Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

MadYaker wrote: »

They want to put dublin on level 4 but they haven't got the balls to make the call. Micheal is a weak man.

Probably, but for all NHET's failing, do you really think they advised government that under level 3 pubs should stay open and museums should close?

I don't believe it for a second but on Tuesday MM was throwing them under a bus, explaining that the Road Map was exactly what NPHET advised.

NPHET are now getting their shots in first by publicly leaking their meetings and conclusions and throwing the ball back in MM's court.

It's now up to MM to completely distance himself from NPHET and go his way or just accept all their advice from now on.

He's a terrible leader with no diplomacy skills.

polesheep wrote: »

Let's have this conversation in four years' time. Unfortunately we can't go back four years.

I understand how long does it take to train nurses and doctors and build qualifications, but your posts were saying something different imo.

normanoffside wrote: »

Probably, but for all NHET's failing, do you really think they advised government that under level 3 pubs should stay open and museums should close?

I don't believe it for a second but on Tuesday MM was throwing them under a bus, explaining that the Road Map was exactly what NPHET advised.

NPHET are now getting their shots in first by publicly leaking their meetings and conclusions and throwing the ball back in MM's court.

It's now up to MM to completely distance himself from NPHET and go his way or just accept all their advice from now on.

He's a terrible leader with no diplomacy skills.

No I think NPHETs take is that Dublin should be on level 4 and pubs should be closed. The museums are a red herring really, they are a casualty of the way public places had to be categorized, I know it sounds ridiculous but try to ignore it when assessing the situation.

NPHET have been consistent throughout and I don't think the roadmap was their idea at all. I think the problem is this sub committee of civil servants that FF has set up which "interprets" NPHETs advice before relaying it to government. I think a lot of people missed this but Micheal Martin is under intense pressure from inside FF to sideline NPHET. His attempt to deal with that was to set up this sub committee to interpret and relay the advice and since they have been involved we now have this level system which the gov can't even stick too. https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/separate-government-updates-as-nphet-feels-undermined-a-health-minister-grating-up-against-people/ar-BB18YVhQ

That's my take on it anyway 3 beers in.

MadYaker wrote: »

No I think NPHETs take is that Dublin should be on level 4 and pubs should be closed. The museums are a red herring really, they are a casualty of the way public places had to be categorized, I know it sounds ridiculous but try to ignore it when assessing the situation.

NPHET have been consistent throughout and I don't think the roadmap was their idea at all. I think the problem is this sub committee of civil servants that FF has set up which "interprets" NPHETs advice before relaying it to government. I think a lot of people missed this but Micheal Martin is under intense pressure from inside FF to sideline NPHET. His attempt to deal with that was to set up this sub committee to interpret and relay the advice and since they have been involved we now have this level system which the gov can't even stick too. https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/separate-government-updates-as-nphet-feels-undermined-a-health-minister-grating-up-against-people/ar-BB18YVhQ

That's my take on it anyway 3 beers in.

I agree with that, but he was hiding behind criticism of his plan by saying it was 'All NPHET's advice' which is clearly wrong.

I think NPHET are getting very p*ssed off and a chasm is developing.

polesheep wrote: »

Then your comprehension is as poor as your spelling.

Doubt it. But you are expert at it when it comes to comprehension. Thought my spelling was ok.

MadYaker wrote: »

No I think NPHETs take is that Dublin should be on level 4 and pubs should be closed. The museums are a red herring really, they are a casualty of the way public places had to be categorized, I know it sounds ridiculous but try to ignore it when assessing the situation.

NPHET have been consistent throughout and I don't think the roadmap was their idea at all. I think the problem is this sub committee of civil servants that FF has set up which "interprets" NPHETs advice before relaying it to government. I think a lot of people missed this but Micheal Martin is under intense pressure from inside FF to sideline NPHET. His attempt to deal with that was to set up this sub committee to interpret and relay the advice and since they have been involved we now have this level system which the gov can't even stick too. https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/separate-government-updates-as-nphet-feels-undermined-a-health-minister-grating-up-against-people/ar-BB18YVhQ

That's my take on it anyway 3 beers in.

Yes would agree NPHET has been consistent throughout. But it’s not only those inside FF putting pressure on MM to temper NPHET’s influence on decision making.

It should have been done months ago. They are a medical advisory body only - allowing that they were of much importance in the early stages of this pandemic.

And yes having a committee to interpret NPHETs advice is just more bureaucratic nonsense.

Anyone remember the Special Committee on Covid-19 response? They’re still going afaik.

manniot2 wrote: »

outdoor dining only for dublin rest/pubs now .holly fook we really are screwed.

Not a decision though - a strong recommendation from NPHET.

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Blanket overhaul - stop wasting time debating whether museums should open or not or with how many people.

Train existing nurses up to uk level skills for nurses. Call up the 73000 applicants to ‘Ireland on call’ and pay them properly.

Improve conditions and pay for existing nurses and junior doctors.

Make more third level places available for training for possible future pandemics.

Take apart administration cancer of HSE - oh but ‘contracts’ and ‘unions’, if government can implement a law to keep people 2km from their homes because of a pandemic and take over the private hospitals then they can make the hard calls on HSE incompetency.

Hey you , train nurses up to UK level ? ?
I know this is a joke thread but that is just an ignorant statement to make .
Having worked in ICU s in both jurisdictions I can tell you that Irish ICUs are as good if not better as regards staff , and in fact the survival rate is about 6% higher in Ireland .
But if we go into the so called surge capacity without enough numbers of specialist nurses and doctors , we are in trouble .
Newly qualified nurses are great but would need experienced/ ICU trained nurses to work WITH them and then supervised for a while before they could be anyway able to manage .

As for the rest ...I agree .

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Insanity.

It's what has been happening in New York since they have opened up .

if i was a restaurant owner i would honestly hand back the keys tmrw morning. we are finished

manniot2 wrote: »

outdoor dining only for dublin rest/pubs now .holly fook we really are screwed.

I'm continuously amazed at the stuff people choose to have an issue with or get outraged about, thats the least of our problems