else was he going to say? That is what they're there for.

Well tell Nphet that- their stunt Sunday was well beyond the realms of mere medical advice.

CruelSummer

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Byrne is as thick as two short planks. So no surprises there

I thought Claire Byrne was great during the Feb election moderating the debates between the political leaders, but I find with emotive issues like this - she struggles to stay unbiased when asking questions in the interview.

Rrrrrr2

CruelSummer wrote: »

I thought Claire Byrne was great during the Feb election moderating the debates between the political leaders, but I find with emotive issues like this - she struggles to stay unbiased when asking questions in the interview.

Yes she's overly emotional, takes emotionally led positions and is blinkered by them. Woeful journalism but standard RTE fare these days

topper75

Didn't see the show but that twitter clip of Varadkar is impressive.

He didn't buckle. Back bone solid. I've also been impressed with Michael McNamara of late.

MadYaker

Anyone else read Tony Holohans letter to gov justifying the move to level 5? It will be interesting to see if these predictions turn out be accurate.

https://twitter.com/laurahogantv/status/1313215931649265664?s=21

average_runner

MadYaker wrote: »

Anyone else read Tony Holohans letter to gov justifying the move to level 5? It will be interesting to see if these predictions turn out be accurate.

https://twitter.com/laurahogantv/status/1313215931649265664?s=21

Yep. Someone is going to be wrong. Not sure who though. If it's the government they will will fall and we be in a massive lockdown for about 8 weeks.

Hopefully its NPHET that's wring

Wanderer78

average_runner wrote: »

Yep. Someone is going to be wrong. Not sure who though. If it's the government they will will fall and we be in a massive lockdown for about 8 weeks.

Hopefully its NPHET that's wring

The well being of the economy is far more important

average_runner

Wanderer78 wrote: »

The well being of the economy is far more important

Not at all costs and remember after the last pandemic we had a boom

Wanderer78

average_runner wrote: »

Not at all costs and remember after the last pandemic we had a boom

Did we? What year was that?

average_runner

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Did we? What year was that?

The Roaring Twenties (sometimes stylized as the Roarin' 20s) refers to the decade of the 1920s in Western society and Western culture. It was a period of economic prosperity with a distinctive cultural edge in the United and Europe

Wanderer78

average_runner wrote: »

The Roaring Twenties (sometimes stylized as the Roarin' 20s) refers to the decade of the 1920s in Western society and Western culture. It was a period of economic prosperity with a distinctive cultural edge in the United and Europe

That's interesting, thought it was largely due to a deregulation of the financial sector, which lead to 29, that's interesting though

zerosugarbuzz

average_runner wrote: »

Yep. Someone is going to be wrong. Not sure who though. If it's the government they will will fall and we be in a massive lockdown for about 8 weeks.

Hopefully its NPHET that's wring

What they need is a lot more ICU beds in Case there is a surge. If they sort that out they should be in a better position. As will those needing the beds needless to say.

Wanderer78

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

What they need is a lot more ICU beds in Case there is a surge. If they sort that out they should be in a better position. As will those needing the beds needless to say.

Probably more than just basic beds, they probably need more equipment and trained staff to deal with it all, I'd imagine it's a lot more complicated than the simple bed

average_runner

Wanderer78 wrote: »

That's interesting, thought it was largely due to a deregulation of the financial sector, which lead to 29, that's interesting though

Every boom has a crash. That's the cycle

Wanderer78

average_runner wrote: »

Every boom has a crash. That's the cycle

Tis true unfortunately, but they happen for a reason, and generally, it's human created, and sometimes it's intentional

average_runner

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Tis true unfortunately, but they happen for a reason, and generally, it's human created, and sometimes it's intentional

Always, we get over confident and never learn from our mistakes. History repeats itself.