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Eamon Ryan

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    #932
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,651 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Well the Greens better have the best most comprehensive social housing strategy in history in place then because a lot of people aren't going to be able to get to work and afford a mortgage.

    Why? were you happy with how is been going under FF & FG for the last couple of decades. Worst housing crisis in the history of the state. Social housing building all but vanished.

    But you reckon the least influential party in govt are dictating policy? And will going forward?...


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    #933
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    When did that happen? I never heard of it, it was not reported on at the time.


    Of course it happened - where do you think I heard about it - a personal phone from Eamon Ryan? Just because you didn't hear about it doesn't mean it wasn't reported. :rolleyes:

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    #934
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    It's almost like when people get in power they change their spots.

    I'm seeing Alan Kelly get a lot of praise these days for his leadership of the opposition despite Labour being absolute weapons when he was in Govt. The same can be said for the green party now.

    Power corrupts. (Not literally, in this case parties merely drop their value system for trade offs)

    Anyone praising Alan kelly for leadership of the opposition clearly can’t count, labour have 3% of the vote, they lead no one.


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    #935
    Thelonious Monk
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    jackboy wrote: »
    What have the greens done for the environment since getting into government?

    Why can’t they cut back on the planting of those conifers that have destroyed the landscape? They could make every plantation at least 50% natives.

    Eamon Ryan’s second stint in government and still showing no interest in really improving the environment.

    The Greens have been in Gov about 5 minutes, how are they responsible for the sitka spruce all over the country? Those trees are grown for profit, they can't just decide to stop it all.
    Same with someone complaining about wind turbines, did Eamon Ryan go out and erect these in the last few months?
    People just try and blame things on the Greens when they have absolutely nothing to do with them. Like new bike lanes in Dublin, done by local councils but everyone blames Eamon Ryan. Bizarre.


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    #936
    jackboy
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    The Greens have been in Gov about 5 minutes, how are they responsible for the sitka spruce all over the country? Those trees are grown for profit, they can't just decide to stop it all.
    Same with someone complaining about wind turbines, did Eamon Ryan go out and erect these in the last few months?
    People just try and blame things on the Greens when they have absolutely nothing to do with them. Like new bike lanes in Dublin, done by local councils but everyone blames Eamon Ryan. Bizarre.

    He could show leadership by talking out against these things and starting to try changing things. He is on the media the whole time and almost never mentions trying to implement a policy that will improve the environment.

    These things are not the fault of the greens but if you are a member of a ‘Green’ party you should at least try to change things. He is obviously a fraud.


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    #937
    Thelonious Monk
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    jackboy wrote: »
    He could show leadership by talking out against these things and starting to try changing things. He is on the media the whole time and almost never mentions trying to implement a policy that will improve the environment.

    These things are not the fault of the greens but if you are a member of a ‘Green’ party you should at least try to change things. He is obviously a fraud.

    You mean like the new forestry policy Eamon has proposed?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/forestry-policy-shift-towards-native-woodlands-likely-to-get-cross-party-support-1.4037458


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    #938
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,535 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    You mean like the new forestry policy Eamon has proposed?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/forestry-policy-shift-towards-native-woodlands-likely-to-get-cross-party-support-1.4037458

    Interesting that now he is in government and has a chance to implement policy, he has lost interest.


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    #939
    Thelonious Monk
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    jackboy wrote: »
    Interesting that now he is in government and has a chance to implement policy, he has lost interest.

    He hasn't lost interest, but Green policies go against the status quo and are nearly impossible to implement, they upset too many people.
    You don't need to worry, he'll be gone in the next election and nothing will have changed, the Greens aren't going to inconvenience your life in any way.


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    #940
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,651 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Seems like he says too much and too little, has too few proposals and too many, you want to hear more and less from him.

    Everything is the greens fault even when they've been in power or had any influence for the 5 mins they've been in power.

    Kinda can't win.


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    #941
    beauf
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    He hasn't lost interest, but Green policies go against the status quo and are nearly impossible to implement, they upset too many people.
    You don't need to worry, he'll be gone in the next election and nothing will have changed, the Greens aren't going to inconvenience your life in any way.

    Exactly. People will wonder how we are so far behind Europe on do many things. It's because the majority of people here don't want to change. Quite happy with the 1970 mindset on everything.


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    #942
    Thelonious Monk
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    beauf wrote: »
    Exactly. People will wonder how we are so far behind Europe on do many things. It's because the majority of people here don't want to change. Quite happy with the 1970 mindset on everything.

    I've seen people blame the Greens for not having the metro built in Dublin yet. When the traffic is bad in Dublin the Greens are blamed because councils put in bike lanes. This is what you're up against.


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    #943
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Of course it happened - where do you think I heard about it - a personal phone from Eamon Ryan? Just because you didn't hear about it doesn't mean it wasn't reported. :rolleyes:

    Could you provide any details, anything to back up the claim?
    Who are you even talking about?


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    #944
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,535 ✭✭✭jackboy


    beauf wrote: »
    Exactly. People will wonder how we are so far behind Europe on do many things. It's because the majority of people here don't want to change. Quite happy with the 1970 mindset on everything.

    Changing the forestry policy would have almost no objections amongst the general population. It is only a small number of vested interests that would be against it. Policies that would have a massive benefit for the environment would have almost no negative financial impact on the general population.

    When the greens go into government, their policies and principles go into the bin. That is why they are frauds.


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    #945
    Thelonious Monk
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    jackboy wrote: »
    Changing the forestry policy would have almost no objections amongst the general population. It is only a small number of vested interests that would be against it. Policies that would have a massive benefit for the environment would have almost no negative financial impact on the general population.

    When the greens go into government, their policies and principles go into the bin. That is why they are frauds.

    Which Irish political parties aren't frauds?


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    #946
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,535 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Which Irish political parties aren't frauds?

    Correct, they are just like the rest.


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    #947
    Thelonious Monk
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    jackboy wrote: »
    Correct, they are just like the rest.

    Except they get far more scrutiny and are blamed for all sorts.


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    #948
    beauf
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    jackboy wrote: »
    Changing the forestry policy would have almost no objections amongst the general population. It is only a small number of vested interests that would be against it. Policies that would have a massive benefit for the environment would have almost no negative financial impact on the general population.

    When the greens go into government, their policies and principles go into the bin. That is why they are frauds.

    I guess it comes down to do you not go into govt until you're big enough to have influence. Or do you go into govt and have little influence but raise your profile, but that can backfire.


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    #949
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    jackboy wrote: »
    Correct, they are just like the rest.

    The Greens got 7%, its not like they are in a position to dictate government policy.

    The option is to compromise with other parties or to stay in opposition and get nothing done. If that makes them frauds, then the word has no meaning at all.


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    #950
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,535 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    The Greens got 7%, its not like they are in a position to dictate government policy.

    The option is to compromise with other parties or to stay in opposition and get nothing done. If that makes them frauds, then the word has no meaning at all.

    A government could not be formed without them. If the compromise resulted in them getting one significant policy through then they could have improved the environment for decades to come.

    To say they got crumbs is generous.


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    #951
    RandomViewer
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    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    The Greens got 7%, its not like they are in a position to dictate government policy.

    The option is to compromise with other parties or to stay in opposition and get nothing done. If that makes them frauds, then the word has no meaning at all.

    On the contrary they have FFG by the balls but are more than happy to stuff their pockets to keep the status quo


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    #952
    Triangle
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    jackboy wrote: »
    Correct, they are just like the rest.

    Jesus, they have done fantastic in a short time and during a pandemic. Change doesn't come quick and there's no magical pill to fix everything.

    DP centers, climate bill, bike infrastructure, rural investment in towns/villages. These wouldn't have happened if the greens were in opposition.

    They also had to deal with legacy issues from the previous government at the start of taking their roles I. E. Forestry issues, mother and baby homes issues - on top of the pandemic.

    Compromise doesn't mean fraud.


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    #953
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Except they get far more scrutiny and are blamed for all sorts.

    Fianna Fail is still the most scrutinised and blamed party in the country, followed by SF. The greens come in 3rd on the ‘scrutiny’ list.


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    #954
    RandomViewer
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Fianna Fail is still the most scrutinised and blamed party in the country, followed by SF. The greens come in 3rd on the ‘scrutiny’ list.

    FF couldn't get five minutes airtime anywhere most days, for the major party of government they've become almost completely anonymous


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    #955
    tayto lover
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    RandomViewer wrote: »
    FF couldn't get five minutes airtime anywhere most days, for the major party of government they've become almost completely anonymous

    And rightly so.
    Screwed the country for years.
    Sickens me see the likes of Bertie getting an extra 17 grand a year in their pensions.


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    #956
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    jackboy wrote: »
    A government could not be formed without them. If the compromise resulted in them getting one significant policy through then they could have improved the environment for decades to come.

    To say they got crumbs is generous.

    It could actually, there are enough Independants to support a FF/FG government. The Greens are needed for stability, but not needed to form a government.

    On 7% the Greens got an end to fossil fuel exploration off shore, killed the development of LNG infrastructure, have the government signed up to significantly higher climate targets, and will put an end to the discrace that is Direct Provision.

    The Greens have been in government barely a wet week, but they are making a difference. The idea that they would rule the roost as the smallest party is just a joke though. Can't win with some people.


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    #957
    jackboy
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    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    On 7% the Greens got an end to fossil fuel exploration off shore, killed the development of LNG infrastructure, have the government signed up to significantly higher climate targets,

    None of this will significantly improve the environment in Ireland. It’s nonsense that they have focused on stuff like this while the Irish environment continues to be destroyed.


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    #958
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    jackboy wrote: »
    None of this will significantly improve the environment in Ireland. It’s nonsense that they have focused on stuff like this while the Irish environment continues to be destroyed.

    Its nonsence that the Green party is focused on shifting our energy production to renewables and preventing carbon emissions? You realise that climate change is the biggest threat the country faces, right???


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    #959
    jackboy
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    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    Its nonsence that the Green party is focused on shifting our energy production to renewables and preventing carbon emissions? You realise that climate change is the biggest threat the country faces, right???

    This attitude is why the environment in Ireland is in dire straits. Focusing on carbon does nothing for the environment. Policies that protect and improve the environment will reduce carbon output by default but it doesn’t work the other way around.


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    #960
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    It could actually, there are enough Independants to support a FF/FG government. The Greens are needed for stability, but not needed to form a government.

    On 7% the Greens got an end to fossil fuel exploration off shore, killed the development of LNG infrastructure, have the government signed up to significantly higher climate targets, and will put an end to the discrace that is Direct Provision.

    The Greens have been in government barely a wet week, but they are making a difference. The idea that they would rule the roost as the smallest party is just a joke though. Can't win with some people.

    What a horrifically retrograde legacy for them to leave “we ended irelands chance at energy independence and will let any migrant off the boat run riot around the country at taxpayers expense”


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    #961
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    What a horrifically retrograde legacy for them to leave “we ended irelands chance at energy independence and will let any migrant off the boat run riot around the country at taxpayers expense”

    Gas and oil, finite resources = energy independance, but renewables like wind and solar which are infinite does not. :pac:


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