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Leo says the Civil Service is 'very white'

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    #812
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,281 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    There's lots of people of colour from EU countries btw and


    I wonder is this how there are Turkish barbers shops here?

    I often wondered how they are in the country.

    Maybe they are German?

    But why would a German-based Turk emigrate to here?


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    #813
    Hotblack Desiato
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    reg114 wrote: »
    so using the CSO figure above and extrapolating it across the civil service would equate to 300 people of colour in the civil service

    No, it would be 3000
    The statement by Leo is unhelpful in that its would simply not be possible to increase numbers of people of colour in the civil service to 10 / 25 or 35 % given the very low numbers of that ethnic group living here.

    Nobody apart from far-right sh!t-stirrers is suggesting anything of the sort, so where are you getting those figures from?

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #814
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,510 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Why? What's wrong with a campaign that entices ethnic minorities to become public servants and stakeholders in society?

    People in this country need to look at what has happened in the US and the UK where the Far Right have got a hold of the agenda and they've ended up with a pair of useless arseholes leading their governments. Be careful what you wish for in this country is what I would say to people being swayed by the nonsense from Alt Right and Far Right gobshítes.

    No far right here and we still have useless aresholes leading the Government.

    How do you explain that?


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    #815
    Bobblehats
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    Geuze wrote: »
    I wonder is this how there are Turkish barbers shops here?

    I often wondered how they are in the country.

    Maybe they are German?

    But why would a German-based Turk emigrate to here?


    Yes amongst those i’ve noticed any number of specialist barber shops catering for more eh, coarse hair types


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    #816
    Mr. Karate
    Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    No far right here and we still have useless aresholes leading the Government.

    How do you explain that?

    You'd need a Right wing before you can have a far right. The so called Centre-Right parties have completely veered Left.


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    #817
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    No far right here and we still have useless aresholes leading the Government.

    How do you explain that?

    The Far Right here are all on this thread I reckon.

    I’m no fan of Varadker, I think he talks a lot but gets feck all actually done but you’re hardly saying he’s as useless or incompetent as Trump or Johnson?

    Obviously if you’re a Trump fanboy you’ll disagree, are you a Trump fanboy Galway guy?


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    #818
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    You'd need a Right wing before you can have a far right. The so called Centre-Right parties have completely veered Left.

    LOL. Absolutely crazy stuff on here at times.


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    #819
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    lainey_d_123 wrote: »
    Why is it needed? Where is the evidence that ethnic minority Irish people are NOT becoming public servants because of their skin colour? The person with the most important job in the country is from an ethnic minority, so where's all this racism and discrimination?

    The problems in the US and the UK (to some extent) don't really apply in Ireland. There are a tiny handful of non-white Irish people, in the context of the entire population, and I'm not convinced they are anywhere near as socially and economically disadvantaged as their counterparts in America.

    One of my college friends is mixed race, one of those Irish people from ethnic minorities - Irish mam, black Brazilian dad, Portuguese last name. Grew up pretty well off, travelling the world and went to private school and Trinity. Am I really supposed to believe that we should be focusing on making life better for people like her rather than the tens of thousands of underprivileged white Irish kids from households where entire generations have been on the dole and they are dismissed as having 'notions' if they express an interest in politics or anything that isn't a working class job?

    Why is it needed? Because people from ethnic minorities perhaps don’t feel that they’re included in certain areas of society. Encouraging them to sign up to the public services and become part of the fabric of the state promotes social inclusion and social cohesion. They become stakeholders in the state and it becomes in their best interests to encourage their young people to be law abiding citizens and contributors to the state and the betterment of society.

    Do I really need to spell all that out for you?


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    #820
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    The Far Right here are all on this thread I reckon.


    Obviously if you’re a Trump fanboy you’ll disagree, are you a Trump fanboy Galway guy?
    TheCitizen wrote: »
    LOL. Absolutely crazy stuff on here at times.
    TheCitizen wrote: »

    Do I really need to spell all that out for you?
    Last 3 posts.
    You are not a pleasant person, are you. (Note: no question mark).


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    #821
    southstar
    Registered Users Posts: 465 ✭✭southstar


    tayto lover wrote: »
    There are no direct flights between Ireland and Africa.
    Methinks they are only here for the richer pickings of a Social Welfare system.
    Many living around my area speak with English accents so I believe they spent a lot of time there before fleeing from a war torn England.


    Maybe they're English...just saying like


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    #822
    southstar
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    lainey_d_123 wrote: »
    Why is it needed? Where is the evidence that ethnic minority Irish people are NOT becoming public servants because of their skin colour? The person with the most important job in the country is from an ethnic minority, so where's all this racism and discrimination?

    The problems in the US and the UK (to some extent) don't really apply in Ireland. There are a tiny handful of non-white Irish people, in the context of the entire population, and I'm not convinced they are anywhere near as socially and economically disadvantaged as their counterparts in America.

    One of my college friends is mixed race, one of those Irish people from ethnic minorities - Irish mam, black Brazilian dad, Portuguese last name. Grew up pretty well off, travelling the world and went to private school and Trinity. Am I really supposed to believe that we should be focusing on making life better for people like her rather than the tens of thousands of underprivileged white Irish kids from households where entire generations have been on the dole and they are dismissed as having 'notions' if they express an interest in politics or anything that isn't a working class job?

    Sorry to break the news..if entire households/generations have been on the dole then I suggest they get off their hole and stop expecting people to listen to their bull****...nothing to do with having notions..
    .. .applies to all races by the way


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    #823
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Last 3 posts.
    You are not a pleasant person, are you. (Note: no question mark).

    A “pleasant” person? In a thread full of shrill alarmist alt right influenced rhetoric you’re accusing me of being unpleasant LOL.

    No I don’t tend to be pleasant to people who indulge in divisive xenophobic comments in the stupid and false belief that their lot is improved by alienating others.


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    #824
    fin12
    Registered Users Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    A “pleasant” person? In a thread full of shrill alarmist alt right influenced rhetoric you’re accusing me of being unpleasant LOL.

    No I don’t tend to be pleasant to people who indulge in divisive xenophobic comments in the stupid and false belief that their lot is improved by alienating others.

    Ur doing exactly the same thing.


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    #825
    lainey_d_123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭lainey_d_123


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Why is it needed? Because people from ethnic minorities perhaps don’t feel that they’re included in certain areas of society. Encouraging them to sign up to the public services and become part of the fabric of the state promotes social inclusion and social cohesion. They become stakeholders in the state and it becomes in their best interests to encourage their young people to be law abiding citizens and contributors to the state and the betterment of society.

    Do I really need to spell all that out for you?

    What is stopping them from just applying? Are you telling me you think Irish people from ethnic minorities don't feel they can apply for those roles? Where is the evidence for this? Has there even been a survey done?
    southstar wrote: »
    Sorry to break the news..if entire households/generations have been on the dole then I suggest they get off their hole and stop expecting people to listen to their bull****...nothing to do with having notions..
    .. .applies to all races by the way

    Easier said than done, though, isn't it? There's far more chance in Ireland of a white child who grew up in a non-working family feeling like education and well paid jobs aren't for them than a child who happens to have a black dad.


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    #826
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    fin12 wrote: »
    Ur doing exactly the same thing.

    No I’m not


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    #827
    TheCitizen
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    lainey_d_123 wrote: »
    What is stopping them from just applying? Are you telling me you think Irish people from ethnic minorities don't feel they can apply for those roles? Where is the evidence for this? Has there even been a survey done?
    .

    They’re encouraging them to apply, and that’s literally all theyre doing. Probably something like an ad campaign with a black fella in a Garda uniform for example and a slogan under it, that’s probably the height of this campaign they’re referring to. You’d swear they were sacking public servants and replacing them with ethnic minority people the way you and others here are going on.


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    #828
    Hotblack Desiato
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    I know, it's a ridiculous load of nonsense being stirred up by the usual suspects and for the very obvious reason.
    You'd swear we didn't have laws preventing racial discrimination in employment or anything...

    Years ago women were often reluctant to apply for promotion posts in the public sector, specific initiatives such as mentoring were brought in to overcome this. But all you can do is encourage people to apply - once someone is in the application or promotion process, they have to be treated the same as anyone else.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #829
    [Deleted User]
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    TheCitizen wrote: »
    They’re encouraging them to apply, and that’s literally all their doing. Probably something like an ad campaign with a black fella in a Garda uniform for example and a slogan under it, that’s probably the height of this campaign they’re referring to. You’d swear they were sacking public servants and replacing them with ethnic minority people the way you and others here are going on.

    Because we can see what happens next.

    If some minorities enter the service, there will be claims that there's not enough of them at higher positions, so they will be favored in getting higher positions, thereby discriminating against the natives who are also seeking those positions.

    And if not enough of these minorities apply & gain acceptance into the service, then quotas will be introduced to ensure that they are represented, probably with a lowering in the requirements to ensure that numbers be increased. Also resulting in discrimination.

    It's an ignorant move because there are no current barriers to minorities to gain such positions, should they wish to apply, and compete on the same level as the majority. People are annoyed because they know that the next steps will be to stack the deck in favor of minorities to ensure that the image of diversity and multiculturalism isn't tarnished.

    The funny thing is that you go nuts about posters here exaggerating, but your own posts are full of it. Double standards seems to be the norm for people with your kind of posting habits. :rolleyes:


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    #830
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,358 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    You're for the watching. I'm here to call you and the others out and I'll do it time and again.

    Hey-hey ho-ho, upsetting opinions for quantomino.


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    #831
    southstar
    Registered Users Posts: 465 ✭✭southstar


    lainey_d_123 wrote: »
    What is stopping them from just applying? Are you telling me you think Irish people from ethnic minorities don't feel they can apply for those roles? Where is the evidence for this? Has there even been a survey done?



    Easier said than done, though, isn't it? There's far more chance in Ireland of a white child who grew up in a non-working family feeling like education and well paid jobs aren't for them than a child who happens to have a black dad.


    Of course they might feel like that...because their parents . .if there are two...dont give a ****e...same for half those clowns rioing in US and UK...nothing to do with race particularly.By the way how would a black child in Ireland have it easier than a white child....just read over most of the posts on this thread ffs


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    #832
    CrabRevolution
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    TheCitizen wrote: »
    They're not doing quotas is the point.
    They're not doing quotas for now. Within a few years we'll be told that we're not doing enough and need quotas to hire more black people in the civil service. Or if the numbers do go up we'll get "X% of the public service is black yet only y% of upper management is black. This is racism and we need quotas to address it."


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    #833
    JPCN1
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    Would of thought that Leo would have learned from the fact that Mary Mitchell O'Connor lost her seat after the women only professorships malarky. Leo seems to be trying to court folk who will never vote for him or FG.


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    #834
    fin12
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    TheCitizen wrote: »
    No I’m not

    Yes u are.


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    #835
    fin12
    Registered Users Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    I’m not going to say where in the country, but I was in a Garda station and there was a polish Garda and honestly his grasp of English was very poor, I actually had to explain what needed to be done with the forms I needed to fill out. Also there was a queue and this polish guard let a person walk off the street and skip the queue to sign the book and before people jump down my throat,he was polish or eastern Europe’s because they exchanged words in polish/ eastern Europe’s language. So we all know why someone is signing a book, he has no right to allow this person to jump the queue. With his poor grasp of English I’m not sure how he passed all the stages to become a Garda especially the aptitude exams so can only wonder was his application passed through based on this quota thing.


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    #836
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,358 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    fin12 wrote: »
    Ur doing exactly the same thing.
    TheCitizen wrote: »
    No I’m not

    . . . . . . . .
    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Far Left Fine Gael and ‘Finne Fail”. LOL. This thread has really revealed the extent of lunacy that has taken hold of this place
    TheCitizen wrote: »
    The alt right activists have more or less commandeered this site. It’s more or less an alt right echo chamber now with calls for support for the raving loony Nationalist Party and Identity Ireland above.

    It is scary that if some Johnson or Trump like piece of dung came on the political scene in Ireland and replicated the politics of division that has lead them to power, that mistakes that the British and US electorates made would not be learned from with the likes of the alt right fanboys on here. We can only hope that they don’t gain traction in the real world of Irish politics.
    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Yep you’ve taken over. Far Right Alt Right lunacy. The sort of bullshít that ended up with scum like Trump and Johnson as Premiers.

    You won’t be happy until we have similar divisive arseholes pitting groups against one another for personal political gain in this country.

    Raving about feminists etc., and you’re saying my posts are nutty LOL.
    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Yep, I interrupted you ranting about feminists there. Back to your echo chamber where you swap likes with the rest of the alt right lot that are stinking this place out of it.
    TheCitizen wrote: »
    What points are you talking about, he (the poster you’re rushing in to defend there) wasn’t making any points. He was ranting about feminists and conspiracy theorising about other groups that he doesn’t like because he’s an arch conservative turning to the alt right because he thinks the regular conservatives have become compromised. Classic alt right gibberish and it’s no surprise that you’re seeing calls for support for The National Party and other such loons on here.
    TheCitizen wrote: »
    LOL. Mention of the funny farm, not without irony. The lunatics have taken over the asylum with alt right favourites like Trump getting to be President, they’ve taken over on this thread by the looks of it but hopefully enough people will see through it in the real world in this country to put a stop to it. The thread reeks of it.
    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Nah, I get what you’re at. You make a charge and when you’re met with opposition you row back into a more reasonable position while sticking in a few personal jibes. When you get back into full flow you show your true colours again. At this stage the original point of discussion in the thread has been totally lost and swamped with alt right type opinion.

    This rather vague aspirational comment has been met on this thread by calls to dispense with the welfare state, to shut the borders due to dubious claims that immigrants are coming here to raid our social welfare, posters like you claiming immigrants are now coming here expecting “to be looked after”, then onto calls for votes for loons like The National Party. That’s what’s been happening on this thread and I get accused of being on the “funny farm” for referring to it. LOL.

    The thread speaks for itself but hopefully only for itself and such alt right type gibberish will hopefully have little traction going forward in the real Irish political landscape.
    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Why would I give up my job, what are you blathering about? I’m talking about the ridiculous alt right type ott response on this to a very mild aspirational comment about inclusion etc from Leo Varadker. Crazy, howling at the moon, jumping to conclusions, alarmist, alt right type bollocksology and gibberish.
    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Amazing, barefaced naked racism on show here now.

    There’s nothing at all wrong with the government targeting increasing the numbers of ethnic minorities in the public services. It makes them stakeholders in society and helps with social inclusion and cohesion. They’re not talking about quotas but on here this policy of inclusion and cohesion is painted as promoting ethnic minorities to the detriment of indigenous white people. This is bullshít, utter utter bullshít and it’s indicative of the sickening racist agenda that’s behind the unrepresentative alt right (in this country) that are the driving force of the guff spattered all over this thread.

    The agenda is pushed on here that immigration can’t be discussed. Again more nonsense, immigration can be discussed so long as it’s in an adult, and informed way. That’s not what we’re getting on here though. This place has become a cesspitt of racism and the sort of alt right bollocksology that lead to Trump and Johnson becoming Premiers.
    TheCitizen wrote: »
    In the UK Brexit has unleashed a lurch to the Far Right and to the jingoism that has lead to the environment where that a useless opportunistic Trump wanabee bollocks like Johnson gets to be Prime Minister. The Alt Right lot that stink this thread out of it want something like him or Trump in Ireland.
    TheCitizen wrote: »

    People in this country need to look at what has happened in the US and the UK where the Far Right have got a hold of the agenda and they've ended up with a pair of useless arseholes leading their governments. Be careful what you wish for in this country is what I would say to people being swayed by the nonsense from Alt Right and Far Right gobshítes.
    TheCitizen wrote: »
    The Far Right here are all on this thread I reckon.

    Obviously if you’re a Trump fanboy you’ll disagree, are you a Trump fanboy Galway guy?
    TheCitizen wrote: »
    LOL. Absolutely crazy stuff on here at times.
    TheCitizen wrote: »
    A “pleasant” person? In a thread full of shrill alarmist alt right influenced rhetoric you’re accusing me of being unpleasant LOL.

    No I don’t tend to be pleasant to people who indulge in divisive xenophobic comments in the stupid and false belief that their lot is improved by alienating others.


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    #837
    TheCitizen
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Because we can see what happens next.

    If some minorities enter the service, there will be claims that there's not enough of them at higher positions, so they will be favored in getting higher positions, thereby discriminating against the natives who are also seeking those positions.

    And if not enough of these minorities apply & gain acceptance into the service, then quotas will be introduced to ensure that they are represented, probably with a lowering in the requirements to ensure that numbers be increased. Also resulting in discrimination.

    It's an ignorant move because there are no current barriers to minorities to gain such positions, should they wish to apply, and compete on the same level as the majority. People are annoyed because they know that the next steps will be to stack the deck in favor of minorities to ensure that the image of diversity and multiculturalism isn't tarnished.

    The funny thing is that you go nuts about posters here exaggerating, but your own posts are full of it. Double standards seems to be the norm for people with your kind of posting habits. :rolleyes:

    It appears You really have a hard time between distinguishing what you “think” will happen next from what will actually happen next. It’s More likely of course that you’re deliberately conflating your opinion of what happens next with the reality of what may happen next. Any excuse to vent your spleen.


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    #838
    TheCitizen
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    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
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    How is any of that “the same thing” as you put it?


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    #839
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    fin12 wrote: »
    Yes u are.

    LOL Nope


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    #840
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    fin12 wrote: »
    I’m not going to say where in the country, but I was in a Garda station and there was a polish Garda and honestly his grasp of English was very poor, I actually had to explain what needed to be done with the forms I needed to fill out. Also there was a queue and this polish guard let a person walk off the street and skip the queue to sign the book and before people jump down my throat,he was polish or eastern Europe’s because they exchanged words in polish/ eastern Europe’s language. So we all know why someone is signing a book, he has no right to allow this person to jump the queue. With his poor grasp of English I’m not sure how he passed all the stages to become a Garda especially the aptitude exams so can only wonder was his application passed through based on this quota thing.
    There is no “quota thing”


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    #841
    jay0109
    Registered Users Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭jay0109


    Leo is a spoofer and is only interested in spin and appearing PC....the big UN job is one long interview!
    There is zero substance to the man. He talks about quotas for minorities in the Civil Service, at a time when the whole country has just pulled together during a huge crisis, but when it comes to actually doing something that would impact his life and those people directly around him, the real Leo appears :

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/im-not-in-a-position-to-give-guarantees-varadkar-wont-commit-to-gender-balance-of-fg-ministers-39290381.html
    TAOISEACH Leo Varadkar has declined to commit to ensuring that half of the Fine Gael ministers in the next Cabinet will be women...
    ...In a sign that long-serving Fine Gael members of cabinet are at risk, he said the “need for generational change” will inform his thinking as well as ability, gender and geographical balance.
    Quotas matter until they don't.

    The last few days have again shown Leo up for the charlatan that he is


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