Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Penfailed

polesheep wrote: »

That's a speciality :rolleyes:

Well, without specialising, it's still 8 years.

manniot2

MadYaker wrote: »

I'm continuously amazed at the stuff people choose to have an issue with or get outraged about, thats the least of our problems

it might be the least of your problems. but for many its a complete disaster.

these decisions being made on the back of an over sensitive inaccurate pcr test...just incredible.

hamburgham

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Rte said just now govt are "likely to accept this recommendation".

Im lost for words. The riots are coming.

We’re a liberal country now so dissenting voices aren’t allowed.

Somebody spray painted ‘Covid is a scam’ on my road. Honestly, it wasn’t me but surprised and quietly pleased that someone in my area feels more strongly about this than I do.

MadYaker

manniot2 wrote: »

it might be the least of your problems. but for many its a complete disaster.

these decisions being made on the back of an over sensitive inaccurate pcr test...just incredible.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

That's absolutely not what decisions are based on, as you well know.

Goldengirl

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Is that supposed to be the blessing of it then? Because someone else did it somewhere else too? Probably plenty of places who didnt.

Not at all just counteracting the bluster about insanity ?
If you see that was actually the post I was replying to .

Ginger n Lemon

manniot2 wrote: »

it might be the least of your problems. but for many its a complete disaster.

these decisions being made on the back of an over sensitive inaccurate pcr test...just incredible.

Its a huge disaster. The public backlash will be huge. Guaranteed

MadYaker

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Its a huge disaster. The public backlash will be huge. Guaranteed

You've been saying that for 6 months

Goldengirl

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Its a huge disaster. The public backlash will be huge. Guaranteed

Nope . Will be a bigger backlash if they do sfa.

Stormyteacup

MadYaker wrote: »

I'm continuously amazed at the stuff people choose to have an issue with or get outraged about, thats the least of our problems

Yes but you choose to believe that it’s because people are put out they can’t go to their favourite restaurant.

Consider for a moment that your brother who works in Google has suddenly found his job automated and is not only unemployed but unemployable for the future - with maybe a new mortgage and a pregnant wife? Overly emotive? Yes perhaps, but it’s a reality for tens of thousands in hospitality, tourism, entertainment industry and aviation.

ElektroToad

This recommendation is unworkable in the real world. You'd be forgiven for thinking that their plan is to single-handedly wipe out the entire food services, hospitality sector and the all jobs within....

Let's not forget that all the COVID supports that were introduced earlier this year have all expired / greatly slimmed down (all business tax deferrals end this month, a less generous wage subsidy scheme now in operation...).

Don't be surprised if more businesses decide to pack it in if this comes to pass.

hamburgham

manniot2 wrote: »

if i was a restaurant owner i would honestly hand back the keys tmrw morning. we are finished

Despite everything, I haven’t actually contacted any TDs up to now to let them know how opposed I am to all this sh**e. Contacting them now and we all have to. It’s gone too far.

Was in my favourite restaurant in Dublin city centre yesterday, should have been buzzing, was grim. What we are doing to all these businesses is disgusting. My question to everyone who supports these restrictions, are you suffering financially yourself as a result?

Ginger n Lemon

MadYaker wrote: »

You've been saying that for 6 months

Yep. And two thousand people came by govt buildings last week. Imagine how many will come in the next 2 weeks if capital city goes into essentially a lockdown over.... over Cases. CASES. Is anybody ill?

Most common symptom of a confirmed covid case since May is that people are perfectly healthy. Its a fact. But you wont hear this from Ronan Glynn

MadYaker

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Yes but you choose to believe that it’s because people are put out they can’t go to their favourite restaurant.

Consider for a moment that your brother who works in Google has suddenly found his job automated and is not only unemployed but unemployable for the future - with maybe a new mortgage and a pregnant wife? Overly emotive? Yes perhaps, but it’s a reality for tens of thousands in hospitality, tourism, entertainment industry and aviation.

You've no idea what I believe or don't believe. You and many others seem to think that such happenings are unavoidable in a pandemic and I would say that is hugely naïve. People die, people lose jobs, businesses close. Governments and individuals can take steps to mitigate it but it is inevitable. This situation requires a different frame of reference. This isn't normal times. A lot of people are acting like the last 6 months haven't happened.

Stormyteacup

MadYaker wrote: »

You've no idea what I believe or don't believe. You and many others seem to think that such happenings are unavoidable in a pandemic and I would say that is hugely naïve. People die, people lose jobs, businesses close. Governments and individuals can take steps to mitigate it but it is inevitable. This situation requires a different frame of reference. This isn't normal times.

You’d nearly think you’d lived though a pandemic before?

People die all the time, agreed.

Markets change and business close over time, but at this level, all at once?

Do not agree it’s inevitable - could absolutely have been mitigated by competent leadership.

MadYaker

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Yep. And two thousand people came by govt buildings last week. Imagine how many will come in the next 2 weeks if capital city goes into essentially a lockdown over.... over Cases. CASES. Is anybody ill?

Most common symptom of a confirmed covid case since May is that people are perfectly healthy. Its a fact. But you wont hear this from Ronan Glynn

I pointed this out already but I guess you missed it. 3 weeks ago there was 1 person ICU, last week there was 6, as of today there is 14 in ICU and we now have 43 free ICU beds for the entire country heading into flu season. General hospital admissions of covid 19 patients are increasing every day now. It's not about cases or tests anymore unfortunately. You can read the numbers here https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/coronavirus-daily-operations-updates.html

MadYaker

Stormyteacup wrote: »

You’d nearly think you’d lived though a pandemic before?

People die all the time, agreed.

Markets change and business close over time, but at this level, all at once?

Do not agree it’s inevitable - could absolutely have been mitigated by competent leadership.

Competent leadership combined with a public willing to educate themselves about what is happening and take the necessary precautions for the benefit of everyone, we have neither.

It is inevitable. Mitigation and total prevention are not the same thing. In what country is nobody dying? Whose economy isn't taking a hit of some sort? What country is living without any form of restrictions whatsoever? Its not a regular series of events.

normanoffside

ElektroToad wrote: »

This recommendation is unworkable in the real world. You'd be forgiven for thinking that their plan is to single-handedly wipe out the entire food services, hospitality sector and the all jobs within....

Let's not forget that all the COVID supports that were introduced earlier this year have all expired / greatly slimmed down (all business tax deferrals end this month, a less generous wage subsidy scheme now in operation...).

Don't be surprised if more businesses decide to pack it in if this comes to pass.

I think NPHET just assumes that they have a blank cheque.
At the same stage FF lack diplomacy and can't seem to get everyone on board with the same message.

The result is a very confused, broke, indebted and frustrated public.

I can't see how this government can go on much longer.

Goldengirl

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Not a joke thread by any means.

How long would it take to train a nurse to ICU level out of interest?

I was referring to general nursing - do you not agree that UK training affords more skills to those qualifying with a general nursing degree than in Ireland? Nurses with more skills surely would take pressure off specialised nurses and junior doctors?

Would not be of the opinion that care in Ireland is in any way inferior to UK.

And can see that if we go into a surge without enough qualified professionals we will be in trouble.

Have acknowledged that in several previous posts

Could you address why we cannot call up existing qualified health professionals on list?

If there are suitably qualified people, of which there are probably a few ,yes that would be a great help.
Training is very similar in both areas . Both have their strengths, but I could not say that UK training is better . And I did my ICU training there but my General in Ireland .
Irish degree qualification is a really excellent training and the new nurses get loads of experience in their final year interning on the hospitals , and are part of the workforce , skills are very levelled out at the end of that .
People work in an area supervised for six months or or so usually to gain experience following qualification before the take on a post grad course be it another qualification or an ICU course which last 6 months to a year depending on the course . They would be would be very able to manage patients after that in either country .
Specialist doctors 10 years at least , Consultants longer .

By the way , it is the carry on of some posters here who can't seem to discuss anything rationally but act as if they are a group of schoolkids (maybe they are ?) that's made this thread the joke of the forum !

Penfailed

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

The riots are coming.

When?

Ginger n Lemon

Penfailed wrote: »

When?

3rd of October. Maybe sooner though.

Ginger n Lemon

MadYaker wrote: »

I pointed this out already but I guess you missed it. 3 weeks ago there was 1 person ICU, last week there was 6, as of today there is 14 in ICU and we now have 43 free ICU beds for the entire country heading into flu season. General hospital admissions of covid 19 patients are increasing every day now. It's not about cases or tests anymore unfortunately. You can read the numbers here https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/coronavirus-daily-operations-updates.html

So Dublin goes to level 3 when 14 people are in ICU? Level 4 when 20 in ICU? You post some wonderful material tonight thats for sure.

MadYaker

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

So Dublin goes to level 3 when 14 people are in ICU? Level 4 when 20 in ICU? You post some wonderful material tonight thats for sure.

You need to learn how to learn.

Assetbacked

Goldengirl wrote: »

It's what has been happening in New York since they have opened up .

New York! One of the worst hit cities in the world for Covid! Sure, let's follow them!

Stormyteacup

MadYaker wrote: »

Competent leadership combined with a public willing to educate themselves about what is happening and take the necessary precautions for the benefit of everyone, we have neither.

That is fair. But a basic part of people management is positive reinforcement. Absolutely abysmal performance by government.

Hammer home the important precautions - berating various parts of society depending on what’s trending as dangerous, is losing people at a good pace.

Ginger n Lemon

MadYaker wrote: »

You need to learn how to learn.

You need to learn how to stop living in fear.

Captain_Crash

Assetbacked wrote: »

New York! One of the worst hit cities in the world for Covid! Sure, let's follow them!

And most densely populated, a virus like covid was alway gonna have an impact there

Assetbacked

Captain_Crash wrote: »

And most densely populated, a virus like covid was alway gonna have an impact there

It doesn't take away from the comment that if we're following a similar approach to NY with respect to the outdoor dining, we can add another ridiculous and illogical restriction to the pretty long list of silly restrictions.

Goldengirl

Assetbacked wrote: »

New York! One of the worst hit cities in the world for Covid! Sure, let's follow them!

No Assetbacked . Since they have gradually opened up . Can you not read the post ?

Assetbacked

Goldengirl wrote: »

No Assetbacked . Since they have gradually opened up . Can you not read the post ?

Trump 2020 is it too?

normanoffside

It really galls me that I would have to align myself with right-wing lunatics and 'patriots' to protest against restrictions but it is getting close to that point.