Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

I see sheep

I see sheep wrote: »

Some parts of the UK are doing fine, some are still bad.

E.g. from 1st - 28th July in the North East - 227 cases in a region on 2.7 million - Is basically as low as you're going to get imo.

Some parts of here are fine and some are bad too. If you’re going to get on your knees for the UK then you take it as a whole the same as you’ll bash here as a whole.

Santy2015

Santy2015 wrote: »

Hmmm...
https://twitter.com/jennifer_bray/status/1291077019359416320?s=21

She just wants a pint.

PTH2009

Heard were getting the liam McCarthy here in Waterford if we can keep the numbers low

Sure even Sligo might get Sam too

Muahahaha

Poorside wrote: »

My local used to do Wings Wednesday, wings from a place across the road and a pint for a tenner, never had an issue with the HSE about it.

did the publican tell the HSE he was doing it? If they knew I doubt they would allow it to go ahead. Wouldnt be fair on food pubs either who have to jump through hoops to get food safety certs off the HSE. Time will tell but I cant see them not having a problem with pubs outsourcing legal food safety requirements to a completely different business. Laws in this area are very detailed and finnicky.

stephenjmcd

Muahahaha wrote: »

I thought they did to serve and sell food At least all the food pubs were going on about their restaurant licenses meaning they are more restaurants than pubs

Either way serving food in a pub presumes you have a kitchen which has been inspected and passed by the HSE/Food Safety Authority of Ireland. There is likely a law that says food has to be prepared and cooked in an approved kitchen on the same premises that it is being served to customers in. Thats where I could see the HSE putting the kibosh on the idea. Insurance issues arise too if someone gets sick from food served, who is to blame, takeaway or publican, etc

Its been going on for weeks, the licence requirements were waved. So long as you pay for food on premises it can come from a kitchen on site or the takeaway next door it doesn't matter.

Getting the local takeaway to deliver food is allowed. My local asked both Gardai and HSE both no issues up and running weeks now.

Plenty of pubs are open across the country with this offering

MOH

seamus wrote: »

Pubs need to tackle this one head on and do what the hairdressers did - build their own set of guidelines, be really restrictive, and present this to the Government and NPHET for approval.

They did that a month ago. And spent money on it. Then were told wait a few weeks. Now this.

Young people are meeting up without pubs, and they're not hating it. We've talked for years in Ireland that we go to the pub because of a lack of alternatives. People are discovering alternatives now that they have to, and tbh they just won't return to the pubs in the same numbers.

If you think young people drinking at home is a new thing, you're way out of touch

Dickie10

yea my local at that last 2 weeks, havent been yet

MOH

joeguevara wrote: »

Absolutely nothing,

You're just spouting nonsense at this point

Donald Trump

hynesie08 wrote: »

And if the pizza was served on a plate it would remove these concerns?

No, that's a very silly conclusion you appear to have arrived at. Why on earth would you think that?

You see, there is a thing called a coronavirus which causes a disease called Covid-19. It is contagious. That means you can catch it from other people. They had this big campaign about washing your hands etc? Were you not aware? Don't touch your face or mouth or nose after touching objects outside your own house etc.

joeguevara

MOH wrote: »

You're just spouting nonsense at this point

The post was in relation to me saying there is absolutely nothing stopping a pub outsourcing their food to another party or preparing frozen pizzas inside. I said absolutely nothing stopping them. What part of that is spouting nonsense?

joeguevara

MOH wrote: »

You're just spouting nonsense at this point

Before you apologise for saying I’m spouting nonsense, I’ll wait for you to explain how I am. For instance if you look at pretty much every post on this page you have posters saying that restaurant certificates arent required atm and arrangements can be made with third parties like local takeaways or Chinese. It’s not like my family are involved in this or anything or my local pub buck mulligans in dun laoghaire is doing it with the Chinese next door.

MOH

joeguevara wrote: »

Before you apologise for saying I’m spouting nonsense, I’ll wait for you to explain how I am. For instance if you look at pretty much every post on this page you have posters saying that restaurant certificates arent required atm and arrangements can be made with third parties like local takeaways or Chinese. It’s not like my family are involved in this or anything or my local pub buck mulligans in dun laoghaire is doing it with the Chinese next door.

Sorry, I'd meant to multiquote your previous post about the four options and which were wrong.

Geuze

Muahahaha wrote: »

yeah I would say thats what will happen. They would still need to apply for and receive a restaurant license though. Its also not sure if they can legally outsource their food safety requirements to a local takeaway. If they're serving burgers and chips they're still responsible for the food being safe. I can see the HSE sticking their oar into pubs who go down this road. The pubs can try it for sure but Id say the HSE are going to have trouble with it.

It is known as a Restaurant Certificate.

AFAIK, it is not required to serve food.

Many pubs serve food, and do not have Restaurant Certificates.



However, this suggests a Restaurant Cert is required:

https://abacuslegal.ie/alcohol-and-licensing-solicitor-dublin/restaurant-certificates/#:~:text=Under%20the%20licensing%20laws%20in,%E2%80%9Crestaurant%E2%80%9D%20under%20the%20Acts.&text=The%20licence%20must%20also%20be%20current.

joeguevara

Geuze wrote: »

It is known as a Restaurant Certificate.

AFAIK, it is not required to serve food.

Many pubs serve food, and do not have Restaurant Certificates.



However, this suggests a Restaurant Cert is required:

https://abacuslegal.ie/alcohol-and-licensing-solicitor-dublin/restaurant-certificates/#:~:text=Under%20the%20licensing%20laws%20in,%E2%80%9Crestaurant%E2%80%9D%20under%20the%20Acts.&text=The%20licence%20must%20also%20be%20current.

In normal circumstances they are but pubs without them have been exempted from them in the current situation.

joeguevara

MOH wrote: »

Sorry, I'd meant to multiquote your previous post about the four options and which were wrong.

Fair enough it didn’t come across like that.

I did say that each were arguable and the sandwich was out. The others if substantial would probably pass. There is no precedent for times like this and non food pubs serving food.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=113853418#post113853418

The poster L1011 seems to know his stuff.

He says Rest Certs are/were never required to serve food.

See the thread link above.

joeguevara

Geuze wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=113853418#post113853418

The poster L1011 seems to know his stuff.

He says Rest Certs are/were never required to serve food.

See the thread link above.

They were required to provide food but currently aren’t, although to be honest I think they forgot to legislate for the nex exemption. Not only are you normally required a certificate which is actually just an addition to your liquor licence renewed annually, if onsite kitchen you require planning permission too. Inspections from an eho will follow, however all of this has been paused during the current situation.

MOH

Donald Trump wrote: »

Whaddabout whaddabout yadda yadda :pac:




Just because some publican down in Clare or wherever posted that kind of shite doesn't make it true or mean it makes any sense.




Stop the yanks too if you want. At least if the pubs are closed, there's less chance of you mixing with them. Also less chance of attracting non-essential travellers over. If there are tourists coming over here in the middle of a pandemic, you can be fairly confident that they aren't the most conscientious (or smart) types............





The only people frothing at the mouth are those who were dreaming about their creamy pints who might have to do without for another couple of weeks.

I presume the mouth frothing publican also hacked the DAA website and put up fake stats? :rolleyes:

Apt username

joeguevara

MOH wrote: »

I presume the mouth frothing publican also hacked the DAA website and put up fake stats? :rolleyes:

Apt username

I was shocked when I read that 46000 tourists from high risk countries arrived in Ireland over 3 weeks.

https://extra.ie/2020/08/01/news/irish-news/red-alert-on-covid-19-as-46000-fly-into-ireland-from-high-risk-countries

Donald Trump

MOH wrote: »

I presume the mouth frothing publican also hacked the DAA website and put up fake stats? :rolleyes:

Apt username

And??? What is your point?


Do you think that because some people flew in from the UK and the US that that makes it safe for a publican down the country to pack everyone into his pub :pac:



Not too strong on the oul' logic there are ya? It's a separate issue.



I can't believe the country is so full of moanbags.

Donald Trump

joeguevara wrote: »

I was shocked when I read that 46000 tourists from high risk countries arrived in Ireland over 3 weeks.

https://extra.ie/2020/08/01/news/irish-news/red-alert-on-covid-19-as-46000-fly-into-ireland-from-high-risk-countries

200-250 people per day coming from US. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-200-to-250-people-arriving-in-ireland-from-us-daily-coveney-1.4303426


Some probably tourists. Some probably returning Irish. Some probably moving over for college or jobs.


The main places that those yanks would be mixing with natives and spreading the virus is probably in the pubs too. They shouldn't be coming in, but it is no reason to decide to eliminate all other precautions.

joeguevara

Donald Trump wrote: »

200-250 people per day coming from US. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-200-to-250-people-arriving-in-ireland-from-us-daily-coveney-1.4303426


Some probably tourists. Some probably returning Irish. Some probably moving over for college or jobs.


The main places that those yanks would be mixing with natives and spreading the virus is probably in the pubs too. They shouldn't be coming in, but it is no reason to decide to eliminate all other precautions.

If you have read my posts on the matter you will see that I completely agree. It appears that others definitely have some sort of belief that if one thing isn’t perfect, all precautions should be stopped.

Another thing I have noticed is that if something was stated previously but is amended due to new evidence, it is disregarded.

PTH2009

in a food pub now last orders

Still feels weird this should be the time when its late bar/night club thinking but no its home/house party (for the youths)

MOH

Donald Trump wrote: »

And??? What is your point?


Do you think that because some people flew in from the UK and the US that that makes it safe for a publican down the country to pack everyone into his pub :pac:



Not too strong on the oul' logic there are ya? It's a separate issue.



I can't believe the country is so full of moanbags.

You obviously haven't looked in the mirror much then.

Typical non-argument:
- Fact you don't like
- Claim it's made up
- Pointed out it's from a reliable source
- Change the topic.

Are you actually Donald? Because you make as much sense as him

Donald Trump

MOH wrote: »

You obviously haven't looked in the mirror much then

I spend most of the day admiring my handsome self in the mirror

joeguevara

PTH2009 wrote: »

in a food pub now last orders

Still feels weird this should be the time when its late bar/night club thinking but no its home/house party (for the youths)

Late bar on a Wednesday? Is it a student town or city centre?

Normal closing time would be 23.30 on a Wednesday. If people are having house parties on a Wednesday, even after pints in the pub, then it shows that the other pubs not opening is probably the correct decision.

weldoninhio

seamus wrote: »

Pubs need to tackle this one head on and do what the hairdressers did - build their own set of guidelines, be really restrictive, and present this to the Government and NPHET for approval.

The biggest risk now is the fact that people are falling out of love with the pubs anyway. People are realising that 3 nights a week down the boozer isn't actually all that great and if they can call into a mate for a few drinks of an evening, that's just as good and a fraction of the price.

Young people are meeting up without pubs, and they're not hating it. We've talked for years in Ireland that we go to the pub because of a lack of alternatives. People are discovering alternatives now that they have to, and tbh they just won't return to the pubs in the same numbers.

Even if the pubs opened tomorrow, a large chunk of people will stay away for safety. And may never return, except for the odd weekend meetup.

The pubs who haven't been able to open under restaurant licences need to start thinking about their own future strategy. Just reopening as a local boozer won't be enough unless you're in a town centre. Within a year pubs are going to be closing en masse.

You’re living in cloud cuckoo land.

Overheal

Santy2015 wrote: »

Hmmm...
https://twitter.com/jennifer_bray/status/1291077019359416320?s=21

As we know the public is very responsible with correctly interpreting highly technical data

Beasty

weldoninhio wrote: »

You’re living in cloud cuckoo land.

If you cannot be civil don't post

dundalkfc10

joeguevara wrote: »

Late bar on a Wednesday? Is it a student town or city centre?

Normal closing time would be 23.30 on a Wednesday. If people are having house parties on a Wednesday, even after pints in the pub, then it shows that the other pubs not opening is probably the correct decision.

You do know people don't all work Monday to Friday?

Midweek nights are the best nights for Pints, you rarely get the drunken eejets out once you stay away from the student places