Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Tenzor07

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Noxxy knows none of this is realistic or will work so no point debating them with rational realistic points, waste of time.
What it's really about for those like him is keeping Irish borders closed to foreigners, non-Irish out and a halt to all legal immigration currently in progress leaving thousands in limbo like in the DP centres..

Well that’s a bizarre conclusion to arrive at.

Stormyteacup

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Or 1/3 of those polled are anti-vax scum.

Be surprised if it was as low as 1/3. Would imagine is closer to 50%, more possibly when it comes to the crunch of actually being vaccinated. Depends on who is conducting the poll of course.

Stormyteacup

Charles Babbage wrote: »

They have feck all Covid in China, your arguments that zero Covid is impossible must not have been translated into Chinese.

Here’s an idea for ‘feck-all Covid’ - stop testing people with no symptoms.

Testing and tracing are useless without isolation measures, and numbers are too high for any accuracy. Tracing is guesswork - like children connecting dots on a sheet of polka-dot paper to make a pattern.

Waste of time and money. Risk mitigation and a functioning healthcare system would achieve ‘feck-all Covid‘ in time, in tandem with functioning economy.

Penfailed

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Or 1/3 of those polled are anti-vax scum.

Nice. I'm not anti-vax. I'll not be a lab rat for an untested/unproven vaccine for a virus that probably won't cause me any problems if I get it.

hynesie08

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Noxxy knows none of this is realistic or will work so no point debating them with rational realistic points, waste of time.
What it's really about for those like him is keeping Irish borders closed to foreigners, non-Irish out and a halt to all legal immigration currently in progress leaving thousands in limbo like in the DP centres..

I think shernox Holmes hates our ethnic cousins, but I don't think he hates de fordiners.

This is more to do with a complete lack of knowledge of the secondary and gig economy that makes this country great, and a ridiculous disregard and disrespect of the GFA.

I'd bet nox doesn't see retail and hospitality as real jobs. Bartending is just something that you do during college.......

Tenzor07

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Well that’s a bizarre conclusion to arrive at.

You'll never admit it of course, but this Covid crisis has brought out the xenophobic feelings many people have had for years but never had the reasons to bring these thoughts out into the public without appearing too extreme, but here they are now..

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

Nice. I'm not anti-vax. I'll not be a lab rat for an untested/unproven vaccine for a virus that probably won't cause me any problems if I get it.

What your endgame penfailed?

You want restrictions but not a vaccine?

Where does it stop so?

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What your endgame penfailed?

You want restrictions but not a vaccine?

Where does it stop so?

I've said this before but it looks like I'll have to repeat myself again - I don't want restrictions.
A vaccine is a pipe dream though. Until relatively recently, I was supportive of the government's approach to this. I understand the need for the restrictions but would prefer that they weren't necessary. Simply opening everything up isn't going to work so we are where we are.

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

I've said this before but it looks like I'll have to repeat myself again - I don't want restrictions.
A vaccine is a pipe dream though. Until relatively recently, I was supportive of the government's approach to this. I understand the need for the restrictions but would prefer that they weren't necessary. Simply opening everything up isn't going to work so we are where we are.

Your saying your not in favour of them while saying opening up wont work so its hard to follow tbh.

You wont take the vaccine but at the same time we cant open up.

So spectator sports, concerts etc are not something we will witness again in our lives???

Stormyteacup

Penfailed wrote: »

I've said this before but it looks like I'll have to repeat myself again - I don't want restrictions.
A vaccine is a pipe dream though. Until relatively recently, I was supportive of the government's approach to this. I understand the need for the restrictions but would prefer that they weren't necessary. Simply opening everything up isn't going to work so we are where we are.

Yes put it would be a quick end to most of the loonier conspiracy nonsense if the government would fess us that the only reason for restrictions is to safeguard our pathetic healthcare system.

And they’re not there because this is a deadly virus that could strike you dead, at any time, young or old, and even if it doesn’t kill you, you’re likely to have life-lasting seriously debilitating after effects.

Which is what many people in this country seem to believe.

Zebra3

Penfailed wrote: »

Nice. I'm not anti-vax. I'll not be a lab rat for an untested/unproven vaccine for a virus that probably won't cause me any problems if I get it.

This is really serious stuff that hasn't really been spoken about in the media.

There is real pressure in political and corporate circles to be first to come up with a vaccine.

It's one thing not wanting to give your kid a vaccine that's been proven down the years to be good for their well being, but we live in a corrupt world, and if a vaccine became available tomorrow passed by both the EMA and FDA, there will be a lot of people very sceptic about it and they won't be the so-called "tin foil hat" brigade.

We've all seen then President Obama "drinking" "tap water" in Flint.....

Personally I'd be happy enough to hold off and see how things are six months after it (if) becomes available.

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Your saying your not in favour of them while saying opening up wont work so its hard to follow tbh.

You wont take the vaccine but at the same time we cant open up.

So spectator sports, concerts etc are not something we will witness again in our lives???

Not being in favour of restrictions but saying opening up won't work aren't mutually exclusive. I don't like the restrictions but recognise that they are a necessary evil.
I don't know how you've come to your last point/question though. It's quite the leap to take from what I've posted. I'm scheduled to play at a festival at the start of July next year so I hope you're wrong.

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

Not being in favour of restrictions but saying opening up won't work aren't mutually exclusive. I don't like the restrictions but recognise that they are a necessary evil.
I don't know how you've come to your last point/question though. It's quite the leap to take from what I've posted.I'm scheduled to play at a festival at the start of July next year so I hope you're wrong.

What will have changed by July?

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What will have changed by July?

I don't know. It's in the north so perhaps it'll be different there...?

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

I don't know. It's in the north so perhaps it'll be different there...?

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest anything will be any different regarding restriction's next July.

Why would it be?

Its been restricted all Summer when cases and deaths were none existent.

Why will next Summer be different??

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest anything will be any different regarding restriction's next July.

Why would it be?

Its been restricted all Summer when cases and deaths were none existent.

Why will next Summer be different??

You keep asking questions that I don't have an answer to. I don't have a crystal ball unfortunately.

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

You keep asking questions that I don't have an answer to. I don't have a crystal ball unfortunately.

Im just trying to understand why you think you will be at a concert in July without a vaccine.

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Im just trying to understand why you think you will be at a concert in July without a vaccine.

I didn't say that I think I'll be there. I hope that I will though.

CruelSummer

On the issue of spectators at sports, concerts and other occasions...I've just come back from the location of a GAA match today. There were a group of people standing on recycling glass bottle banks to watch the match...in the wind and rain. At least half of this group are over 65, and there was zero social distancing or mask wearing, one wrong step and you've a serious injury. I think the risk of Covid to these people was far less than the risk of falling and obtaining a serious injury. Covid certainly wasn't at the forefront of their minds while standing in that precarious position...The fact people can't sit socially distanced at stadiums, with staggered entry and exit times for each zone baffles me...

Lundstram

CruelSummer wrote: »

On the issue of spectators at sports, concerts and other occasions...I've just come back from the location of a GAA match today. There were a group of people standing on recycling glass bottle banks to watch the match...in the wind and rain. At least half of this group are over 65, and there was zero social distancing or mask wearing, one wrong step and you've a serious injury. I think the risk of Covid to these people was far less than the risk of falling and obtaining a serious injury. Covid certainly wasn't at the forefront of their minds while standing in that precarious position...The fact people can't sit socially distanced at stadiums, with staggered entry and exit times for each zone baffles me...

I find it absolutely disgraceful GAA players up and dwon the country cannot use dressing rooms and showers. So many games across the country today, imagine getting changed out in that weather and then driving home having not showered. Be fcuking dead of pneumonia never mind the harmless Covid19.

Tenzor07

Tenzor07 wrote: »

You'll never admit it of course, but this Covid crisis has brought out the xenophobic feelings many people have had for years but never had the reasons to bring these thoughts out into the public without appearing too extreme, but here they are now..

You are talking absolute sh*t, even more than your usual guff. I have absolutely no “xenophobic feelings” you are just making up rubbish. I haven’t posted a single thing even remotely supporting your nonsense “theory” so it’s total fiction made up in your head.

CruelSummer

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1004/1169272-coronarvirus-ireland/

When will they realise closing everything down isn't going to work? The Government are conspicuously absent as a voice out front and centre. Where is their hospital plan for the Winter and targeted approaches. This is completely unsustainable. Yesterday there was one person in hospital with Covid in the whole county I'm in out of a population of 250000, and this justifies more economic and social carnage??

CruelSummer

CruelSummer wrote: »

On the issue of spectators at sports, concerts and other occasions...I've just come back from the location of a GAA match today. There were a group of people standing on recycling glass bottle banks to watch the match...in the wind and rain. At least half of this group are over 65, and there was zero social distancing or mask wearing, one wrong step and you've a serious injury. I think the risk of Covid to these people was far less than the risk of falling and obtaining a serious injury. Covid certainly wasn't at the forefront of their minds while standing in that precarious position...The fact people can't sit socially distanced at stadiums, with staggered entry and exit times for each zone baffles me...

Stay home and watch on a stream problem solved. No ones fault but their own if they fall.

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1004/1169272-coronarvirus-ireland/

When will they realise closing everything down isn't going to work? The Government are conspicuously absent as a voice out front and centre. Where is their hospital plan for the Winter and targeted approaches. This is completely unsustainable. Yesterday there was one person in hospital with Covid in the whole county I'm in out of a population of 250000, and this justifies more economic and social carnage??

Closing everything does work, it’s been demonstrated here with our own lockdown which reduced cases to single digits for a time and all over Europe and the world.

normanoffside

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1004/1169272-coronarvirus-ireland/

When will they realise closing everything down isn't going to work? The Government are conspicuously absent as a voice out front and centre. Where is their hospital plan for the Winter and targeted approaches. This is completely unsustainable. Yesterday there was one person in hospital with Covid in the whole county I'm in out of a population of 250000, and this justifies more economic and social carnage??

That's why they announced the 10 old deaths yesterday

hynesie08

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Stay home and watch on a stream problem solved. No ones fault but their own if they fall.



Closing everything does work, it’s been demonstrated here with our own lockdown which reduced cases to single digits for a time and all over Europe and the world.

Then what happened? It's almost like zero covid is a fantasy for morons......

Gael23

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest anything will be any different regarding restriction's next July.

Why would it be?

Its been restricted all Summer when cases and deaths were none existent.

Why will next Summer be different??

Because all going well we’ll be in the process of rolling out a vaccine by then

road_high

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest anything will be any different regarding restriction's next July.

Why would it be?

Its been restricted all Summer when cases and deaths were none existent.

Why will next Summer be different??

I agree, thing is hardly anything has really changed in the 7 months since March. There’s absolutely nothing to suggest next year will be any different. With the insane approach we are being subjected to, why would it?
Only difference is the mood of the people is changing rapidly and is nothing like back in March.

road_high

Gael23 wrote: »

Because all going well we’ll be in the process of rolling out a vaccine by then

And what if we dont? Which is a massive possibility

hynesie08

road_high wrote: »

And what if we dont? Which is a massive possibility

Then the people in power are going to have to get off their holes and come up with a realistic plan...... A purge like scenario will probably be the reality.

Gael23

road_high wrote: »

And what if we dont? Which is a massive possibility

Of course it’s a possibility but the signs are looking positive that we will