Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

jaymla627

awaywithyou wrote: »

I prefer Yamaska myself and having watched Monamore sale today where a few yamaskas were sold.. im verry happy wth my choice

Their nicer put together animals alright, but his fertility is very average, he should be minus fertility on ebi by right, as his american figures are after crashing fertility wise

straight

awaywithyou wrote: »

I prefer Yamaska myself and having watched Monamore sale today where a few yamaskas were sold.. im verry happy wth my choice

It's just that Perseus is easy calving and sexed for heifers. I use yamasaka on cows alright.

awaywithyou

https://ihfa.ie/monamore-sale-2020-report/?fbclid=IwAR23jA-auBWRiOaYuAyzx84-6uOQP1ofM50dnAdB9c3TbvIHlhJYRp7Yg8E

7500 for an incalf heifer.. jaysus..

straight

awaywithyou wrote: »

https://ihfa.ie/monamore-sale-2020-report/?fbclid=IwAR23jA-auBWRiOaYuAyzx84-6uOQP1ofM50dnAdB9c3TbvIHlhJYRp7Yg8E

7500 for an incalf heifer.. jaysus..

And not one mention of EBI. Makes a joke of the sales that won't allow you enter your stock if it's under a certain EBI figure.

mahoney_j

straight wrote: »

And not one mention of EBI. Makes a joke of the sales that won't allow you enter your stock if it's under a certain EBI figure.

Ebi is nothing only a number now and picking bulls based on the highest possible ebi should come with a health warning .milk records of back pedigrees is where decisions should be based

Buford T. Justice XIX

Had a zoom course this morning. If you have a zoom meeting, make sure to figure out how to mute your microphone before the meeting starts. We can hear you giving out about the course and making the tae.

That's todays public service announcement. :P

Buford T. Justice XIX

I got a call from the milk recording that I'll be missing the results of a few cows. Apparently the sampling got blocked due to high fats in one sample and it wasn't noticed in time that 11 cows had the same fat and protein levels. It seems to be common this year.

cosatron

awaywithyou wrote: »

https://ihfa.ie/monamore-sale-2020-report/?fbclid=IwAR23jA-auBWRiOaYuAyzx84-6uOQP1ofM50dnAdB9c3TbvIHlhJYRp7Yg8E

7500 for an incalf heifer.. jaysus..

the dam was breed by the leagh herd. that was a good investment for Monamore. Its obscene the amount of money thrown around by these big herds.

Wildsurfer

cosatron wrote: »

the dam was breed by the leagh herd. that was a good investment for Monamore. Its obscene the amount of money thrown around by these big herds.

I often wonder though are these big amounts just going back and forth between the big breeders to raise the profile of their sales. As in one breeder buys off another and the compliment is returned down the line. Just say for the craic I could arrange with a friend to pay me 10K for a heifer, make the headlines, and then happen to have a nice group of heifers for sale soon after that...

straight

Dairy farmers warned to avoid huge debts as profit margins fall

https://m.independent.ie/business/farming/dairy/dairy-farmers-warned-to-avoid-huge-debts-as-profit-margins-fall-39699448.html

cosatron

Wildsurfer wrote: »

I often wonder though are these big amounts just going back and forth between the big breeders to raise the profile of their sales. As in one breeder buys off another and the compliment is returned down the line. Just say for the craic I could arrange with a friend to pay me 10K for a heifer, make the headlines, and then happen to have a nice group of heifers for sale soon after that...

i think so. I was watching the Ardnasalem reduction sale and Tom Kelly of Monamore bought a second lactation cow that he breed and obviously sold as a calf or hiefer to Ardnasalem

GrasstoMilk

straight wrote: »

Dairy farmers warned to avoid huge debts as profit margins fall

https://m.independent.ie/business/farming/dairy/dairy-farmers-warned-to-avoid-huge-debts-as-profit-margins-fall-39699448.html

Vast majority have little to no debt if I'm not mistaken
But 13k a cow is obscene amount of money, it's a good bit of work to get a decent sum of money from banks these days, you wont get it unless your business is capable of it imo

alps

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

I got a call from the milk recording that I'll be missing the results of a few cows. Apparently the sampling got blocked due to high fats in one sample and it wasn't noticed in time that 11 cows had the same fat and protein levels. It seems to be common this year.

There's always a problem with fats in those meters..

Mooooo

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Vast majority have little to no debt if I'm not mistaken
But 13k a cow is obscene amount of money, it's a good bit of work to get a decent sum of money from banks these days, you wont get it unless your business is capable of it imo

Extremes are there in every system, however saying x amount of farms have no debt should not be an excuse to reduce milk price. Processors will have to realise that in order for farms to be sustainable return must be there to take a salary and pay down debt, and will have to factor this in

Buford T. Justice XIX

alps wrote: »

There's always a problem with fats in those meters..

My first time coming across it, alps. We're using DIY since the first year and often recorded at the end of November.

I wouldn't mind but I'm given out to for having low fats in my breeding back from fat quota days:)

jaymla627

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Vast majority have little to no debt if I'm not mistaken
But 13k a cow is obscene amount of money, it's a good bit of work to get a decent sum of money from banks these days, you wont get it unless your business is capable of it imo

Over 20% of farms are running debt levels north of 10k in euros a cow out their at the minute, banks are terrified to move in and repo farms as land values would crash and they would be lucky to recover 40% of debts outstanding, new enviromental regulations coming in is the icing on the cake for alot of guys who simply wont be able to access the required funds to be compliant

mahoney_j

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Vast majority have little to no debt if I'm not mistaken
But 13k a cow is obscene amount of money, it's a good bit of work to get a decent sum of money from banks these days, you wont get it unless your business is capable of it imo

13 k fairly severe alright but in Holland often 30/40 k per cow and they get on with it but a lifetime of debt .we’re still paying thru the nose for debt here in comparasion to European farmers but thankfully we now have milk flex and sbci loans etc

Wildsurfer

jaymla627 wrote: »

Over 20% of farms are running debt levels north of 10k in euros a cow out their at the minute, banks are terrified to move in and repo farms as land values would crash and they would be lucky to recover 40% of debts outstanding, new enviromental regulations coming in is the icing on the cake for alot of guys who simply wont be able to access the required funds to be compliant

Sorry but I just don't see that being a realistic figure at all, where are you pulling those figures from? One in every five farmers owing a million per 100 cows, not a chance. A state of the art conversion wouldn't cost half that. Land purchase might get you to that level alright but there ain't that much land changing hands. Why would banks want to repossess farms, milk price has been stable, what were the repayments for these massive loans based on? And as for environmental regulations, surely if lads have spent 10k a cow there farms must have oodles of storage!

GrasstoMilk

Wildsurfer wrote: »

Sorry but I just don't see that being a realistic figure at all, where are you pulling those figures from? One in every five farmers owing a million per 100 cows, not a chance. A state of the art conversion wouldn't cost half that. Land purchase might get you to that level alright but there ain't that much land changing hands. Why would banks want to repossess farms, milk price has been stable, what were the repayments for these massive loans based on? And as for environmental regulations, surely if lads have spent 10k a cow there farms must have oodles of storage!

Exactly my thoughts

straight

Wildsurfer wrote: »

Sorry but I just don't see that being a realistic figure at all, where are you pulling those figures from? One in every five farmers owing a million per 100 cows, not a chance. A state of the art conversion wouldn't cost half that. Land purchase might get you to that level alright but there ain't that much land changing hands. Why would banks want to repossess farms, milk price has been stable, what were the repayments for these massive loans based on? And as for environmental regulations, surely if lads have spent 10k a cow there farms must have oodles of storage!

Because they are going to have to reduce their huge stocking rates. Slurry storage will be the least of their concern. 500k doesn't take you as far as you would think on a dairy setup now. I worry for some lads that are getting led up the garden path.

Green&Red

jaymla627 wrote: »

Over 20% of farms are running debt levels north of 10k in euros a cow out their at the minute, banks are terrified to move in and repo farms as land values would crash and they would be lucky to recover 40% of debts outstanding, new enviromental regulations coming in is the icing on the cake for alot of guys who simply wont be able to access the required funds to be compliant

I’m going into dairy next spring. Now I owned the land, had enough cubicle space and had stock to overset some of the new stock cost but the debt outside that is €2k/cow

green daries

Wildsurfer wrote: »

Sorry but I just don't see that being a realistic figure at all, where are you pulling those figures from? One in every five farmers owing a million per 100 cows, not a chance. A state of the art conversion wouldn't cost half that. Land purchase might get you to that level alright but there ain't that much land changing hands. Why would banks want to repossess farms, milk price has been stable, what were the repayments for these massive loans based on? And as for environmental regulations, surely if lads have spent 10k a cow there farms must have oodles of storage!

Re read Jay's post again carefully i made the Same mistake as the you the first two times I read it 😅

GrasstoMilk

green daries wrote: »

Re read Jay's post again carefully i made the Same mistake as the you the first two times I read it 😅

I read it a few times, 20% of dairy farms with 10k per cow borrowed and still not compliant is not correct at all
banks here are not lending that much out to farmers, youd get 5k at a push with land purchase but youd want a good business to handle it

awaywithyou

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

I read it a few times, 20% of dairy farms with 10k per cow borrowed and still not compliant is not correct at all
banks here are not lending that much out to farmers, youd get 5k at a push with land purchase but youd want a good business to handle it

I’d say Jay might be referring to the debt levels in New Zealand and not Ireland...

jaymla627

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

I read it a few times, 20% of dairy farms with 10k per cow borrowed and still not compliant is not correct at all
banks here are not lending that much out to farmers, youd get 5k at a push with land purchase but youd want a good business to handle it

I was referring to New Zealand, all figures quoted are from their financial institutions, first line of my original sentence said "out their" and was in reply to your false statement that the vast majority of kiwi dairy farmers had little to zero debt, which was wrong.. .

Mooooo

Anyone having the opposite of the usual problem with milk recording results? BF results coming back a good bit higher than bulk tank results. Samples taken in the morning

straight

Mooooo wrote: »

Anyone having the opposite of the usual problem with milk recording results? BF results coming back a good bit higher than bulk tank results. Samples taken in the morning

My milk recording results are always higher than the bulk tank. Don't trust my Co-Op.

Siamsa Sessions

Green&Red wrote: »

I’m going into dairy next spring. Now I owned the land, had enough cubicle space and had stock to overset some of the new stock cost but the debt outside that is €2k/cow

Similar figure here. I'm aiming to start in Spring 2022 and pricing a lean-to onto existing cubicles for the parlour.

Some stock sorted and a second-hand 8-unit parlour also sourced. Roadways and paddocks in place. Land owned.

Nothing fancy any where but I'm still facing into €1,500-2,000 per cow.

Waffletraktor

straight wrote: »

My milk recording results are always higher than the bulk tank. Don't trust my Co-Op.

Get this with corn the whole time, is there an independent testing service available?

atlantic mist

we are milk recording with years, protein and butterfat always higher with milk recording than coop figure, i was talking to someone in the labs and they told me the machine for testing can vary your result by 0.01% as its not 100% accurate i.e protein of 3.4 could return a result of 3.5 or 3.3....review your last 10 years youl be up some years and down others

glanbia dismiss milk recording results as they only sample for 1 milking, when you take a sample of bulk tank on two day collection thats dismissed as you cant take an even sample like their bulk tanks:) cant win:)