Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

rob316 · 22-09-2020 11:52AM

So we are approaching the anniversary of the first ever case (well so the chinese say) of Covid, 17th November 2019.

Just shy of 1m deaths, about 2500 people a day. Its hardly the deadly pandemic its been made out to be.

More people die from car accidents, AIDS, cancer, heart disease, stroke, TB.

bucketybuck · 22-09-2020 12:16PM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Its not arrogance its advising someone for the good of their health with a deadly disease running wild in the country.

I would most definitely tell an elderly person not to go, I've told people of all ages not to do things over the last few months old and young.

Older people should be isolating bar essential things like going to the shop.

You should just be honest with yourself, your entire crusade is based on the fear that mammie might get sick and no longer be able to wipe your arse for you every day, you want the whole country locked down just to ensure she is there cleaning up after you for as long as possible.

She isn't a human being with her own thoughts, dreams, fears or desires, she only exists to be your mother.

"We are doing this for your own good" are the words of tyrants and lunatics, the type who have decided what "own good" means and don't believe that those they are oppressing have any say in the matter.

For the good of your own health I would advise to stay quiet on things you clearly don't really understand, but you wouldn't listen and I am not arrogant enough to think it should enforced.

22-09-2020 12:17PM

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Ah come on and get a grip of yourself. Isolate yourself if you want but leave others to do as they will. Absolute cheek of you telling your father what to do.

On this occasion it wasn’t me that told him, I’ve told numerous family member to go places or do things over the past months and in the majority of cases they listened. However on this occasion I was beaten to it.

22-09-2020 12:20PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

You should just be honest with yourself, your entire crusade is based on the fear that mammie might get sick and no longer be able to wipe your arse for you every day, you want the whole country locked down just to ensure she is there cleaning up after you for as long as possible.

She isn't a human being with her own thoughts, dreams, fears or desires, she only exists to be your mother.

"We are doing this for your own good" are the words of tyrants and lunatics, the type who have decided what "own good" means and don't believe that those they are oppressing have any say in the matter.

For the good of your own health I would advise to stay quiet on things you clearly don't really understand, but you wouldn't listen and I am not arrogant enough to think it should enforced.

Absolute nonsense from start to finish.

FintanMcluskey · 22-09-2020 12:33PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Spoke to my elderly grandad yesterday after he went to the pub to see his friends. He paid for his two pints upfront, and they were brought to him while he caught up with his friends.

He went 7 months alone, without having any real anyone social interaction with anyone (bar a relative through a window). When he was telling me on the phone, you could tell he was trying his best not to cry.

7 months to an octogenarian is a long f*cking time.

I'm absolutely delighted for him.

Situations like the above are all over Ireland. Yesterday was a great day for many people.

Your grandfather has indoctrinated one the the most valuable things into your charachter which is coping skills and understanding.

Well done him on living his life, realistically 7 months is a significant amount of his limited time left on this planet.

It made me sad to read about another poster who has imprisoned one of their parents, to appease their own fears. They neither understand life or happiness.

hynesie08 · 22-09-2020 12:42PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

You should just be honest with yourself, your entire crusade is based on the fear that mammie might get sick and no longer be able to wipe your arse for you every day, you want the whole country locked down just to ensure she is there cleaning up after you for as long as possible.

She isn't a human being with her own thoughts, dreams, fears or desires, she only exists to be your mother.

"We are doing this for your own good" are the words of tyrants and lunatics, the type who have decided what "own good" means and don't believe that those they are oppressing have any say in the matter.

For the good of your own health I would advise to stay quiet on things you clearly don't really understand, but you wouldn't listen and I am not arrogant enough to think it should enforced.

That's just untrue.......

He also wants her to raise his kids.

JRant · 22-09-2020 12:43PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

You should just be honest with yourself, your entire crusade is based on the fear that mammie might get sick and no longer be able to wipe your arse for you every day, you want the whole country locked down just to ensure she is there cleaning up after you for as long as possible.

She isn't a human being with her own thoughts, dreams, fears or desires, she only exists to be your mother.

"We are doing this for your own good" are the words of tyrants and lunatics, the type who have decided what "own good" means and don't believe that those they are oppressing have any say in the matter.

For the good of your own health I would advise to stay quiet on things you clearly don't really understand, but you wouldn't listen and I am not arrogant enough to think it should enforced.

Everyone knows someone like this. The type that would criticise how you've just laid the patio out back when they couldn't drive a nail in to a piece of timber.

22-09-2020 12:52PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It made me sad to read about another poster who has imprisoned one of their parents, to appease their own fears. They neither understand life or happiness.

Imprisoned my parents? Please. They aren’t that old (would be in the at risk age group) and are perfectly capable of running their lives (and a business). It’s for protecting other vulnerable family members we are trying to minimise risk.

22-09-2020 12:59PM

rob316 wrote: »

So we are approaching the anniversary of the first ever case (well so the chinese say) of Covid, 17th November 2019.

Just shy of 1m deaths, about 2500 people a day. Its hardly the deadly pandemic its been made out to be.

More people die from car accidents, AIDS, cancer, heart disease, stroke, TB.

Same argument, different day. None those are highly infectious virus'.

22-09-2020 01:00PM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I can't understand people, especially elderly taking these risks? did you advise him not to go, are you not extremely worried that he was in a pub around people from multiple households.

None of my family will be going near pubs for the foreseeable, of any age as it's just too risky. I don't think he was considering it but we told my father to not even get any idea in his head of going to the pub as its out of the questions at the moment. And this is coming from me a person who was in the multiple times per week for the last decade and a half. I haven’t even had a sit in meal or a coffee in a cafe since March as it’s just all too much of a risk and nowhere is taking near enough precautions.

The reality is the pubs should not be open as its not safe and people have no personal responsibility and just flocked to them yesterday rather than just staying away.

Seriously... How do you get out of bed in the morning and function? :rolleyes:

22-09-2020 01:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Same argument, different day. None those are highly infectious virus'.

The point is that it kills a tiny number of people.

In fact, the most dangerous part of Covid to younger people in Ireland is the drive to the test centre.

Zebra3 · 22-09-2020 01:11PM

Maybe we should start shooting old people to keep the covid death figures down.

That'll save them!!!

Captain_Crash · 22-09-2020 01:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Same argument, different day. None those are highly infectious virus'.

Very true, but they are all things that have risks which require mitigation. And those mitigations tend to be proportional to the perceived risk.

Micky 32 · 22-09-2020 01:13PM

road_high wrote: »

This is exactly the type of person that would cheerily take away all independence and decision making autonomy from anyone they deem "vulnerable"- all for "their own good". Chilling

Imagine if those type people were in power. We’d probably be in lockdown and restrictions because of climate change or some other reason no doubt

ShyMets · 22-09-2020 01:14PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Maybe we should start shooting old people to keep the covid death figures down.

That'll save them!!!

That's the kind of pro-active thinking we need!

_Kaiser_ · 22-09-2020 01:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Same argument, different day. None those are highly infectious virus'.

And CV-19 may fit that description, however it's not dangerous nor even a significant risk for the vast majority of people. People get infected, many don't even realise they have it, even more recover just fine at home.

That's not opinion. That's based on the outcomes of cases and the details behind the deaths.

Penfailed · 22-09-2020 01:16PM

I would hope that it shouldn't be required...but I'd like to distance myself from Leroy Clever Semicolon's posts lest we be tarred with the same brush. I'm glad that the pubs are open and will be availing of their services on Friday evening...and possibly Saturday afternoon too.

bush · 22-09-2020 01:19PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Do we know what is the criteria to move from level 2 down to level 1 restrictions or are they just making it up as they go along?

When they are not concerned anymore

froog · 22-09-2020 01:24PM

rob316 wrote: »

So we are approaching the anniversary of the first ever case (well so the chinese say) of Covid, 17th November 2019.

Just shy of 1m deaths, about 2500 people a day. Its hardly the deadly pandemic its been made out to be.

More people die from car accidents, AIDS, cancer, heart disease, stroke, TB.

How many you reckon would have died if we had no lockdowns or other control measures?

MadYaker · 22-09-2020 01:30PM

rob316 wrote: »

So we are approaching the anniversary of the first ever case (well so the chinese say) of Covid, 17th November 2019.

Just shy of 1m deaths, about 2500 people a day. Its hardly the deadly pandemic its been made out to be.

More people die from car accidents, AIDS, cancer, heart disease, stroke, TB.

2500 dead per day, but it's not a deadly pandemic :pac: this thread is hilarious.

What's your definition of deadly?

22-09-2020 01:31PM

froog wrote: »

How many you reckon would have died if we had no lockdowns or other control measures?

Best thing to do there is look at a country like Sweden that had no lockdown and half the deaths as they have double the population.

It is not an exact science but would numbers would in a similar region.

bucketybuck · 22-09-2020 01:35PM

MadYaker wrote: »

2500 dead per day, but it's not a deadly pandemic :pac: this thread is hilarious.

What's your definition of deadly?

Worldwide an average of around 150,000 people die every day.

That must scare you I guess, but life and death are what they are.

22-09-2020 01:35PM

MadYaker wrote: »

2500 dead per day, but it's not a deadly pandemic :pac: this thread is hilarious.

What's your definition of deadly?

You realize some people were predicting a civilization ending disease? Go back and read the early threads.

Even some slightly less hysterical people were saying 20 - 30M deaths.

Still less than 1M.

Certainly nowhere near the deadly disease it was built up to be.

froog · 22-09-2020 01:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Best thing to do there is look at a country like Sweden that had no lockdown and half the deaths as they have double the population.

It is not an exact science but would numbers would in a similar region.

Swedens deaths per million of population is 580.
Irelands is 362.

Ginger n Lemon · 22-09-2020 01:45PM

Penfailed wrote: »

I would hope that it shouldn't be required...but I'd like to distance myself from Paityn Fit Lion's posts lest we be tarred with the same brush. I'm glad that the pubs are open and will be availing of their services on Friday evening...and possibly Saturday afternoon too.

Penfailed! Bravo

Bravo.

road_high · 22-09-2020 01:46PM

froog wrote: »

Swedens deaths per million of population is 580.
Irelands is 362.

What about Ireland vs Sweden in terms of population age? We are a good bit younger so I'd expect Ireland to do better given the average is 80 plus (course they never mention if it's died of/died with- big difference but those kind of inconvient facts don't suit the narrative and general mania).

22-09-2020 01:49PM

froog wrote: »

Swedens deaths per million of population is 580.
Irelands is 362.

If we use 580 for Ireland, 2900 deaths.

A few extra deaths and much less detrimental economic, social, and mental impacts.

rob316 · 22-09-2020 01:54PM

MadYaker wrote: »

2500 dead per day, but it's not a deadly pandemic :pac: this thread is hilarious.

What's your definition of deadly?

2500 per day globally, that is nothing.

Ginger n Lemon · 22-09-2020 01:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If we use 580 for Ireland, 2900 deaths.

A few extra deaths and much less detrimental economic, social, and mental impacts.

The year is not over though. Sweden are reporting 1 death with covid on average per day. Most days its actually 0.

Over the next 3 months, the catch up will happen and these figures will come very close to each other.

rob316 · 22-09-2020 01:56PM

froog wrote: »

How many you reckon would have died if we had no lockdowns or other control measures?

Take a look at Sweden

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