Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Leroy42

Danno wrote: »

Well, Trump is all for keeping the economy open, unless you're living under a rock?

Why don't you compare US numbers against SK or NZ? SK, 55 million and 500 deaths. That is what is possible. Like everything, Trump looks to compare against the worst. Its the classic "but Johnny failed his test too, mammy" response of a child.

And even worse, he has no plans to even try to stop it. Meadows admitted today they aren't even trying. Hoping for a vaccine. That's it. Until then, if then, people will just die. It is what it is.

Midlife

Danno wrote: »

Cause they test waaay more than Ireland to discover cases (310k per million V 402k per million)
Secondly, they have a waay older population demographic susceptible to this virus Vis-a-Vis when compared to Ireland.

It's not really that hard to work out if you try.

It's not really that hard to come to a conclusion of you've pre determined your conclusion you mean.

Look at the population pyramids for both countries.

Are you saying that the US has double the proportion of seniors we do and hence double the deaths? That makes no sense as they don't at all. Then someone said double the cases, you pointed to a 33% increase in tests.

Additionally they had a much larger lead time in to the first wave which they didn't really deal with.

We didn't do great but you're a fool, an absolute fool if you think Trump couldn't have helped the country to collectively do better by working on flattening the curve before the second wave.

Danno

Danno wrote: »

Well, Trump is all for keeping the economy open, unless you're living under a rock?

How many people do you think he's willing to let die for the sake of the economy?

Detritus70

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How many people do you think he's willing to let die for the sake of the economy?

So far 220000 seems to be an acceptable number.
At least to people who don't live in the US, couldn't care less and certainly should know better, but it's just edgy to post like a 13 year old.
I'm sure this particular poster is selflessly willing to sacrifice many more hundreds of thousands of lives, as long as he's alright.

banie01

Leroy42 wrote: »

Today, Meadows articulated what the plan actually is. Herd immunity. They have given up trying to stop the spread, the only plan is to try to limit the number of deaths.

Thats it. That is the plan.

They don't believe in masks, they don't believe they can do much to stop it spreading.

The people can die, or become seriously ill, is a price worth paying.

Herd immunity is a strategy that only works when a sufficient portion of the population is actually vaccinated and immune. Usually 60% +.

Pursuing such a policy without a vaccine, and without even an approved candidate vaccine.
Is mass murder!

In fact, given that the virus' death and incapacity rate is far higher in people of colour than in whites?
It's an act of racist genocide.

sydthebeat

banie01 wrote: »

Herd immunity is a strategy that only works when a sufficient portion of the population is actually vaccinated and immune. Usually 60% +.

Pursuing such a policy without a vaccine, and without even an approved candidate vaccine.
Is mass murder!

In fact, given that the virus' death and incapacity rate is far higher in people of colour than in whites?
It's an act of racist genocide.

And in a country so divided and in a racial war with itself.... There's a sizeable population that are happy with that scenario

PropJoe10

What Trump and his White House is doing could easily amount to criminal negligence. Meadows has basically admitted that they've completely given up on the virus now. Let it spread like wildfire and hope someone comes up with a cure. Remarkable times.

duploelabs

banie01 wrote: »

Herd immunity is a strategy that only works when a sufficient portion of the population is actually vaccinated and immune. Usually 60% +.

Pursuing such a policy without a vaccine, and without even an approved candidate vaccine.
Is mass murder!

In fact, given that the virus' death and incapacity rate is far higher in people of colour than in whites?
It's an act of racist genocide.

It also relies on a lasting post-infection immunity, however there already have been reports of people getting secondary infections after recovering from the primary one in as little as 6 - 8 weeks.

banie01

duploelabs wrote: »

It also relies on a lasting post-infection immunity, however there already have been reports of people getting secondary infections after recovering from the primary one in as little as 6 - 8 weeks.

True.
The best candidate vaccines currently are all multidose and even at that antibody function and longevity is an issue.

More and more medically evidenced cases of secondary reinfection rather than dormancy would point towards a possibility of no real long term immunity alá other Corona virus such as 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1 all of which can be caught and recaught.

duploelabs

banie01 wrote: »

True.
The best candidate vaccines currently are all multidose and even at that antibody function and longevity is an issue.

More and more medically evidenced cases of secondary reinfection rather than dormancy would point towards a possibility of no real long term immunity alá other Corona virus such as 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1 all of which can be caught and recaught.

Or a simpler analogy of why we have an annual updated flu vaccine

banie01

duploelabs wrote: »

Or a simpler analogy of why we have an annual updated flu vaccine

And why we still have no cure for the common cold

Water John

We have annual flu vaccines because it is usually a different virus each year or at least a mutation of the last year's. Corona virus is diff. Between the % willing to take it and its efficacy, then even with it working on those that respond to it, it's unlikely to confer herd immunity.
BTW would each recipient require an antibody test afterwards to know if the vaccine worked for you?

fullstop

Danno wrote: »

Cause they test waaay more than Ireland to discover cases (310k per million V 402k per million)
Secondly, they have a waay older population demographic susceptible to this virus Vis-a-Vis when compared to Ireland.

It's not really that hard to work out if you try.

I already said in my post that they’re testing at about 1.25 times our rate (or waay more in your words).

So why are their cases, and death, both waaaaaaaay higher than ours? I’m sure it’s not really that hard to work out if you try.

What is your point about susceptibility, do you mean contracting the virus or dying from it? Would be interested to see something to back it up either way.

Nice to see drunkmonkey hiding behind the thanks button btw, because he’s not able to answer the questions posed to him. Haven’t seen that tactic before...

drunkmonkey

fullstop wrote: »

Nice to see drunkmonkey hiding behind the thanks button btw, because he’s not able to answer the questions posed to him. Haven’t seen that tactic before...

Hiding like Biden, hardly.:rolleyes:

What is it you need to know?

EltonJohn69

Biden thinking George Bush is President is very concerning

Phoebas

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Biden thinking George Bush is President is very concerning

Mistaking Trump for an actual President is a problem alright.

pixelburp

Trump has truly been Schrödinger's President with some narratives: simultaneously this Big Tough Guy who'll drain swamps and make deals - ignoring interview strops and ACA repeal failures mind - yet also powerless during something demonstrably federal like CoVid, in the face of State responses.

robinph

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Biden thinking George Bush is President is very concerning

Biden was introduced as Mr Vice President during the debates. Unless there is another George Bush around then calling him president is the correct title.

pixelburp

robinph wrote: »

Biden was introduced as Mr Vice President during the debates. Unless there is another George Bush around then calling him president is the correct title.

Yeah, what's the context here? Cos in American politics past presidents are still referred to by their title, even after leaving the office. If that was what Biden did re. Bush then it was right and proper. So anyone looking forward to the day nobody speaks of "president Trump"? I'm afraid that'll never happen 'cos he shall always and forever remain thus. Not sure there'll be too many libraries named for him mind you

Phoebas

Biden was referring to Trump and stumbled over his name.
Not great.
I've done similar with family members including my own kids (for clarity - I haven't mistaken them for former Presidents).

Trump, being Trump of course, thinks this is worthy of him bringing up on Twitter in the dying days of an election campaign with 225k people dead from Covid and an economy in tatters with no end in sight.

drunkmonkey

Phoebas wrote: »

Biden was referring to Trump and stumbled over his name.

He said 4 more years of George, ah George ee-i-ee-i-o, Trump.

Timberrrrrrrr

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Biden thinking George Bush is President is very concerning

Why? Have you seen how many times Trump has got peoples names wrong? People who are sitting right next to him? Is this also "very concerning " to you?

Faugheen

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Biden thinking George Bush is President is very concerning

Trump thinks his own House Minority Leader’s name is Steve.

EltonJohn69

So many Americans think Biden is rapidly declining, this error is very badly timed. As for Trump he seems untouchable from the consequences of his mistakes.

Graham

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

So many Americans think Biden is rapidly declining

coincidentally, all of them rabid Trump supporters.

The response from the rest of the population:

meh

EltonJohn69

Graham wrote: »

coincidentally, all of them rabid Trump supporters.

The response from the rest of the population:

meh

I think it is a widely held belief. Just watch his debate performances.

Phoebas

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

So many Americans think Biden is rapidly declining, this error is very badly timed. As for Trump he seems untouchable from the consequences of his mistakes.

Do they?

Biden is a bit gaffe prone and the way he deals with his stutter can sometimes come across as him being a bit slow in his delivery, but this cognitive decline thing was mainly being propagated by the Trump campaign and was utterly debunked in the first debate.

Given the poor choice of someone whose mental acuity is in question and someone who has demonstrated deep narcissistic and sociopathic disorders over the past 4 years, I know who I'd choose.

abff

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

I think it is a widely held belief. Just watch his debate performances.

Yes, widely held by Trump supporters and is among an almost endless list of lies and exaggerations that they are continually trotting out in increasing desperation as the election date looms closer.

pixelburp

A week before election and this isn't any sort of news. People will have made up their minds about Bidens cognitive health, rightly or wrongly, based on science or the prickling of thumbs. Confirmation biases n' all. Against a more coherent, intelligent Republican it might have even been relevent to the debate. But at this stage this is, to use a phrase from the dawn of the Trump Era, a nothingburger.

Graham

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

I think it is a widely held belief. Just watch his debate performances.

I can see the polls for Biden have absolutely tanked as a result.

Oh

No they haven't.