Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

LessOutragePlz

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

The economy will recover (its not even being that badly hit with large amounts of people unaffected by covid, just look at house prices still rising), people will get other jobs etc but you can't bring people back from the dead.

At what cost will the economy recover? And who is going to pay for this recovery?

You do realise that if we have less people working then we have less taxes being collected such as PAYE, PRSI, USC etc.

The longer this goes on for the greater the burden will be on the taxpayers and the government and with less people working the greater that burden will be but, sure we've got save every single 80+ year old person in Ireland.

And we're all murders for saying as much :rolleyes: you need to get a grip on the reality of the economic effect that this situation is having and will have long into the future.

LessOutragePlz

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

At what cost will the economy recover? And who is going to pay for this recovery?

You do realise that if we have less people working then we have less taxes being collected such as PAYE, PRSI, USC etc.

The longer this goes on for the greater the burden will be on the taxpayers and the government and with less people working the greater that burden will be but, sure we've got save every single 80+ year old person in Ireland.

And we're all murders for saying as much :rolleyes: you need to get a grip on the reality of the economic effect that this situation is having and will have long into the future.

This is the same stuff that was being said during the far worse recession in 2008 yet we recovered and it was forgotten about within a few years.

MadYaker

MadYaker wrote: »

If hospital admissions keep increasing dublin will be on level 4 and the rest of us will be on level 3, probably by the end of next week.

The will of the people is largely gone now so it doesn't really matter what level anyone is on. Even level 1 is extremely restrictive anyways.

Dublin restrictions most likely won't work with schools/airport etc open.
They might try to upgrade to 4... then 5... then 6 and close schools as well.

Maybe then cases will go down for a few weeks until we reopen again.

Ginger n Lemon

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

This is the same stuff that was being said during the far worse recession in 2008 yet we recovered and it was forgotten about within a few years.

Noxx, I love you but you gotta stop saying "we". There are hundreds of thousands of Irish people aged 30 - 40 living with their parents as they are unable to move out due to that recession.

So "we" did not recover.

Grant Billions Bifocals

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

This is the same stuff that was being said during the far worse recession in 2008 yet we recovered and it was forgotten about within a few years.

Was it though???

We still pay the temporary USC tax. We still pay high income tax. People earning less than the average wage pay tax in the higher tax bracket.

The housing crisis is worse than ever. Rents are higher than ever.

Something tells me that Covid and all of these lockdowns/restrictions is not going to improve any of these situations. It will make them even worse.

As long as you are ok though? The only impact to you is that it took your wife slightly longer to find a job... :rolleyes:

LessOutragePlz

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

This is the same stuff that was being said during the far worse recession in 2008 yet we recovered and it was forgotten about within a few years.

Ask all the people that can't afford to get on the property ladder due to that recession and are stuck renting or living at home with their parents.

I'm sure they'd have a different opinion to you just shows how much you are out of touch with reality which doesn't surprise me at all tbh given the nature of your previous posts in this thread.

Zebra3

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

This is the same stuff that was being said during the far worse recession in 2008 yet we recovered and it was forgotten about within a few years.

Really?

All the suicides forgotten about?

You can't bring people back from the dead.

Ginger n Lemon

Love Noxx or hate him, he does get a furore of responses.



We recovered. Oh what a beauty

Zebra3

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Love Noxx or hate him, he does get a furore of responses.



We recovered. Oh what a beauty

Yeah. All the shareholders who lost their pension potty in the banks, the magic money tree dropped a nice wedge into them a couple of years ago.

I really really fear for the younger generations when I read posts like the ones posted by Leroy Clever Semicolon.
I don't want to personally single him out because I know that lots and lots of other people feel the same.

Some people are blind to the fact that lots of young left Ireland and never returned after 2008.
People are blind to the fact that 30 - 40 year olds are moving back home to try to afford a home that will probably be 60Km from their job.

And it is those younger generations that will be f*cked over once again.

hynesie08

I must tell everyone I know who's on less money than they were ten years ago, living in a negative equity house, working till 70 cause their pension was destroyed, hoping their child moves out before 40,that nox on the internet said we've recovered, they'll be happy to know.

LessOutragePlz

Zebra3 wrote: »

Yeah. All the shareholders who lost their pension potty in the banks, the magic money tree dropped a nice wedge into them a couple of years ago.

But let's go down that road again because we're still not paying off that debt in relation to the bailout and we won't have to borrow a load more money again to finance the current measures that are in place and to finance the recovery in the near future :rolleyes:.

ShyMets

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Love Noxx or hate him, he does get a furore of responses.



We recovered. Oh what a beauty

Just better off not engaging. The Poster in question seems to be living in an utter fantasy world

Ginger n Lemon

ShyMets wrote: »

Just better off not engaging. The Poster in question seems to be living in an utter fantasy world

Yeah but in fairness when you listen to Leo's speech last week when Level 3 was announced and indoor dinning was banned, it went something like:

"I understand that the efforts and what is being asked from the businesses are significant and very difficult in the current year"

What. Lol. Anyone in the government actually ex businessmen? If not - how do they understand? You'd listen to Leo you'd think he runs a coffee shop that suffers from restrictions :rolleyes:

Captain_Crash

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

just look at house prices still rising

This is an artificial rise in value. Its simply down to peoples' mortgage approval expiring and them knowing they wont be approved for the same amount (if at all) if they try to renew it due to..... you guessed it... the economic situation!!

So there are many people rushing to buy at the minute, and that is going to come crashing down sooner rather than later.

paw patrol

MrMusician18 wrote: »

One thing I don't understand is the almost celebration of being able to go to the pub since yesterday. Pints have been available for months now.

pints have not been available .

"pints with food" have been available and pints taste much nicer without "a substantial meal" fighting for room in one's gut.

fcuk me the bloat I was suffering of late.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

As long as you are ok though? The only impact to you is that it took your wife slightly longer to find a job... :rolleyes:

Is taking long, many many months looking without luck. Major knock on impact on delaying a mortgage application on the house we are building and all the knock on impacts of that. Don’t just assume I’m not impacted quite a bit.

Deleted User wrote: »

I really really fear for the younger generations when I read posts like the ones posted by Nox001.
I don't want to personally single him out because I know that lots and lots of other people feel the same.

Some people are blind to the fact that lots of young left Ireland and never returned after 2008.
People are blind to the fact that 30 - 40 year olds are moving back home to try to afford a home that will probably be 60Km from their job.

And it is those younger generations that will be f*cked over once again.

I am that generation so to me that gives me the right to say we have recovered. I graduated into the crash and ended up spending many more years in university completing further studies as there were few jobs. I’m years behind in pension contributions and in salary increases as I was late 20’s starting full time work. But still the economy has recovered from the 2008 recession, we were booming again prior to covid - you can’t deny this.

Ginger n Lemon

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Is taking long, many many months looking without luck. Major knock on impact on delaying a mortgage application on the house we are building and all the knock on impacts of that. Don’t just assume I’m not impacted quite a bit.



I am that generation so to me that gives me the right to say we have recovered. I graduated into the crash and ended up spending many more years in university completing further studies as there were few jobs. I’m years behind in pension contributions and in salary increases as I was late 20’s starting full time work. But still the economy has recovered from the 2008 recession, we were booming again prior to covid - you can’t deny this.

I love that in bold - reminds me of 300.

"This battle is over, when I say it is over"

Captain_Crash

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I love that in bold - reminds me of 300.

"This battle is over, when I say it is over"

F**k it... I'm the generation who can decide when Covid is over....

Soooooo.... Covid's over ya'll! Its true cause I say so.

On a serious note tho, I'm not quick to use the ignore button and there aren't many people on the list, and none from this thread. I try my best to take in all posters views and form an opinion based on reading things I both agree and disagree with, as do most on this thread I believe... but someone is getting very close to that point.

firemansam4

Quinn Steep Policeman wrote:

It is astounding that someone would be happy to sacrifice 1000 lives over a few jobs and the economy, astounding. I actually think there could be underlying issues for someone to think that way.

Sweden are a disgrace, ridiculed by the rest if europe. An arrogant pighead government who are happy to sacrifice lives, I for one am damn glad I live in Ireland.

UK heading for tighter restrictions, Spain heading for tighter restrictions, France likely heading for tighter restrictions yet a few lads behind keyboards in here think they know better, its funny really.

As a doctor said on the radio at lunch (and as Ive been saying for days) we need to move the whole country to level 3 at a minimum and level 4 at a minimum for Dublin, donegal, louth and anywhere else we are seeing dangers spikes in cases. It gives your opinion a lot of weight when all the experts agree with it.

I'm not saying that we should be sacrificing any jobs for the economy, but there are some valid points being made...

1. There are going to be missed or late diagnosis for many other diseases because of some cancelled services in the health system, how many? I'm not sure, but I hazard a guess it will be a high number.

2. The very fact we are borrowing huge sums of money means that there is going to be a lot less money to invest in health services In the future. Longer waiting lists ect means there will be far reaching health consequences into the future and for future generations.

3. We have already put the economy before lives every year before this pandemic. Where we're the lockdowns and restrictions every flu season when hospitals we're jammed?
If we spent more money on health every year more lives would be saved its as simple as that.

funnydoggy

That poster lost all credibility to me, when they suggested I tell my recently widowed, depressed 83 year old grandparent that he shouldn't have two pints with 8 or so friends in a quiet local pub, after not really seeing people for about 7 months.

bucketybuck

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Noxx, I love you but you gotta stop saying "we". There are hundreds of thousands of Irish people aged 30 - 40 living with their parents

In fairness, Nox would consider that to be living the dream.

Plumbthedepths

This thread if anything proves excessive alcohol consumption not only affects the liver.

Jackman25

funnydoggy wrote: »

That poster lost all credibility to me, when they suggested I tell my recently widowed, depressed 83 year old grandparent that he shouldn't have two pints with 8 or so friends in a quiet local pub, after not really seeing people for about 7 months.

I'm not sure if that poster is trolling or not but if not the responses to that were scary, like Norman Bates job.

I wonder if there are families in the country now being figuratively held hostage in their homes by people terrified out of their bracket.

funnydoggy

funnydoggy wrote: »

That poster lost all credibility to me, when they suggested I tell my recently widowed, depressed 83 year old grandparent that he shouldn't have two pints with 8 or so friends in a quiet local pub, after not really seeing people for about 7 months.

I stand by what I said. I would be strongly encouraging and advising any elderly person to stay well clear of pubs or anywhere that there are groups of people in close proximity indoors. Especially as masks will not have been worn.

It's crazy that taking a stance that aligns with experts and medical advice has people ridiculing me. People really need to catch a hold of themselves (not directed at the poster I'm replying to).

I am not comfortable going to a pub and I'm in my mid 30's as I don't want to get the virus or get it and spread it to other family members. So of course I would strongly advise others not to go either especially anyone over 65.

Electric Sheep

Micky 32 wrote: »

Imagine if those type people were in power. We’d probably be in lockdown and restrictions because of climate change or some other reason no doubt

One thing that you can be sure of is that nox gives no ****s about climate change. He probably thinks it's all a hoax.

iamwhoiam

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I stand by what I said. I would be strongly encouraging and advising any elderly person to stay well clear of pubs or anywhere that there are groups of people in close proximity indoors. Especially as masks will not have been worn.

It's crazy that taking a stance that aligns with experts and medical advice has people ridiculing me. People really need to catch a hold of themselves (not directed at the poster I'm replying to).

I am not comfortable going to a pub and I'm in my mid 30's as I don't want to get the virus or get it and spread it to other family members. So of course I would strongly advise others not to go either especially anyone over 65.

Thats not what you posted actually . What you said was that your father was told it was out of the question that he would go to a pub . The absolute arrogance to speak to your father like that is astounding
My kids are your age and we have conversations and opinions but not one of us would dream of speaking like that to each other . We respect others and allow them choose for themselves

hynesie08

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I stand by what I said. I would be strongly encouraging and advising any elderly person to stay well clear of pubs or anywhere that there are groups of people in close proximity indoors. Especially as masks will not have been worn.

It's crazy that taking a stance that aligns with experts and medical advice has people ridiculing me. People really need to catch a hold of themselves (not directed at the poster I'm replying to).

I am not comfortable going to a pub and I'm in my mid 30's as I don't want to get the virus or get it and spread it to other family members. So of course I would strongly advise others not to go either especially anyone over 65.

Advising and encouraging???? But you said

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

we told my father to not even get any idea in his head of going to the pub as its out of the questions at the moment.

That's not advising, and I hope if he decides to go for a pint he tells you where to go for being so rude.

Electric Sheep

Micky 32 wrote: »

Imagine if those type people were in power. We’d probably be in lockdown and restrictions because of climate change or some other reason no doubt

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

This is the same stuff that was being said during the far worse recession in 2008 yet we recovered and it was forgotten about within a few years.

It may have been forgotten by you, but it's remembered all too well by those who lost homes and businesses to that recession. And to the families and friends of those who took their own lives because of the despair.

MrMusician18

funnydoggy wrote: »

That poster lost all credibility to me, when they suggested I tell my recently widowed, depressed 83 year old grandparent that he shouldn't have two pints with 8 or so friends in a quiet local pub, after not really seeing people for about 7 months.

The real question was why he saw no one for 7 months tbh.