Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Phoebas

Phoebas wrote: »

with 225k people dead from Covid and an economy in tatters with no end in sight.

No dogs from me in this, but short of actual Jesus being in charge, there is no chance any one would have had a different result

Igotadose

Deleted User wrote: »

No dogs from me in this, but short of actual Jesus being in charge, there is no chance any one would have had a different result

Jeebus in charge would have probably been worse, I agree, but any way you cut it, downplaying the illness, encouraging large gatherings and discouraging mask use added to the casualties.

dogbert27

Deleted User wrote: »

No dogs from me in this, but short of actual Jesus being in charge, there is no chance any one would have had a different result

I think someone else in charge would have had a chance of having less numbers.

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

No dogs from me in this, but short of actual Jesus being in charge, there is no chance any one would have had a different result

I'm failing to see the logic behind your statement.

Coronavirus spreads through close contact. If you reduce contact, you reduce spread, you get a different result.

BonnieSituation

serfboard wrote: »

If the Democrats win they should seize all golf courses within city boundaries and turn them into housing.

Making them pay full rates would be a good start. Though tbf, that's already on the purview of cities.

If Los Angeles Country Club had to pay full property taxes...

https://www.laweekly.com/we-should-raise-taxes-on-these-3-things-to-pay-for-healthcare-and-parks/#:~:text=Golf%20courses&text=That%20means%20the%20L.A.%20Country,only%20about%20%24200%2C000%20a%20year.

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It's endemic in the US that the rich don't pay. Hopefully that'll start to change, if slowly l, with a Biden presidency.

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Those new economic numbers are something.

I expect Trump to go gung ho on that today. There's your October surprise.

Justin Credible Darts

makes me laugh how the media can whip people up as if some late breaking news story will alter the outcome.

People are going to vote trump or biden, and have already decided long before today. The rest is just media nonsense to get views, clickbait.

Quin_Dub

Igotadose wrote: »

PR had a referendum on statehood in 2017 that had a tiny turnout. They need to run it again before statehood moves forward. Lots of entrenched supporters of the status quo

The biggest stumbling block in PR is around taxation - They currently don't have to pay any Federal Income taxes , they would if they became a fully fledged State. So not unsurprisingly a lot of people aren't too keen on voting for more taxes.

DC residents already pay federal taxes , so at worst it's no change for them - They could in fact reduce State taxes as a discreet State if they wanted to.

Foxtrol

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

makes me laugh how the media can whip people up as if some late breaking news story will alter the outcome.

People are going to vote trump or biden, and have already decided long before today. The rest is just media nonsense to get views, clickbait.

In some regards it is for views but part of it is the hangover from 2016. It is like the 'not trusting the polls' faction. In 2016 what turned the election was undecides flocking to Trump and a lot of blame is put on it due to the email story Comey caused just before the election.

Everything points to 2020 being different in both polling and the impact of any late story but I can see why there is justification of them discussing both.

dogbert27

dogbert27 wrote: »

I think someone else in charge would have had a chance of having less numbers.

Same as UK, Less than Spain, Belgium, 12% more than Sweden, the model country.

In the last week 28 countries have higher numbers.

Maybe, but there's no way to know.

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe, but there's no way to know.

How about try an alternative President and a new approach to see if cases continue to rise exponentially?

Water John

Biden says the first person he'll call after getting elected is Fauci. Now there's a new approach.

Penn

Water John wrote: »

Biden says the first person he'll call after getting elected is Fauci. Now there's a new approach.

Definitely a different approach than Trump taking control back from the doctors in April, as per Jared Kushner

In the interview conducted April 18 by journalist Bob Woodward, audio of which was released by CNN on Wednesday, Kushner said the United States was moving into the “comeback phase” and that the administration came to a “negotiated settlement” to begin lifting restrictions on economic activity and public life.

“Trump’s now back in charge,” Kushner told Woodward. “It’s not the doctors.”

The interview came shortly after the Trump administration announced guidelines on reopening parts of the country, dubbed “Opening Up America Again.”

“That in my mind was almost like Trump getting the country back from the doctors,” Kushner said.

However, “that doesn’t mean there’s not a whole lot of pain, and won’t be pain for a while,” Trump's son-in-law added.

pixelburp

This is wood for trees stuff here, the measure of Trump's performance is in as much his abilities to lead and set the national example as it is legislation enacted: his consistently awful messaging; outright dangerous speculation about "cures"; constant insistence it would just go away; politically charged denunciations of state leadership; shuttering an actual pandemic unit that might have helped; encouraging various partisan / anti government militias to resist measures... the list goes on. Leadership matters in a crisis, the message given and how it's presented as important as any number of lockdowns or instructions. We take America's outsized, melodramatic politics for granted but sober leadership could have helped suppress the numbers from going too high.

drunkmonkey

Luke O'Neill was on about Regeneron this morning, seemingly the trials are very successful. Trump is correct it's a good treatment. It's certainly not dangerous for him to suggest it.

Graham

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Luke O'Neill was on about Regeneron this morning, seemingly the trials are very successful. Trump is correct it's a good treatment. It's certainly not dangerous for him to suggest it.

It's certainly a more sensible approach than bleach so credit for that.

Along with the relaxed approach to masks and social distancing, you can understand how such mixed messages might not have helped.

I'd go as far as saying it's one of the major reasons Trump's polling is where it is.

Water John

Regeneron is effective when given early to patients with mild to moderate Covid. Don't think it has any effect on severe cases.

drunkmonkey

Water John wrote: »

Regeneron is effective when given early to patients with mild to moderate Covid. Don't think it has any effect on severe cases.

Unless I misheard it this morning it does even better on severe cases, it was 70%+ positive I think Luke said.

dogbert27

Deleted User wrote: »

Same as UK, Less than Spain, Belgium, 12% more than Sweden, the model country.

In the last week 28 countries have higher numbers.

Maybe, but there's no way to know.

Gotcha. You're in the "we're lower than the world" camp

valoren

abff wrote: »

I’ve just read that Jack Nicklaus has endorsed Trump. I don’t think that will necessarily influence anyone to vote, but it certainly destroys any respect I had for Nicklaus.

Fore more years! That he felt the need to provide an explanation is telling. Nicklaus a dedicated GOP donor ? Voting Republican? Voting for Trump with whom he has a working relationship with in Golf circles? What a shock.

Why the embarrassing guff about loving the country? Delivering on promises? Socialism bad? Why the ringing endorsement? I guess your charity getting $20 million towards a hospital might have something to do with Nicklaus, a dyed in the wool Republican, raising his head above the parapet. Seems like a quid pro quo and he owes Trump a favor with a public endorsement particularly in a swing state such as Florida where Nicklaus resides.

Quin_Dub

Deleted User wrote: »

Same as UK, Less than Spain, Belgium, 12% more than Sweden, the model country.

In the last week 28 countries have higher numbers.

Maybe, but there's no way to know.

Fundamentally - No country has done a perfect job on the Virus really.

Pretty much all of them have made mistakes of varying degrees that have made things worse to some extent or other.

However , with a very few notable exceptions all have shown that they take the virus seriously.

All of them have said and continue to say "This is really serious" , "This is a huge threat" , "we all need to pull together" or statements of a similar nature. They have also lead by example.

Trump however , barring a very short timeframe back in March has constantly tried to minimise the issues and frankly has flat out lied about the reality of the situation as evidence by the Woodward tapes.

"It's kinda like flu" , "It'll go away in April when it warms up" . "It'll be gone by Easter" , "It'll disappear like Magic" "We're turning the corner" etc. etc. etc.

It's his rhetoric more than anything else that has done him the damage.

Foxtrol

Deleted User wrote: »

Same as UK, Less than Spain, Belgium, 12% more than Sweden, the model country.

In the last week 28 countries have higher numbers.

Maybe, but there's no way to know.

The US is now into its 3rd wave, when most other places are on their 2nd.

The main reason why the numbers in the US aren't higher is that Democrat governors (and to be fair a few responsible GOP ones) are ignoring what Trump is calling for. Those Dem states are seeing relatively low rates while those GOP led states that are following Trump's guidance are in terrible situations.

Itssoeasy

I’m late to the tucker Carlson story about sending supposedly important documents through the mail and also not sending a copy and not the originals. What kind of keystone cop outfit are they running here ?

VinLieger

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I’m late to the tucker Carlson story about sending supposedly important documents through the mail and also not sending a copy and not the originals. What kind of keystone cop outfit are they running here ?

I believe the term is "Stupid Watergate"

duploelabs

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I’m late to the tucker Carlson story about sending supposedly important documents through the mail and also not sending a copy and not the originals. What kind of keystone cop outfit are they running here ?

'The dog ate it' is the level they're operating at, unfortunately some still operate in a social system where that excuse is legitimate

banie01

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I’m late to the tucker Carlson story about sending supposedly important documents through the mail and also not sending a copy and not the originals. What kind of keystone cop outfit are they running here ?

Can't prove its faked and probably Russian created BS, if those pesky guys at UPS "lose" the "evidence"

It's better for them to be able to spin the "oh no, Dems somehow stole and buried the evidence line" rather than have the drive actually forensically examined and be put in the spotlight as gullible dopes.

salmocab

banie01 wrote: »

Can't prove its faked and probably Russian created BS, if those pesky guys at UPS "lose" the "evidence"

It's better for them to be able to spin the "oh no, Dems somehow stole and buried the evidence line" rather than have the drive actually forensically examined and be put in the spotlight as gullible dopes.

Maybe in a similar set of a unlikely set of circumstances as we heard about last week these were placed in the care of a delivery man who is a left wing nut job and suspected what was in the package. It could happen so did!

looksee

Apparently they turned up. Or something.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ups-said-found-lost-tucker-carlson-documents-sending-back-2020-10?r=US&IR=T

Graham

Graham wrote: »

How about try an alternative President and a new approach to see if cases continue to rise exponentially?

Except there's now a year of knowledge that wasn't before. I agree its a colossus of mess and bad handles, but hindsite is nice for the new guy

salmocab

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Except there's now a year of knowledge that wasn't before. I agree its a colossus of mess and bad handles, but hindsite is nice for the new guy

Well the new guy will certainly be able to see what not to do.
He handled it monumentally bad and people died because of it.

Foxtrol

Deleted User wrote: »

Except there's now a year of knowledge that wasn't before. I agree its a colossus of mess and bad handles, but hindsite is nice for the new guy

Trump had hindsight for the last 6 months but has refused to take anything on board.

NYC was incredibly hard hit early in the pandemic and through learning from mistakes and following the latest science they have since kept cases extremely low.

Rather than following their model Trump has done the opposite, pushing for the rush back to normal life and this continues to lead to cases rising in states that listen to him.