Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

bucketybuck

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I feel sorry for you they you can’t avail of the massive advantages of WFH. It has been a major positive for a large proportion of the population accelerating the move to WFH.

On the other hand, at least they don't have a massive oedipus complex.

Thousands will be put out of work with this move to level 3. It’s beyond a joke now.

I imagine this whole level 5 fiasco was all so they could move to 3 and it doesn’t feel so much like a negative.

If pubs and dining can only do outdoor service, lots may as well stay closed. Not worth the overheads I’d imagine.

Did I hear median age of deaths is now 88?

Tenzor07

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Drinks Guinness like a demon :D

Too cheap to buy it, probably makes Connemara Moonshine!

hatrickpatrick

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

How about just stay at home? Eat and home and drink at home! No one should be gong to pubs or restaurants at the moment anyway it’s a highly risky thing to do and I cannot understand why people are going it. I haven’t eaten in a restaurant or drank in a pub since march and I’m doing just fine - plenty of food in the shop or takeaway and plenty of drink in the off-licence.

The fact is if the government had balls they would have gone to level 5 and forced the hand of people who just can’t stay away from pubs or restaurants. Let them sit outside and get sick, might teach them a lesson to stay at home.

You're clearly an introvert or somewhere in the middle of the range. The kind of social isolation you're describing is the kind of social isolation which legitimately leads to extremely serious mental health crises and self harm among extroverts, particularly when there's no end in sight to it. I know, because I am one of those extrovert. The lack of being able to get together in a group is utterly soul crushing for many, many people. Not just soul crushing in the mild annoyance sense, soul crushing in the "life like this isn't worth living, oh sh!t I'm finding myself thinking that thought more and more lately" sense.

To deny that social isolation takes a toll on physical and mental health is moronic. Study after study has confirmed that loneliness is a killer.

Lundstram

Since as long as I can remember, our health service has been a laughing stock. Brendan Gleeson went on the Late Late Show one night and sat there crying at the treatment of his dying mother. No bed for her. She died on a trolley. No dignity. Government after government promised to tackle this but their solution was to pump billions upon billions without improvement.

€21bn was sunk into the HSE in 2019, we currently have one of the lowest rates of ICU beds in Europe. Ireland, the richest country in Europe per capita. Highest number of college graduates in Europe per capita. Voted as 4th best country in Europe to live, extremely high standard of living.

Here we are now, 7 months into a global pandemic and our government have done little to improve our ICU shortfall, they've done nothing really.

Governments kicked the HSE can down the road year after year, election after election and now it laid bare for all to see. It's caught up with us.

We will now pay for this in the worst way possible, our livelihoods and our freedom.

Whats scares me most is not Covid19, not money but how easily the vast majority of Irish people give up their freedom.

No questions.

walus

Deleted User wrote: »

Thousands will be put out of work with this move to level 3. It’s beyond a joke now.

I imagine this whole level 5 fiasco was all so they could move to 3 and it doesn’t feel so much like a negative.

If pubs and dining can only do outdoor service, lots may as well stay closed. Not worth the overheads I’d imagine.

Did I hear median age of deaths is now 88?

Quite possible that level 3 is all what they wanted. They put a fake anchor at level 5, so that everyone now thinks we got a great deal. The government came out triumphant from this one as they played a nice PR game. Once again, PR people know a thing or two on psychology. Nicely done.

sligeach

Absolute nonsense speculation above. NPHET care about the health of the general population, that’s it. The government have to worry about finances, we're already in a hole, another lock-down would probably cripple some parts of the economy, beyond recovery. The government have gambled, are they right, well that is the question?

Gael23

Do hospitals allow patients who are dying have visitors?

FintanMcluskey

It could be slightly worse, New Zealand is utterly destroyed.

Jacinda will hopefully accountable for what she has overseen.

A depression never before seen, the country is in utter ruins

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It could be slightly worse, New Zealand is utterly destroyed.

Jacinda will hopefully accountable for what she has overseen.

A depression never before seen, the country is in utter ruins

Quite the opposite they have shown how to manage the virus, they are the poster boys on how to deal with covid. If we only had someone in charge with the balls to do similar.

walus

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It could be slightly worse, New Zealand is utterly destroyed.

Jacinda will hopefully accountable for what she has overseen.

A depression never before seen, the country is in utter ruins

That is interesting Fintan. Can you give links to the sources of this info? Thanks.

hynesie08

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Quite the opposite they have shown how to manage the virus, they are the poster boys on how to deal with covid. If we only had someone in charge with the balls to do similar.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-54186359

Worst recession in years, 12% drop in the GDP......... Yeah, they're flying.

Open the Pubs

What's happening with the pubs anyone?

sligeach

"It's the economy, stupid!"

That's the reason why they're ignoring NPHET.

agoodpunt

Nphet should stand down country need to test at its border and ports enforced quarantine to those who are positive or have symptoms
track and trace targeted testing open local economy protect jobs and businesses allow social activities do an info blitz
Danm left wants lockdowns and economic depression FO

PTH2009

And

sligeach

There are sections on this island that are complete ¥0$$€r$, don't care, have never cared, no doubt didn’t watch the Taoiseach's speech just now. It won't change their attitude. I could say cop on here, but, they won't be frequenting sites like this.

hynesie08

hynesie08 wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-54186359

Worst recession in years, 12% drop in the GDP......... Yeah, they're flying.

They have tiny numbers of cases and deaths though and that’s their priority and should be our priority also.

kippy

BoatMad wrote: »

No evidence air travel is a significant factor in the spread stays suggests 2-3 % of total cases resulting

NPHET have no idea what they are doing , they are just “ reacting “ throwing useless “ solutions “ that have already failed at the problem while all the time creating fear , doom and creating a nice dictatorial empire for themselves

Stand for election hoolahoops and let’s see how u get on

Yawn. That wasn't the point I was making but since you made the point. Over 99 percent of cases if not more are as a direct result of air travel. If air travel were blocked in and out of China we wouldn't be where we are and so on and so forth.
But that's again not the point I was making. I was stating that NPHET aren't going down the route of a zero covid strategy else we would have been serious about air travel.
Obviously lost on some posters.

kippy

Jizique wrote: »

Do you know how many flights are hitting Dublin daily compared to last year?

I do. The information is freely available as are passenger numbers.
If you haven't gotten my point at this stage nothing I say will help you get it unfortunately.

hynesie08

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

They have tiny numbers of cases and deaths though and that’s their priority and should be our priority also.

They tanked their economy for zero covid and couldn't manage it, not a situation we should be replicating......

murpho999

greengrass88 wrote: »

So restaurants and pubs are allowed to open under level 3? But just not in dublin/donegal level 3?

Where does this come from?

Won't they all be closed all over the country except for outdoor or takeaway service?

Rubberchikken

Never bother with pubs but I haven't been in a restaurant or cafe or even bothered with takeout since last Christmas and I'm surviving.

What the hell is it with people and their insurance on going to pubs, or travelling unnecessarily during this pandemic?

The way some went on until pubs reopened you'd think their lives depended on it.

We so have off licences. Even supermarkets that sell alcohol.

If your mental health is dependent on going to/meeting others in a pub then you're in a sorry state.

Rrrrrr2

sligeach wrote: »

There are sections on this island that are complete ¥0$$€r$, don't care, have never cared, no doubt didn’t watch the Taoiseach's speech just now. It won't change their attitude. I could say cop on here, but, they won't be frequenting sites like this.

I didn’t watch the Taoiseach either- I’ve heard it all before, it’s all been tried before, none of it works. An utter waste of time and money we now don’t have.
Feel free to disagree with any of that but it’s the cold hard reality. If lockdowns worked we wouldn’t be repeating them, over and over. Nothing Martin has to say will change that.
This is an endemic respiratory virus that can’t be controlled by endless daily press conferences and every other futile measures they politically try to foist upon us.

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Donald Trump feels like he's in his 50s.

Never felt better

Hahaha! He also said, back when he had his medical before the presidency, that the doctor told him that he couldn't believe how fit he was. Fittest president ever. Believe me.

Rrrrrr2

Rubberchikken wrote: »

Never bother with pubs but I haven't been in a restaurant or cafe or even bothered with takeout since last Christmas and I'm surviving.

What the hell is it with people and their insurance on going to pubs, or travelling unnecessarily during this pandemic?

The way some went on until pubs reopened you'd think their lives depended on it.

We so have off licences. Even supermarkets that sell alcohol.

If your mental health is dependent on going to/meeting others in a pub then you're in a sorry state.

Some people enjoy the food, drink and socialising. These are things that keep people going. Just because you do none of these doesn’t give you the right to take them away or ridicule their importance for others.
I find your kind of dismissive attitude a hell of a lot more distasteful tbh

Ginger n Lemon

Rubberchikken wrote: »

Never bother with pubs but I haven't been in a restaurant or cafe or even bothered with takeout since last Christmas and I'm surviving.

What the hell is it with people and their insurance on going to pubs, or travelling unnecessarily during this pandemic?

The way some went on until pubs reopened you'd think their lives depended on it.

We so have off licences. Even supermarkets that sell alcohol.

If your mental health is dependent on going to/meeting others in a pub then you're in a sorry state.

Actually, its more of an epidemic in Ireland, not a pandemic.



(Penfailed style post)

Lundstram

Rubberchikken wrote: »

Never bother with pubs but I haven't been in a restaurant or cafe or even bothered with takeout since last Christmas and I'm surviving.

What the hell is it with people and their insurance on going to pubs, or travelling unnecessarily during this pandemic?

The way some went on until pubs reopened you'd think their lives depended on it.

We so have off licences. Even supermarkets that sell alcohol.

If your mental health is dependent on going to/meeting others in a pub then you're in a sorry state.

"look at me I hate the pub and I'm tight as a ducks arse so eat and drink at home, why is everyone else not like me?"

greengrass88

murpho999 wrote: »

Where does this come from?

Won't they all be closed all over the country except for outdoor or takeaway service?

See this https://www.athboyfamilypractice.com/2020/09/novel-coronavirus/

Says in level 3 that pubs cafes and restaurants are open with additional restrictions for indoor dining. When you look at level 4 it says 15 people for outdoor only - based on this dublin would be on level 4 in terms of bars/cafes/restaurants

daheff

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

You're clearly an introvert or somewhere in the middle of the range. The kind of social isolation you're describing is the kind of social isolation which legitimately leads to extremely serious mental health crises and self harm among extroverts

Plenty of ways for people to talk with others so they are not isolated. Ever heard of the telephone, email, zoom,FaceTime, WhatsApp,Skype etc???

While it's not the same as in person, it's not isolation.