Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

hayoc

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I stand by what I said. I would be strongly encouraging and advising any elderly person to stay well clear of pubs or anywhere that there are groups of people in close proximity indoors. Especially as masks will not have been worn.

It's crazy that taking a stance that aligns with experts and medical advice has people ridiculing me. People really need to catch a hold of themselves (not directed at the poster I'm replying to).

I am not comfortable going to a pub and I'm in my mid 30's as I don't want to get the virus or get it and spread it to other family members. So of course I would strongly advise others not to go either especially anyone over 65.

I agree with you Nox with one caveat. You can tell people you dont think its a good idea to mix in pubs. But you should let them do their own risk analysis and let them decide if they are still happy to go.

hayoc

Electric Sheep wrote: »

It may have been forgotten by you, but it's remembered all too well by those who lost homes and businesses to that recession. And to the families and friends of those who took their own lives because of the despair.

I am still feeling the financial impact of the 2008 recession and most people my age are too, to some degree or another.

Whether its because they live in a place thats still worth less than they paid for it (me) or their pensions were decimated and they are close to retirement, or because they borrowed to get through those years and are still not at the end of that debt.

And that only looking at the financial aspect.

iamwhoiam

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Thats not what you posted actually . What you said was that your father was told it was out of the question that he would go to a pub . The absolute arrogance to speak to your father like that is astounding
My kids are your age and we have conversations and opinions but not one of us would dream of speaking like that to each other . We respect others and allow them choose for themselves

hynesie08 wrote: »

Advising and encouraging???? But you said



That's not advising, and I hope if he decides to go for a pint he tells you where to go for being so rude.

and if either of you read my post when someone else accused me of this I confirmed it was not me that said this to him. I would have but was beaten to it.

Also my post is exactly advising and encouraging - advising/encouraging and telling someone to do something is the same thing to me anyway. There are other highly vulnerable family members in the equation also which I also clearly stated and is the reason we would discourage going to the pub etc for anyone coming into contact with them.

funnydoggy

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The real question was why he saw no one for 7 months tbh.

Family was visiting but it was through the window.

Ginger n Lemon

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

and if either of you read my post when someone else accused me of this I confirmed it was not me that said this to him. I would have but was beaten to it.

Also my post is exactly advising and encouraging - advising/encouraging and telling someone to do something is the same thing to me anyway.

In these dark times when absolute nonsense restrictions are being implemented in Dublin when deaths with covid are far behind the road accident deaths since July, your posts are the shining light at the end of the tunnel.

hynesie08

hayoc wrote: »

I am still feeling the financial impact of the 2008 recession and most people my age are too, to some degree or another.

Whether its because they live in a place thats still worth less than they paid for it (me) or their pensions were decimated and they are close to retirement, or because they borrowed to get through those years and are still not at the end of that debt.

And that only looking at the financial aspect.

There's an entire generation of grandparents who are lucky if they've even met their grandchildren, and if they have they won't know when they will again, but sure we're building houses no-one can afford so we're flying.

Zebra3

paw patrol wrote: »

pints have not been available .

"pints with food" have been available and pints taste much nicer without "a substantial meal" fighting for room in one's gut.

fcuk me the bloat I was suffering of late.

It's been treated like a child.

"Eat your din-dins and you can have the yummy dessert!!! Good boy!!"

Imagine explaining this to future generations. :rolleyes:

MrMusician18

funnydoggy wrote: »

Family was visiting but it was through the window.

That wasn't necessary, certainly after the initial relaxation. Or if it was necessary then going to the pub yesterday was surely a much larger risk then when the virus was largely suppressed.

hynesie08

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

and if either of you read my post when someone else accused me of this I confirmed it was not me that said this to him. I would have but was beaten to it.

Also my post is exactly advising and encouraging - advising/encouraging and telling someone to do something is the same thing to me anyway. There are other highly vulnerable family members in the equation also which I also clearly stated and is the reason we would discourage going to the pub etc for anyone coming into contact with them.

Your parents broke their backs to make sure you had a decent upbringing, went through college without financial pressure, gave you land to build on and probably the deposit, and you would have the brass balls to tell him he can't go for a pint......

Hope he "advises" his solicitor to cut you out of the will.

Ginger n Lemon

hynesie08 wrote: »

Your parents broke their backs to make sure you had a decent upbringing, went through college without financial pressure, gave you land to build on and probably the deposit, and you would have the brass balls to tell him he can't go for a pint......

Hope he "advises" his solicitor to cut you out of the will.

I did not expect to read that in this thread. Ever.

But then I didnt expect us to lockdown wet pubs in Dublin for over 6 months. I suppose I need to get with the times :pac:

hynesie08

hynesie08 wrote: »

Your parents broke their backs to make sure you had a decent upbringing, went through college without financial pressure, gave you land to build on and probably the deposit, and you would have the brass balls to tell him he can't go for a pint......

Hope he "advises" his solicitor to cut you out of the will.

For the 3rd time I didn't even mention it to the man, it was my mother who told him before I even broached the topic with them.

Also anyone planning properly will not be leaving much in their will, it will be long transferred over while everyone is living.

MrMusician18

Zebra3 wrote: »

It's been treated like a child.

"Eat your din-dins and you can have the yummy dessert!!! Good boy!!"

Imagine explaining this to future generations. :rolleyes:

Indeed. Imagine having to explain to future generations that we failed to fight the pandemic effectively because a significant minority couldn't go a couple of months without a feed of pints.

I hope they judge us kindly.

hynesie08

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

For the 3rd time I didn't even mention it to the man, it was my mother who told him before I even broached the topic with them.

So you were beaten to it, that must have stung.

Zebra3

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Indeed. Imagine having to explain to future generations that we failed to fight the pandemic effectively because a significant minority couldn't go a couple of months without a feed of pints.

I hope they judge us kindly.

Sure we won't have to as this pandemic is so deadly, there won't be future generations. :rolleyes:

funnydoggy

MrMusician18 wrote: »

That wasn't necessary, certainly after the initial relaxation. Or if it was necessary then going to the pub yesterday was surely a much larger risk then when the virus was largely suppressed.

Adding to the window, when the restrictions were lifted moreso, family spent some time in the back garden with him, socially distant.


Either way and I don't mean to sound snarky, but it's not up to you, me or anyone else to decide what was necessary. You won't convince an 83 year old man that seeing his friends isn't necessary, especially given the amount of time he's been away from them. At 83, 7 months is as valuable as years.



He's recently widowed and severely depressed. If you tell him what is and isn't necessary he'll tell you where to go.

A pub that opens up after months of lockdown that gets by from the patronage of the pensioners of the parish will do all it can to abide by the public health measures. He was perfectly safe doing what he did, as safe as he is going to the post office to collect his pension each week and the paper in the shop.

Electric Sheep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Also anyone planning properly will not be leaving much in their will, it will be long transferred over while everyone is living.

Or not, when they realize what they brought up.

MrMusician18

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I did not expect to read that in this thread. Ever.

But then I didnt expect us to lockdown wet pubs in Dublin for over 6 months. I suppose I need to get with the times :pac:

Bit of a mad thread alright. I certainly wasn't expecting to see a poster being admonished by another for telling his father he can't go to the pub, whilst at the same time kept his own depressed grandfather locked inside for 7 months!

Ginger n Lemon

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Indeed. Imagine having to explain to future generations that we failed to fight the pandemic effectively because a significant minority couldn't go a couple of months without a feed of pints.

I hope they judge us kindly.

I can see future conversations go something like below

"Why were you wearing these silly face coverings?"

"We were told they were effective."

"But you didnt wear them during March to May when most deaths occured?"

"Yes but that doesnt matter, we did well, we clapped for HSE and saved lives by eating dominos at home".


Not good.

risteard7

Zebra3 wrote: »

Sure we won't have to as this pandemic is so deadly, there won't be future generations. :rolleyes:

Yeah it's crazy, the amount of bodies piled up on the side of the roads is frightening. We were told up to 100,000 deaths. I'd say we might triple that figure

emo72

Some expert on the wireless just there saying dublin should be level 4 and the rest of the country level 3. I tell yis lads it's coming. Full lockdown for Christmas.

It's not as much fun drinking in a field at Christmas as it is in the summer.

funnydoggy

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Bit of a mad thread alright. I certainly wasn't expecting to see a poster being admonished by another for telling his father he can't go to the pub, whilst at the same time kept his own depressed grandfather locked inside for 7 months!

Kept him in? :pac: I have my own life. I don't decide what my grandfather does. Neither does my family. He stayed in because he was afraid. He decided another few months of lockdown would be worse than possibly getting sick.

His choice, his alone.

Electric Sheep

Electric Sheep wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Or not, when they realize what they brought up.

What's that supposed to mean?

Agreeing with and abiding by expert advice and regulations and telling others to do the same during a deadly pandemic is now suddenly a terrible thing to have been brought up to do? Please, the nonsense on display in here is someting else.

risteard7

334 people diagnosed with a runny nose

Ginger n Lemon

Incorrect.

Most common symptom of confirmed covid-19 case is that people are perfectly healthy.

Ginger n Lemon

risteard7 wrote: »

334 people diagnosed with a runny nose

It is pretty amazing how deaths curve has been crushed. Yet how absolutely no recognition of this is being discussed by Ronan.

We crushed the death curve, isnt that what Gerry Killeen always wanted?

Soon you ll be kept indoors to reduce flu cases going to hospitals and taking up them hospital resources..

CruelSummer

HSE head is ‘very concerned’ on the news, where on earth is their winter plan? How do they not have increased capacity. They’ve had 6 months of the country in paralysis!!

_Kaiser_

CruelSummer wrote: »

HSE head is ‘very concerned’ on the news, where on earth is their winter plan? How do they not have increased capacity. They’ve had 6 months of the country in paralysis!!

My take from one of the interviews was they expect to be able to lean on the private hospitals again.

More taxpayer money and more "non-Covid" procedures deferred no doubt.

FintanMcluskey

risteard7 wrote: »

334 people diagnosed with a runny nose

They dont all have the dreaded runny nose.

Many are completely asymptomatic

Ginger n Lemon

On a more serious note - has anyone been to Dublin city centre lately? My friend went yesterday and tells me its like a ghost town, is this true? Good few social welfare people out and about though, but seemed like unusually a lot of them.

Just worried Dublin may become new New York with the crime and poverty etc. Very worried as I live in Dublin north (that isnt a good area to start with)

_Kaiser_

If I had a euro for every time a HSE/NPHET official was "very concerned"....