Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

irishgeo

TomsOnTheRoof wrote: »

Yes you are correct. However that is not to say that the point can't be argued. The restrictions must be proportionate (Cox v Ireland, 1992). Surely, considering what's at stake for so many publicans, it's worth having a go.

Lives are at stake for rest of the population.

Richard Hillman

irishgeo wrote: »

i dont see any army on the streets :rolleyes:

A very clever Coup. A national emergency was declared. The public over their trust to government and NPHET. They enact emergency laws and now suddenly we cant get out of these emergency laws, there is still an apparent emergency.

Sounds like every Coup I have ever seen. Replace NPHET with Military Junta and you get the picture.

MrStuffins

hynesie08 wrote: »

I'm in the middle of Dublin, and there's at least 3 pubs with 2-4 staff within a 10 minute walk of me, usually the owner, the barman and a blow in.

Low wage costs, a good start.

My idea for them opening would be this......

Look at how others are doing it, do that! Boom!!

MrStuffins

Richard Hillman wrote: »

A very clever Coup. A national emergency was declared. The public over their trust to government and NPHET. They enact emergency laws and now suddenly we cant get out of these emergency laws, there is still an apparent emergency.

Sounds like every Coup I have ever seen. Replace NPHET with Military Junta and you get the picture.

A pint and a hobby is what some people need!

stephenjmcd

MrStuffins wrote: »

Nah, unless you live in a town with 20 pubs which are each the size of an average sitting room!

Ones which were "viable businesses" before but can't be if groups sit 2 metres away?

Nah!

well when you cut capacity from 100% down to say 40% then yeah that reduces your viability given a lower turnover.

Its very simple

TomsOnTheRoof

irishgeo wrote: »

Lives are at stake for rest of the population.

If that's the case we may as well close the barbers, the cinemas, the restaurants, the pubs serving food, the hotels, the golf clubs, gaa clubs, soccer clubs, rugby clubs, art galleries, museums etc. Where's the concern for those who are going to die from undiagnosed illnesses due to screening services being unavailable?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

MrStuffins wrote: »

Low wage costs, a good start.

My idea for them opening would be this......

Look at how others are doing it, do that! Boom!!

Thanks, it’s that easy! Wow, you’re good.

hynesie08

MrStuffins wrote: »

Low wage costs, a good start.

My idea for them opening would be this......

Look at how others are doing it, do that! Boom!!

So just build an extension and a kitchen and hire more staff...... Thanks I'll pass it on to them.

MrStuffins

hynesie08 wrote: »

So just build an extension and a kitchen and hire more staff...... Thanks I'll pass it on to them.

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hynesie08

MrStuffins wrote: »

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Simpsons eh, ok I see your simpsons and raise you southpark

Step 1: Reduce capacity by between 40-60%
Step 2: Increase staff costs by at least 100%
Step 3:???????????
Step 4: profit

If you have step 3, feel free to share.

TomsOnTheRoof

TomsOnTheRoof wrote: »

If that's the case we may as well close the barbers, the cinemas, the restaurants, the pubs serving food, the hotels, the golf clubs, gaa clubs, soccer clubs, rugby clubs, art galleries, museums etc. Where's the concern for those who are going to die from undiagnosed illnesses due to screening services being unavailable?

Good point, we really should at this stage.

irishgeo

TomsOnTheRoof wrote: »

If that's the case we may as well close the barbers, the cinemas, the restaurants, the pubs serving food, the hotels, the golf clubs, gaa clubs, soccer clubs, rugby clubs, art galleries, museums etc. Where's the concern for those who are going to die from undiagnosed illnesses due to screening services being unavailable?

If you open the pubs you might need to close everything down again your correct.

Covid could kill you before any undiagnosed illness. Where is your concern about that?

Spanish Eyes

stephenjmcd wrote: »

This is not true, 1am is closing time. Up to each region currently if they want to implement the food pubs like us, but offering snacks counts and you can open.

Not exactly like us.

Nightclubs and night time bars in Spain are closed as they operate past 1am.

Many articles available online as to what the measures in place are

Has anyone been in a non food bar here where a packet of crisps or nuts would just be laid out on the table. NO NEVER! (Pre Covid).

They are getting their just desserts. Feck them.

hynesie08

hynesie08 wrote: »

Simpsons eh, ok I see your simpsons and raise you southpark

Step 1: Reduce capacity by between 40-60%
Step 2: Increase staff costs by at least 100%
Step 3:???????????
Step 4: profit

If you have step 3, feel free to share.

Stick a tip jar on every table. Each time you order a pint you throw an extra 2 or 3 euro in the tip jar. If you want that pint in your favourite family run pub bad enough...

giveitholly

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Has anyone been in a non food bar here where a packet of crisps or nuts would just be laid out on the table. NO NEVER! (Pre Covid).

They are getting their just desserts. Feck them.

Would you really like to be eating crisps/peanuts from open bowls and some people after coming back from the toilet without washing their hands! You could end up with something worse than covid

stephenjmcd

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Has anyone been in a non food bar here where a packet of crisps or nuts would just be laid out on the table. NO NEVER! (Pre Covid).

They are getting their just desserts. Feck them.

What has that got to do with your point of bars in Spain operating in the same manner as here ??

Yup been in a fair few bars that send nibbles down to your table and if there's an event on, quiz night, raffle etc send around platters of finger food to your table.

But again nothing to do with your spain point that I was pointing out is incorrect

hynesie08

Deleted User wrote: »

Stick a tip jar on every table. Each time you order a pint you throw an extra 2 or 3 euro in the tip jar. If you want that pint in your favourite family run pub bad enough...

Grand, but we're not allowed do that right now. If my local want to have a ticketed event/raffle when they reopen, I will gladly buy a ticket.

hynesie08

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Has anyone been in a non food bar here where a packet of crisps or nuts would just be laid out on the table. NO NEVER! (Pre Covid).

They are getting their just desserts. Feck them.

Peanuts, crisps, pizza, cheeseboards, sandwiches, platters. All been put in front of me in pubs no charge.

Maybe you're just drinking in ****ty bars.

MrStuffins

hynesie08 wrote: »

Simpsons eh, ok I see your simpsons and raise you southpark

Step 1: Reduce capacity by between 40-60%
Step 2: Increase staff costs by at least 100%
Step 3:???????????
Step 4: profit

If you have step 3, feel free to share.

Are you suggesting that these pubs are at 100% capacity at all times? Impossible!

Seems like you just don't like social distancing

Spanish Eyes

stephenjmcd wrote: »

What has that got to do with your point of bars in Spain operating in the same manner as here ??

Yup been in a fair few bars that send nibbles down to your table and if there's an event on, quiz night, raffle etc send around platters of finger food to your table.

But again nothing to do with your spain point that I was pointing out is incorrect

Sorry I may have responded to an unconnected post. Is that ok for your policing method.

My point was, that no non food pub that I know of would ever place nibbles out for the punters. So feck them. Well if they do it is VERY rare really. You pay for your peanuts in this country.

hynesie08

MrStuffins wrote: »

Are you suggesting that these pubs are at 100% capacity at all times? Impossible!

Seems like you just don't like social distancing

I love social distancing, I ****ing hate people.

100% at all times, no, that would be stupid, but do you actually believe a small wet pub can run a friday/saturday night at 40% capacity with reduced hours and increased staff costs and make money?

Spanish Eyes

Name the pubs where this largesse with platters and so on happens, cos I will be delighted to visit once they are open again.

It's a local thing I reckon. Never happens where I am and would be so good for the barman to just throw a packet of crisps or nuts in with your pint. Rare enough.

The only time I saw this was in a pub in Cork, and it was magic!

Let me know where publicans do this thanks.

MrStuffins

hynesie08 wrote: »

I love social distancing, I ****ing hate people.

100% at all times, no, that would be stupid, but do you actually believe a small wet pub can run a friday/saturday night at 40% capacity with reduced hours and increased staff costs and make money?

Why are there increased staff costs?

Are you suggesting pubs be allowed open without social distancing?

hetuzozaho

hynesie08 wrote: »

So explain to me how a family owned pub with 2 staff are supposed to open tomorrow and make money?

What do they need announced to get going? What support do they want?

Spanish Eyes

We are in the so called Cafe Culture now. Remember Mc Dowell tried it but the Vintners objected.

FK Them now. This is the future.

hynesie08

MrStuffins wrote: »

Why are there increased staff costs?

Are you suggesting pubs be allowed open without social distancing?

Because any pub I've been in have extra staff on, either hosting at the door or on the floor while the bar staff pull pints.

I'm suggesting that pubs that can open without the unnecessary albatross of a romayos snack box, and can do so in a safe manner, be allowed do so......

MrStuffins

hynesie08 wrote: »

Because any pub I've been in have extra staff on, either hosting at the door or on the floor while the bar staff pull .

So you've been to bars? Open ones like?

Just because they have had extra staff (not sure how you'd know this unless you taking inventory) doesn't mean the tiny dwarf bars in your town will have to.

I'm suggesting that pubs that can open without the unnecessary albatross of a romayos snack box, and can do so in a safe manner, be allowed do so......

But you're talking about reduced capacity. How do snack boxes being in the bar reduce capacity? Do you live in a town with tiny bars and giant snack boxes?

hynesie08

hetuzozaho wrote: »

What do they need announced to get going? What support do they want?

The gov to say you can open without needing to supply food.

Most bars I know have spent thousands on safety measures, stock and sky with the idea that they were opening June 29th,they're never seeing that money again, as well as paying rates and staff. That's not right, if the government are effectively banning you from working, a piss restart grant and a 2% vat cut wouldn't cover leaving the fridges on.

Spanish Eyes

I know I am repeating myself but honestly Irish publicans are tight arsd as fk.

Not a thing to entice us like a plate of crisps and nuts even. FGS that is not a king's ransom, but NO. never.

Just desserts and I have honestly no worries for them at all.

giveitholly

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I know I am repeating myself but honestly Irish publicans are tight arsd as fk.

Not a thing to entice us like a plate of crisps and nuts even. FGS that is not a king's ransom, but NO. never.

Just desserts and I have honestly no worries for them at all.

They are pubs that sell alcohol,not a peanut factory,if you crave peanuts and crisps that badly bulk buy them in the supermarkets