Leo says the Civil Service is 'very white'

Rockbeast2

DeanAustin wrote: »

What your post literally says is that all black people are being brainwashed to believe that if things don't go their way, they should blame Whitey. Read it again. That's what it says. There was no qualifier put in there.

That's racist.

LOL

Where did I say "all"? You're inserting a word here to suit your own your own narrative.

You're full of it.

DeanAustin

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

LOL

Where did I say "all"? You're inserting a word here to suit your own your own narrative.

You're full of it.

You said:

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

You have to remember that black people are being brainwashed from a young age that when anything in life doesn't go their way, it's Whitey's fault.

Not sure how else it could be interpreted other than you mean all black people. If that's not the case, you could clarify because I'm sure if you read it back, you'd have to agree that's how it comes across.

Rockbeast2

cnocbui wrote: »

Are you an employer, or is this hypothetical?

LOL

I think you are wilfully missing my point. Nobody can actually be that blind.

Rockbeast2

DeanAustin wrote: »

You said:



Not sure how else it could be interpreted other than you mean all black people. If that's not the case, you could clarify because I'm sure if you read it back, you'd have to agree that's how it comes across.

Nah, you're projecting, seeing what you want to see.

Now if I'm going for drinks tonight, does that mean I am going for every drink on the planet? LOL

SouthWesterly

Chicoso wrote: »

Race

That contravenes the equality act.

Wonder who'll challenge that one?

DeanAustin

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

Nah, you're projecting, seeing what you want to see.

Now if I'm going for drinks tonight, does that mean I am going for every drink on the planet? LOL

You're reaching a bit now. That's how other posters have read it. That's how I read it. I've no wish to project anything either. It's either a racist post or an extremely badly worded post. In any case, you don't come out of it looking too well.

But I'm sure you DGAF and won't acknowledge it. Keyboard warriors seldom do.

Rockbeast2

DeanAustin wrote: »

You're reaching a bit now. That's how other posters have read it. That's how I read it. I've no wish to project anything either. It's either a racist post or an extremely badly worded post. In any case, you don't come out of it looking too well.

But I'm sure you DGAF and won't acknowledge it. Keyboard warriors seldom do.

"Keyboard warrior". Good one.

fin12

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

That literally is racist

People have been fired from their jobs over old homophobic and racist tweets so if a black person is now making racist comments, it’s the same thing. They are racist and should face the same consequences.

fin12

I actually heard a black woman say the virus is racist. That’s how obsessed they are with racism.

DeanAustin

fin12 wrote: »

I actually heard a black woman say the virus is racist. That’s how obsessed they are with racism.

Who is “they”?

fin12

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

If you're a white business who wont employ black people yes that is racist.

He didn’t say he wouldn’t hire black people, he said particular black people online posting racist comments. I assume from ur posts, u would have no problem hiring a racist.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the only advantage he has is that he's 59 , he can retire after this government is over, he doesn't need to be re-elected and probably wouldn't be anyway. Leo has decades left so has to care how he's perceived by the twitter army. Leo can make unpopular decisions and Leo can blame him for them till 2022, we might actually see MM grow a spine and do some much needed, but unpopular work.

Doubt it with Leo, he's after an unelected position long-term.

Tony EH wrote: »

Small s socialist policy is usually very popular with the majority of people, for obvious reasons. They provide a better society over all. A society is supposed to give a **** about it's citizens, and that includes government policy makers.

But the left isn't in power anywhere to any degree and hasn't been for decades. Plus, "Left-ish policies" are under attack in a lot of countries, where you can see the drip drip of privatisation within public heathcare systems, essential services and erosions of welfare provision.

This idea that's mindlessly parroted by fools on here and elsewhere across the web that suggests that the left are somehow controlling things, while in the majority of places there's a Neo-Liberal sphere of influence, is just flat out dumb...and it certainly isn't going to change circumstances. How can idiots like that change anything when they don't even know where their target is?

You have to hand it to the Neo-Liberals/Libertarians, they really have pulled to wool over some people's eyes. Although, that's probably quite easy to do with thicko's, who are only interested in punching down on their next easy target.

Again, useful idiots. The racism nonsense (racism exists but it's not the same everywhere and doesn't require the same solutions), word policing, identity politics, all a nice distraction while state functions are privatised and assets sold off. The most vocal "Left" people are the best tool the Right have.

Mr. Karate

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

That literally is racist

It is very much true. Especially the first part. As much as they like to accuse Whites of bringing up their children to hate Blacks. The opposite is true. They are bringing up their children to hate Whites and to blame them for everything. Its self destructive and if our societies legal system weren't so afraid being called racists this behavior would rightly be called child abuse.

DeanAustin

Mr. Karate wrote: »

It is very much true. Especially the first part. As much as they like to accuse Whites of bringing up their children to hate Blacks. The opposite is true. They are bringing up their children to hate Whites and to blame them for everything. Its self destructive and if our societies legal system weren't so afraid being called racists this behavior would rightly be called child abuse.

Who is "they"?

TheCitizen

paddyuibh wrote: »

The National Party, Identity Ireland albeit have the best interests of Ireland in mind.

There leadership is a bit of a laughing stock. Therefore making it easy for everyone to basically laugh at them and call them "Far-Right Racists" a new party with a mixture of young and old needs to be formed one that focuses on all the main issues while highlighting the main goals to and to get a wider gap of the Population on board and interested in them.

Until this happens where left with the Open boarders far left parties of Fine Gael, Finne Fail, Sinn Feinn, PBP, Social Democrats, Greens etc.

Far Left Fine Gael and ‘Finne Fail”. LOL. This thread has really revealed the extent of lunacy that has taken hold of this place

1800_Ladladlad

I see the outrage activists have reared their heads looking to derail the thread as usual. Of course, all they see is race and racism to them only ever comes from white people.

sabat

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

If you're a white business who wont employ black people yes that is racist.

Has there ever been a study done on black and other minority-owned businesses' hiring of LGBT...? I'm willing to wager the results would not make you a happy man.

Tony EH

Tony EH wrote: »

You have to hand it to the Neo-Liberals/Libertarians, they really have pulled to wool over some people's eyes. Although, that's probably quite easy to do with thicko's, who are only interested in punching down on their next easy target.

It's not that the "left" are in power but it's the importation of the lobby concept from the US, where private interests have influence over political parties. So we have mostly "right" type governments who will pander to various groups because they know that 1) there's votes in it, 2) it made great PR in the past, and .3) these groups have their own financing/influence to help the political parties (one way or another).

Simply passing everything over to a political right is no longer accurate because for the most part, they've been whitewashed to incorporate a wide range of concerns. Look at the influence of Feminism in official organisations. We have gender quotas, government sponsored initiatives to raise awareness, etc... all in the face of the actual statistics/research which highlights a greater need (in many areas) for males to be helped. In domestic abuse, women are protected, but the men are relegated to the aggressors. If you look at government sponsored organisations (public & private) who advertise about support and services, you'll find a complete focus on the need for the protection of women, and nothing for men.

This is a reflection of the force of lobby groups which hold influence over the political parties. It's not longer the case of saying a political party is right or left. That's just so that people can be boxed into particular ideologies and therefore dismissed when they don't support the agenda being played.

We live in a world of agendas now. Political leanings (left/right) don't hold much truth anymore except on the extreme ends. And even there, it's mostly used to dismiss peoples opinions as being unreasonable. The world has moved on.. and the rest is just spin.

TheCitizen

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

I see the outrage activists have reared their heads looking to derail the thread as usual. Of course, all they see is race and racism to them only ever comes from white people.

The alt right activists have more or less commandeered this site. It’s more or less an alt right echo chamber now with calls for support for the raving loony Nationalist Party and Identity Ireland above.

It is scary that if some Johnson or Trump like piece of dung came on the political scene in Ireland and replicated the politics of division that has lead them to power, that mistakes that the British and US electorates made would not be learned from with the likes of the alt right fanboys on here. We can only hope that they don’t gain traction in the real world of Irish politics.

DeanAustin

DeanAustin wrote: »

You're reaching a bit now. That's how other posters have read it. That's how I read it. I've no wish to project anything either. It's either a racist post or an extremely badly worded post. In any case, you don't come out of it looking too well.

But I'm sure you DGAF and won't acknowledge it. Keyboard warriors seldom do.

I read it as an opinion on cultural conditioning. I didn't consider it racist.

I don't particularly agree, although I do find African American culture to be prone to encouraging black people towards certain unhealthy behaviors... just as I would point to Traveller culture having negative cultural behaviors, and how they're conditioned to conform to it.

Problem is that these days, pretty much any generalisation about a race is considered (by some) as racist.

TheCitizen

TheCitizen wrote: »

The alt right activists have more or less commandeered this site. It’s more or less an alt right echo chamber now with calls for support for the raving loony Nationalist Party and Identity Ireland above.

The only person raving on this thread is you.

Completely nutty posts. You pop in, make vague accusations, and then disappear until a new set of accusations are thrown around (by you).

Rockbeast2

Deleted User wrote: »

I read it as an opinion on cultural conditioning. I didn't consider it racist.

I don't particularly agree, although I do find African American culture to be prone to encouraging black people towards certain unhealthy behaviors... just as I would point to Traveller culture having negative cultural behaviors, and how they're conditioned to conform to it.

Problem is that these days, pretty much any generalisation about a race is considered (by some) as racist.

It appears Dean believes that I meant ALL black people when I wrote:

"You have to remember that black people are being brainwashed from a young age that when anything in life doesn't go their way, it's Whitey's fault."

Were I to write the following:

"You have to remember that children are being exposed to hardcore pornography online and this may have damaging repercussions later in life."

I don't believe that any reasonable person would take it that I meant ALL children are being exposed.

I get the impression some on here are not so reasonable and see things only through their own prisms of absolutes.

TheCitizen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The only person raving on this thread is you.

Completely nutty posts. You pop in, make vague accusations, and then disappear until a new set of accusations are thrown around (by you).

Yep you’ve taken over. Far Right Alt Right lunacy. The sort of bullshít that ended up with scum like Trump and Johnson as Premiers.

You won’t be happy until we have similar divisive arseholes pitting groups against one another for personal political gain in this country.

Raving about feminists etc., and you’re saying my posts are nutty LOL.

Tony EH

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not that the "left" are in power but it's the importation of the lobby concept from the US, where private interests have influence over political parties. So we have mostly "right" type governments who will pander to various groups because they know that 1) there's votes in it, 2) it made great PR in the past, and .3) these groups have their own financing/influence to help the political parties (one way or another).

Simply passing everything over to a political right is no longer accurate because for the most part, they've been whitewashed to incorporate a wide range of concerns. Look at the influence of Feminism in official organisations. We have gender quotas, government sponsored initiatives to raise awareness, etc... all in the face of the actual statistics/research which highlights a greater need (in many areas) for males to be helped. In domestic abuse, women are protected, but the men are relegated to the aggressors. If you look at government sponsored organisations (public & private) who advertise about support and services, you'll find a complete focus on the need for the protection of women, and nothing for men.

This is a reflection of the force of lobby groups which hold influence over the political parties. It's not longer the case of saying a political party is right or left. That's just so that people can be boxed into particular ideologies and therefore dismissed when they don't support the agenda being played.

We live in a world of agendas now. Political leanings (left/right) don't hold much truth anymore except on the extreme ends. And even there, it's mostly used to dismiss peoples opinions as being unreasonable. The world has moved on.. and the rest is just spin.

Deleted User wrote: »

Again, useful idiots. The racism nonsense (racism exists but it's not the same everywhere and doesn't require the same solutions), word policing, identity politics, all a nice distraction while state functions are privatised and assets sold off. The most vocal "Left" people are the best tool the Right have.

The screamers will always be useful for those who want to point fingers and rant about "the left". But these single issue campaign groups aren't the left and they don't represent the left. They represent the group they are campaigning for. The generally don't have any political wants, beyond their single issue.

A feminist group or a gay advocacy organisation aren't the left. Their reason for being is not to push something like trade unions, or a universal healthcare system or any number of left wing ideals. They exist to push an agenda that concerns their limited scope, which is as it should be.

And governments, of all hues, will lend them an ear from time to time, largely in an effort gain and/or keep power, which at the end of the day, is what most parties are interested in.

Those that want to chuck a load of disparate things together into a barrel labelled "dE LEfT" so they can throw barbs at it occupy the lowest rung on any kind of political thought ladder. That type of clown is only interested in the list of targets they want to eliminate, which is much longer than their list of goals to make things better, if they can even think of one.

TheCitizen

TheCitizen wrote: »

Yep you’ve taken over.

That says it all, really. :pac:

Wibbs

TheCitizen wrote: »

Yep you’ve taken over. Far Right Alt Right lunacy. The sort of bullshít that ended up with scum like Trump and Johnson as Premiers.

You won’t be happy until we have similar divisive arseholes pitting groups against one another for personal political gain in this country.

Raving about feminists etc., and you’re saying my posts are nutty LOL.

So again your entire "debating" strategy is to ignore any points raised and shout "racism" and "Far/Alt Right" buzzwords to dog whistle? I favour the social welfare system, though would make it more efficient and would even use the money saved to increase some benefits. I believe in free/subsidised education and health service. I think The Market libertarians imported from the US are pains in the arse, either kids bullied at school for being studious looking to get their own back, or delusional I pulled myself up by the bootstraps types, or mildly sociopathic, or their only life is work types. I believe there are still too many inequalities in societies and some are getting wider and that needs to be addressed. I'm behind LGBT rights(though some of the T's make my teeth itch), the right to choose etc, though I think feminism and I mean mainstream feminism too has disappeared up it's now arse. I certainly wouldn't vote for some "national" party as they're almost entirely populated by morons. To many Americans I'd be close to a damned commie.

However apparently it makes me Far/Alt Right just because I think multiculturalism is a failed concept that doesn't work and continues not to work and we should not repeat the mistakes of others, though sadly have started to already.

TheCitizen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That says it all, really. :pac:

Yep, I interrupted you ranting about feminists there. Back to your echo chamber where you swap likes with the rest of the alt right lot that are stinking this place out of it.

TheCitizen

Wibbs wrote: »

So again your entire "debating" strategy is to ignore any points raised and shout "racism" and "Far/Alt Right" buzzwords to dog whistle? I favour the social welfare system, though would make it more efficient and would even use the money saved to increase some benefits. I believe in free/subsidised education and health service. I think The Market libertarians imported from the US are pains in the arse, either kids bullied at school for being studious looking to get their own back, or delusional I pulled myself up by the bootstraps types, or mildly sociopathic, or their only life is work types. I believe there are still too many inequalities in societies and some are getting wider and that needs to be addressed. I'm behind LGBT rights(though some of the T's make my teeth itch), the right to choose etc, though I think feminism and I mean mainstream feminism too has disappeared up it's now arse. I certainly wouldn't vote for some "national" party as they're almost entirely populated by morons. To many Americans I'd be close to a damned commie.

However apparently it makes me Far/Alt Right just because I think multiculturalism is a failed concept that doesn't work and continues not to work and we should not repeat the mistakes of others, though sadly have started to already.

What points are you talking about, he (the poster you’re rushing in to defend there) wasn’t making any points. He was ranting about feminists and conspiracy theorising about other groups that he doesn’t like because he’s an arch conservative turning to the alt right because he thinks the regular conservatives have become compromised. Classic alt right gibberish and it’s no surprise that you’re seeing calls for support for The National Party and other such loons on here.

1800_Ladladlad

TheCitizen wrote: »

The alt right activists have more or less commandeered this site. It’s more or less an alt right echo chamber now with calls for support for the raving loony Nationalist Party and Identity Ireland above.

It is scary that if some Johnson or Trump like piece of dung came on the political scene in Ireland and replicated the politics of division that has lead them to power, that mistakes that the British and US electorates made would not be learned from with the likes of the alt right fanboys on here. We can only hope that they don’t gain traction in the real world of Irish politics.

Have you not slept in the last 48 hours? You have repeated this across threads many times. It's like someone got hold of wifi in the funny farm..

TheCitizen

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Have you not slept in the last 48 hours? You have repeated this across threads many times. It's like someone got hold of wifi in the funny farm..

LOL. Mention of the funny farm, not without irony. The lunatics have taken over the asylum with alt right favourites like Trump getting to be President, they’ve taken over on this thread by the looks of it but hopefully enough people will see through it in the real world in this country to put a stop to it. The thread reeks of it.