Eamon Ryan

Del.Monte

Imreoir2 wrote: »

When did that happen? I never heard of it, it was not reported on at the time.

Of course it happened - where do you think I heard about it - a personal phone from Eamon Ryan? Just because you didn't hear about it doesn't mean it wasn't reported. :rolleyes:

zerosugarbuzz

ChikiChiki wrote: »

It's almost like when people get in power they change their spots.

I'm seeing Alan Kelly get a lot of praise these days for his leadership of the opposition despite Labour being absolute weapons when he was in Govt. The same can be said for the green party now.

Power corrupts. (Not literally, in this case parties merely drop their value system for trade offs)

Anyone praising Alan kelly for leadership of the opposition clearly can’t count, labour have 3% of the vote, they lead no one.

Thelonious Monk

jackboy wrote: »

What have the greens done for the environment since getting into government?

Why can’t they cut back on the planting of those conifers that have destroyed the landscape? They could make every plantation at least 50% natives.

Eamon Ryan’s second stint in government and still showing no interest in really improving the environment.

The Greens have been in Gov about 5 minutes, how are they responsible for the sitka spruce all over the country? Those trees are grown for profit, they can't just decide to stop it all.
Same with someone complaining about wind turbines, did Eamon Ryan go out and erect these in the last few months?
People just try and blame things on the Greens when they have absolutely nothing to do with them. Like new bike lanes in Dublin, done by local councils but everyone blames Eamon Ryan. Bizarre.

jackboy

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The Greens have been in Gov about 5 minutes, how are they responsible for the sitka spruce all over the country? Those trees are grown for profit, they can't just decide to stop it all.
Same with someone complaining about wind turbines, did Eamon Ryan go out and erect these in the last few months?
People just try and blame things on the Greens when they have absolutely nothing to do with them. Like new bike lanes in Dublin, done by local councils but everyone blames Eamon Ryan. Bizarre.

He could show leadership by talking out against these things and starting to try changing things. He is on the media the whole time and almost never mentions trying to implement a policy that will improve the environment.

These things are not the fault of the greens but if you are a member of a ‘Green’ party you should at least try to change things. He is obviously a fraud.

Thelonious Monk

jackboy wrote: »

He could show leadership by talking out against these things and starting to try changing things. He is on the media the whole time and almost never mentions trying to implement a policy that will improve the environment.

These things are not the fault of the greens but if you are a member of a ‘Green’ party you should at least try to change things. He is obviously a fraud.

You mean like the new forestry policy Eamon has proposed?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/forestry-policy-shift-towards-native-woodlands-likely-to-get-cross-party-support-1.4037458

jackboy

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You mean like the new forestry policy Eamon has proposed?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/forestry-policy-shift-towards-native-woodlands-likely-to-get-cross-party-support-1.4037458

Interesting that now he is in government and has a chance to implement policy, he has lost interest.

Thelonious Monk

jackboy wrote: »

Interesting that now he is in government and has a chance to implement policy, he has lost interest.

He hasn't lost interest, but Green policies go against the status quo and are nearly impossible to implement, they upset too many people.
You don't need to worry, he'll be gone in the next election and nothing will have changed, the Greens aren't going to inconvenience your life in any way.

beauf

Seems like he says too much and too little, has too few proposals and too many, you want to hear more and less from him.

Everything is the greens fault even when they've been in power or had any influence for the 5 mins they've been in power.

Kinda can't win.

beauf

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

He hasn't lost interest, but Green policies go against the status quo and are nearly impossible to implement, they upset too many people.
You don't need to worry, he'll be gone in the next election and nothing will have changed, the Greens aren't going to inconvenience your life in any way.

Exactly. People will wonder how we are so far behind Europe on do many things. It's because the majority of people here don't want to change. Quite happy with the 1970 mindset on everything.

Thelonious Monk

beauf wrote: »

Exactly. People will wonder how we are so far behind Europe on do many things. It's because the majority of people here don't want to change. Quite happy with the 1970 mindset on everything.

I've seen people blame the Greens for not having the metro built in Dublin yet. When the traffic is bad in Dublin the Greens are blamed because councils put in bike lanes. This is what you're up against.

Imreoir2

Del.Monte wrote: »

Of course it happened - where do you think I heard about it - a personal phone from Eamon Ryan? Just because you didn't hear about it doesn't mean it wasn't reported. :rolleyes:

Could you provide any details, anything to back up the claim?
Who are you even talking about?

jackboy

beauf wrote: »

Exactly. People will wonder how we are so far behind Europe on do many things. It's because the majority of people here don't want to change. Quite happy with the 1970 mindset on everything.

Changing the forestry policy would have almost no objections amongst the general population. It is only a small number of vested interests that would be against it. Policies that would have a massive benefit for the environment would have almost no negative financial impact on the general population.

When the greens go into government, their policies and principles go into the bin. That is why they are frauds.

Thelonious Monk

jackboy wrote: »

Changing the forestry policy would have almost no objections amongst the general population. It is only a small number of vested interests that would be against it. Policies that would have a massive benefit for the environment would have almost no negative financial impact on the general population.

When the greens go into government, their policies and principles go into the bin. That is why they are frauds.

Which Irish political parties aren't frauds?

jackboy

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Which Irish political parties aren't frauds?

Correct, they are just like the rest.

Thelonious Monk

jackboy wrote: »

Correct, they are just like the rest.

Except they get far more scrutiny and are blamed for all sorts.

beauf

jackboy wrote: »

Changing the forestry policy would have almost no objections amongst the general population. It is only a small number of vested interests that would be against it. Policies that would have a massive benefit for the environment would have almost no negative financial impact on the general population.

When the greens go into government, their policies and principles go into the bin. That is why they are frauds.

I guess it comes down to do you not go into govt until you're big enough to have influence. Or do you go into govt and have little influence but raise your profile, but that can backfire.

Imreoir2

jackboy wrote: »

Correct, they are just like the rest.

The Greens got 7%, its not like they are in a position to dictate government policy.

The option is to compromise with other parties or to stay in opposition and get nothing done. If that makes them frauds, then the word has no meaning at all.

jackboy

Imreoir2 wrote: »

The Greens got 7%, its not like they are in a position to dictate government policy.

The option is to compromise with other parties or to stay in opposition and get nothing done. If that makes them frauds, then the word has no meaning at all.

A government could not be formed without them. If the compromise resulted in them getting one significant policy through then they could have improved the environment for decades to come.

To say they got crumbs is generous.

RandomViewer

Imreoir2 wrote: »

The Greens got 7%, its not like they are in a position to dictate government policy.

The option is to compromise with other parties or to stay in opposition and get nothing done. If that makes them frauds, then the word has no meaning at all.

On the contrary they have FFG by the balls but are more than happy to stuff their pockets to keep the status quo

Triangle

jackboy wrote: »

Correct, they are just like the rest.

Jesus, they have done fantastic in a short time and during a pandemic. Change doesn't come quick and there's no magical pill to fix everything.

DP centers, climate bill, bike infrastructure, rural investment in towns/villages. These wouldn't have happened if the greens were in opposition.

They also had to deal with legacy issues from the previous government at the start of taking their roles I. E. Forestry issues, mother and baby homes issues - on top of the pandemic.

Compromise doesn't mean fraud.

Eric Cartman

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Except they get far more scrutiny and are blamed for all sorts.

Fianna Fail is still the most scrutinised and blamed party in the country, followed by SF. The greens come in 3rd on the ‘scrutiny’ list.

RandomViewer

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Fianna Fail is still the most scrutinised and blamed party in the country, followed by SF. The greens come in 3rd on the ‘scrutiny’ list.

FF couldn't get five minutes airtime anywhere most days, for the major party of government they've become almost completely anonymous

tayto lover

RandomViewer wrote: »

FF couldn't get five minutes airtime anywhere most days, for the major party of government they've become almost completely anonymous

And rightly so.
Screwed the country for years.
Sickens me see the likes of Bertie getting an extra 17 grand a year in their pensions.

Imreoir2

jackboy wrote: »

A government could not be formed without them. If the compromise resulted in them getting one significant policy through then they could have improved the environment for decades to come.

To say they got crumbs is generous.

It could actually, there are enough Independants to support a FF/FG government. The Greens are needed for stability, but not needed to form a government.

On 7% the Greens got an end to fossil fuel exploration off shore, killed the development of LNG infrastructure, have the government signed up to significantly higher climate targets, and will put an end to the discrace that is Direct Provision.

The Greens have been in government barely a wet week, but they are making a difference. The idea that they would rule the roost as the smallest party is just a joke though. Can't win with some people.

jackboy

Imreoir2 wrote: »

On 7% the Greens got an end to fossil fuel exploration off shore, killed the development of LNG infrastructure, have the government signed up to significantly higher climate targets,

None of this will significantly improve the environment in Ireland. It’s nonsense that they have focused on stuff like this while the Irish environment continues to be destroyed.

Imreoir2

jackboy wrote: »

None of this will significantly improve the environment in Ireland. It’s nonsense that they have focused on stuff like this while the Irish environment continues to be destroyed.

Its nonsence that the Green party is focused on shifting our energy production to renewables and preventing carbon emissions? You realise that climate change is the biggest threat the country faces, right???

jackboy

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Its nonsence that the Green party is focused on shifting our energy production to renewables and preventing carbon emissions? You realise that climate change is the biggest threat the country faces, right???

This attitude is why the environment in Ireland is in dire straits. Focusing on carbon does nothing for the environment. Policies that protect and improve the environment will reduce carbon output by default but it doesn’t work the other way around.

Eric Cartman

Imreoir2 wrote: »

It could actually, there are enough Independants to support a FF/FG government. The Greens are needed for stability, but not needed to form a government.

On 7% the Greens got an end to fossil fuel exploration off shore, killed the development of LNG infrastructure, have the government signed up to significantly higher climate targets, and will put an end to the discrace that is Direct Provision.

The Greens have been in government barely a wet week, but they are making a difference. The idea that they would rule the roost as the smallest party is just a joke though. Can't win with some people.

What a horrifically retrograde legacy for them to leave “we ended irelands chance at energy independence and will let any migrant off the boat run riot around the country at taxpayers expense”

Imreoir2

Eric Cartman wrote: »

What a horrifically retrograde legacy for them to leave “we ended irelands chance at energy independence and will let any migrant off the boat run riot around the country at taxpayers expense”

Gas and oil, finite resources = energy independance, but renewables like wind and solar which are infinite does not. :pac:

Eric Cartman

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Gas and oil, finite resources = energy independance, but renewables like wind and solar which are infinite does not. :pac:

Neither of which can be dialled up and down on a whim. Wind and solar can offset consumption of fossil fuels but not eradicate it. The greens have looked at this in a very short sighted manor. consuming our own gas to use in power plants to fill the gap in renewable generation would not only grant us energy independence but also cut down emissions on transporting gas from countries like Russia. You also need gas generators to start many wind turbines.

The only renewable on demand power there is is hydro and we've exploited that avenue as far as we can now.