Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

facehugger99

Deleted User wrote: »

Same argument, different day. None those are highly infectious virus'.

So what?

The argument is based on the risk not the infectiousness.

MrMusician18

Deleted User wrote: »

You realize some people were predicting a civilization ending disease? Go back and read the early threads.

Even some slightly less hysterical people were saying 20 - 30M deaths.

Still less than 1M.

Certainly nowhere near the deadly disease it was built up to be.

There is simply no talking to some people. Opposing restrictions by pointing to the death figure saying they are not that high yet failing to acknowledge that the reason they are not high is because of those same restrictions.

One thing I don't understand is the almost celebration of being able to go to the pub since yesterday. Pints have been available for months now.

Similarly for older people - it's not as if they'd been locked up until yesterday.

I think the main point is that Sweden are evidence that lockdown didn't prevent 200000 deaths.

At most, it MAY have prevented 1000 deaths at an astronomical cost economically, socially and mentally that will last for many years.

And the deaths we did "prevent" are likely to die fairly soon anyways of the primary illnesses they are currently suffering from.

Strange response when you think about it.

MrMusician18

MrMusician18 wrote: »

There is simply no talking to some people. Opposing restrictions by pointing to the death figure saying they are not that high yet failing to acknowledge that the reason they are not high is because of those same restrictions.

One thing I don't understand is the almost celebration of being able to go to the pub since yesterday. Pints have been available for months now.

Similarly for older people - it's not as if they'd been locked up until yesterday.

Sweden waves hello.

Whiplash85

Deleted User wrote: »

Seriously... How do you get out of bed in the morning and function? :rolleyes:

Is there a hotline number you can ring for elder abuse?

PowerToWait

Deleted User wrote: »

If we use 580 for Ireland, 2900 deaths.

A few extra deaths and much less detrimental economic, social, and mental impacts.

You want Swedish outcomes, be like Swedes i.e. civic minded, responsible, intelligent and pro-science. Not backward, hysterical, selfish, can’t get a pint the world is ending, anti-science mud slinging illiterates.

beaz2018

Professor Ferguson estimated 85k deaths in Sweden this year. if they didnt apply strict lockdown They must be having some laugh at him now as Boris continues to heed his nonsense.

PowerToWait

PowerToWait wrote: »

You want Swedish outcomes, be like Swedes i.e. civic minded, responsible, intelligent and pro-science. Not backward, hysterical, selfish, can’t get a pint the world is ending, anti-science mud slinging illiterates.

I worked with Swedes for years and they are really not too different from ourselves. They like pubs and drinking. They like socializing. They probably complain about things even more than Irish.

But they are really not too different. And I know that doesn't suit the narrative.

Ginger n Lemon

Deleted User wrote: »

I worked with Swedes for years and they are really not too different from ourselves. They like pubs and drinking. They like socializing. They probably complain about things even more than Irish.

But they are really not too different. And I know that doesn't suit the narrative.

Restrictions supporters talk about Swedes as if they are some magical unicorn people with superior genes to Irish. Its laughable. They have 2 legs and 2 arms, they have homeless people, smokers, alcoholics etc.

beaz2018

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Restrictions supporters talk about Swedes as if they are some magical unicorn people with superior genes to Irish. Its laughable. They have 2 legs and 2 arms, they have homeless people, smokers, alcoholics etc.

Its hilarious. They are made out to be the oddest bunch of hermits on the face of the earth. I met many of them in France in Euro 2016 and they were bloody great craic. (anecdotal I know).

MrMusician18

Deleted User wrote: »

Sweden waves hello.

Indeed.
Sweden had restrictions too though. I believe sweden also has a much higher mortality rate.

In any case, the real issue is when the countries respective health system gets overwhelmed.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I think the main point is that Sweden are evidence that lockdown didn't prevent 200000 deaths.

At most, it MAY have prevented 1000 deaths at an astronomical cost economically, socially and mentally that will last for many years.

And the deaths we did "prevent" are likely to die fairly soon anyways of the primary illnesses they are currently suffering from.

Strange response when you think about it.

It is astounding that someone would be happy to sacrifice 1000 lives over a few jobs and the economy, astounding. I actually think there could be underlying issues for someone to think that way.

Sweden are a disgrace, ridiculed by the rest if europe. An arrogant pighead government who are happy to sacrifice lives, I for one am damn glad I live in Ireland.

UK heading for tighter restrictions, Spain heading for tighter restrictions, France likely heading for tighter restrictions yet a few lads behind keyboards in here think they know better, its funny really.

As a doctor said on the radio at lunch (and as Ive been saying for days) we need to move the whole country to level 3 at a minimum and level 4 at a minimum for Dublin, donegal, louth and anywhere else we are seeing dangers spikes in cases. It gives your opinion a lot of weight when all the experts agree with it.

Zebra3

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

It is astounding that someone would be happy to sacrifice 1000 lives over a few jobs

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0921/1166452-drinks-industry-group-of-ireland/

33,000 jobs at risk.

Just in Dublin.

Just in hospitality.

The "I'm all right Jack" brigade strikes again. :rolleyes:

beaz2018

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

It is astounding that someone would be happy to sacrifice 1000 lives over a few jobs and the economy, astounding. I actually think there could be underlying issues for someone to think that way.

Sweden are a disgrace, ridiculed by the rest if europe. An arrogant pighead government who are happy to sacrifice lives, I for one am damn glad I live in Ireland.

UK heading for tighter restrictions, Spain heading for tighter restrictions, France likely heading for tighter restrictions yet a few lads behind keyboards in here think they know better, its funny really.

As a doctor said on the radio at lunch (and as Ive been saying for days) we need to move the whole country to level 3 at a minimum and level 4 at a minimum for Dublin, donegal, louth and anywhere else we are seeing dangers spikes in cases.

This is an incredibly naïve post. Sweden did not sacrifice anyone. They failed to protect their eldest in the same manner everyone else did. They have a far higher % of old people than the other Scandinavian countries, Stockholm is also more densely populated than Helsinki etc. Being laughed at by the rest of Europe is almost certainly a compliment when you see the sh1t show we are facing into for the next 6 months - year.

Zebra3

Zebra3 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0921/1166452-drinks-industry-group-of-ireland/

33,000 jobs at risk.

Just in Dublin.

Just in hospitality.

The "I'm all right Jack" brigade strikes again. :rolleyes:

The economy will recover (its not even being that badly hit with large amounts of people unaffected by covid, just look at house prices still rising), people will get other jobs etc but you can't bring people back from the dead.

Goldengirl

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I dont think so. First off youve been told in the past not to converse with me. Just a reminder.

2nd off - there are spare ICU beds now, over 30 of them. OP suggested that 5 ICU beds occupied with covid19 going to 14 ICU beds this week is worthy of additional lockdown measures. I said its nonsense - simple as. Country of 4,900,000 people like.

And yes there are no hospital beds available ever. Generally. In fact they dont even have a trolley to put you on to put you in the corridor, if this is our lockdown criterion then we ll be in lockdown every winter

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/patients-left-on-chairs-at-uhl-after-some-of-the-highest-admission-levels-ever-recorded-at-the-hospital-39537286.html

First off , you replied to me so I think that's a non runner here .
You don't get to say who posts and who replies to whom ( unless you are now a mod , are you? You spend your life here so you may as well get paid for it !)
If you post then expect a reply , especially if posting uninformed nonsense.

Secondly you implied in your original post that there were loads of beds available ,mentioning 30 ICU beds, and then conflating them with general beds .

As of yesterday evening there were only 14 ICU beds available in Dublin . So not at crisis point yet but getting there.
Also there were 126 general beds vacant in Dublin , so not at crisis point there either .
No beds vacant in many counties around the country, however.
Look it up!

Before all those beds run out as they will inevitably due to winter illnesses on top of rising Covid infections and hospitalisations, elective surgery , treatments and procedures will have to be cancelled along with appointments and any screening that has been restarted, again .
There is no way the trolley or as you put it correctly , chair in a corridor , can be allowed when there is an infectious disease rampant in the community.

This means that with every bed or ICU bed taken up by a Covid patient there is less and less wiggle room for current general services .

Ginger n Lemon

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

The economy will recover (its not even being that badly hit with large amounts of people unaffected by covid, just look at house prices still rising), people will get other jobs etc but you can't bring people back from the dead.

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Wow. Just wow.

rob316

We are clearly more resilient to it than the experts claim.

AUDI20

Deleted User wrote: »

I think the main point is that Sweden are evidence that lockdown didn't prevent 200000 deaths.

At most, it MAY have prevented 1000 deaths at an astronomical cost economically, socially and mentally that will last for many years.

And the deaths we did "prevent" are likely to die fairly soon anyways of the primary illnesses they are currently suffering from.

Strange response when you think about it.

This is something you cannot forecast and I completely disagree with your statement on this. My Father was diagnosed with Type 2. Diabetes ay 68 but unfortunately passes away at 84, now if he had got Covid at 68 he might have passes away a lot sooner, so fairly soon is very hard to quantify.

rob316

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

It is astounding that someone would be happy to sacrifice 1000 lives over a few jobs and the economy, astounding. I actually think there could be underlying issues for someone to think that way.

Sweden are a disgrace, ridiculed by the rest if europe. An arrogant pighead government who are happy to sacrifice lives, I for one am damn glad I live in Ireland.

UK heading for tighter restrictions, Spain heading for tighter restrictions, France likely heading for tighter restrictions yet a few lads behind keyboards in here think they know better, its funny really.

As a doctor said on the radio at lunch (and as Ive been saying for days) we need to move the whole country to level 3 at a minimum and level 4 at a minimum for Dublin, donegal, louth and anywhere else we are seeing dangers spikes in cases. It gives your opinion a lot of weight when all the experts agree with it.

Its not just a few jobs and the economy. The effects of lockdowns are far reaching, probably immeasurable and will be felt for years. Mental health, screening, people with special needs, our children's education, all have taken a back seat.

weldoninhio

bucketybuck wrote: »

You should just be honest with yourself, your entire crusade is based on the fear that mammie might get sick and no longer be able to wipe your arse for you every day, you want the whole country locked down just to ensure she is there cleaning up after you for as long as possible.

She isn't a human being with her own thoughts, dreams, fears or desires, she only exists to be your mother.

"We are doing this for your own good" are the words of tyrants and lunatics, the type who have decided what "own good" means and don't believe that those they are oppressing have any say in the matter.

For the good of your own health I would advise to stay quiet on things you clearly don't really understand, but you wouldn't listen and I am not arrogant enough to think it should enforced.

Is Nox name Martin by any chance?

https://youtu.be/dzox3mDBA8A

Grant Billions Bifocals

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

It is astounding that someone would be happy to sacrifice 1000 lives over a few jobs and the economy, astounding. I actually think there could be underlying issues for someone to think that way.

Sweden are a disgrace, ridiculed by the rest if europe. An arrogant pighead government who are happy to sacrifice lives, I for one am damn glad I live in Ireland.

UK heading for tighter restrictions, Spain heading for tighter restrictions, France likely heading for tighter restrictions yet a few lads behind keyboards in here think they know better, its funny really.

As a doctor said on the radio at lunch (and as Ive been saying for days) we need to move the whole country to level 3 at a minimum and level 4 at a minimum for Dublin, donegal, louth and anywhere else we are seeing dangers spikes in cases. It gives your opinion a lot of weight when all the experts agree with it.

I don't think you really grasp much of anything do you?

Thousands of people out of work don't all just get a new job... Some of those people will lose their homes, families will fall apart, people will turn to addiction, depression, suicide, crime etc. All of these things are guaranteed to increase in a recession.

You must live a very sheltered life if you refer to the economy as a few jobs.

AUDI20

AUDI20 wrote: »

This is something you cannot forecast and I completely disagree with your statement on this. My Father was diagnosed with Type 2. Diabetes ay 68 but unfortunately passes away at 84, now if he had got Covid at 68 he might have passes away a lot sooner, so fairly soon is very hard to quantify.

68 with Diabetes would likely be fine. Only 253 deaths in the whole country in the 65 - 74 category.

The people dying are more 75+ with terminal cancer etc.

mammychicken

Lundstram wrote: »

One person in this country under the age of 25 has died from Covid19. They also had very and I stress, very bad health problems.

This stat alone is quite incredible.

It's the very age group that have suffered the most. I'm so very glad I'm not in school or college while all these nonsense restrictions are in place. Social life dead. Sporting activity severely curtailed. Travel opportunites non-existent (J1s etc). Ridiculed at every turn by hysterical busybody women/men.

Whatever about our economy, we are damaging our youth for sweet fcuk all.

This, over and over and over, God help them

hynesie08

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

The economy will recover (its not even being that badly hit with large amounts of people unaffected by covid, just look at house prices still rising), people will get other jobs etc but you can't bring people back from the dead.

This time next year, when trump is installed for a second term, and he follows through with his plan to pull big pharma back to the states, and nox is unemployed and his parents are struggling to pay his mortgage..... I'll remember this post, and I will laugh......

MadYaker

bucketybuck wrote: »

Worldwide an average of around 150,000 people die every day.

That must scare you I guess, but life and death are what they are.

The condescending tone is so pathetic

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't think you really grasp much of anything do you?

Thousands of people out of work don't all just get a new job... Some of those people will lose their homes, families will fall apart, people will turn to addiction, depression, suicide, crime etc. All of these things are guaranteed to increase in a recession.

You must live a very sheltered life if you refer to the economy as a few jobs.

The economy is obviously more than a few jobs, as I said large parts of the economy are not being heavily impacted and many of these are areas that would normally be hit hard in a recession such as construction which is flying at the moment lads can't keep work done.

Don't mistake the my stance for not being sympathetic towards those who have lost jobs, I am very sympathetic towards them but I can look at the bigger picture and the importance of the restrictions that are leading to the job losses.

Also and contrary to what some think the situation is impacting my family. I am unaffected work wise but my wife is not working - it is unrelated to covid but the covid situation has meant its taken far far longer to get a new job than it would have in normal times.

MadYaker

If hospital admissions keep increasing dublin will be on level 4 and the rest of us will be on level 3, probably by the end of next week.

Zebra3

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Don't mistake the my stance for not being sympathetic towards those who have lost jobs, I am very sympathetic towards them

We're not mistaking anything.

You were the one that said "a few jobs".

Your posts on here completely lack any empathy towards anyone who is suffering atm that doesn't have covid or that may be high risk.

There's nearly five million of us in this state, and we are republic. We don't have a hierarchy and everyone's concerns and welfare need to be taken in to account, not just a tiny minority who are at risk.

FintanMcluskey

MadYaker wrote: »

If hospital admissions keep increasing dublin will be on level 4 and the rest of us will be on level 3, probably by the end of next week.

Thanks for that Ronan.

My apologies again that case numbers are rising.

Ive been a bold boy