Leo says the Civil Service is 'very white'

Eric Cartman

Deleted User wrote: »

Left-ish policies are generally more popular just about everywhere though. However that doesn't always translate into votes as the Left loves to trip itself up and the most Left people act as useful idiots in more than one way for the corporatist arseholes who pull the strings.

theres 4.9 million people in Ireland, only 2.2 million people work and 1 million of those people pay little to no tax. when just over 1/5th of people are paying almost all of the tax , of course giveaway policies that benefit the other 4/5ths without them having to pay are going to be popular.

lainey_d_123

All the BAME people at my work are complaining that there aren't enough BAME people in well paid roles.

Apparently 14% of the population are BAME. More than 1 in 5 people in well paid roles at my work are BAME, and yet they feel hard done by and under represented? If anything, they are *over* represented.

Had a right laugh today on a conference call as one woman who is absolutely bone idle, sh1t at her job and just an all around rubbish person complained that she hasn't been promoted because she's black. I have no doubt in my mind that she is only in the role she's in because she's black. She's not remotely up to it and can barely do it. She has no degree. She has no relevant work experience. She doesn't understand the simplest things and seems to believe she's entitled to earn over £60K a year to sit there looking at ASOS online and sending out the odd reminder to the team. I don't think she has ever done an actual day's work in her life. I certainly would never expect to earn that much money for such unskilled work, with no degree.

I think racism is still very much a problem, but people like this are doing nothing to help the cause. It just looks like entitlement to me.

Strumms

I hate the terms left and right wing, but there is a massive space in the centre for a new party with all of the existing ones moves left and being guided by Twitter. Massively disappointed in FG myself as this would /should be their ground but they have let workers down time and time again for "likes" and pats on the back.

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Truth, I’d like to see an electable center left party, savvy with the economy and helping it, but loyal to the rights of citizens and workers so employers have literally ZERO opportunity to be fücking them over. I’m talking ZERO wiggle room, contract is a contract and employment law is LAW and there will be deterrents and penalties for companies and individuals who break the law.

FG let workers down, true. But that should be of no surprise. In their history they back and have backed the wellbeing of companies and businesses over the wellbeing of citizens who elected them... they ARE money people. Money people only have loyalty to money people, to money and they will continue doing just that.

That said, if we had a better stock of opposition... Howlin is an absolute dead duck...Martin just as capable as he might be is a personality vacuum.

The political landscape, isn’t great.

fin12

Michael Martin to be next Taoiseach. He’s probably not much better than Leo.

Strumms

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

All the BAME people at my work are complaining that there aren't enough BAME people in well paid roles.

Apparently 14% of the population are BAME. More than 1 in 5 people in well paid roles at my work are BAME, and yet they feel hard done by and under represented? If anything, they are *over* represented.

Had a right laugh today on a conference call as one woman who is absolutely bone idle, sh1t at her job and just an all around rubbish person complained that she hasn't been promoted because she's black. I have no doubt in my mind that she is only in the role she's in because she's black. She's not remotely up to it and can barely do it. She has no degree. She has no relevant work experience. She doesn't understand the simplest things and seems to believe she's entitled to earn over £60K a year to sit there looking at ASOS online and sending out the odd reminder to the team. I don't think she has ever done an actual day's work in her life. I certainly would never expect to earn that much money for such unskilled work, with no degree.

I think racism is still very much a problem, but people like this are doing nothing to help the cause. It just looks like entitlement to me.

If someone in a job I was in, say I’m a manager, and a person complained that they were not promoted because of their color... I’d make a formal complaint to a management colleague. An investigation would proceed where they would need to sit down, elaborating on their views and required to provide ACTUAL evidence. Evidence that showed that I’d hired a white Irish person ahead of a say person of African origin who was an obviously better suited and more qualified candidate.

If they cannot prove it, it’s a false allegation and that needs to be followed up to.

Rockbeast2

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

All the BAME people at my work are complaining that there aren't enough BAME people in well paid roles.

Apparently 14% of the population are BAME. More than 1 in 5 people in well paid roles at my work are BAME, and yet they feel hard done by and under represented? If anything, they are *over* represented.

Had a right laugh today on a conference call as one woman who is absolutely bone idle, sh1t at her job and just an all around rubbish person complained that she hasn't been promoted because she's black. I have no doubt in my mind that she is only in the role she's in because she's black. She's not remotely up to it and can barely do it. She has no degree. She has no relevant work experience. She doesn't understand the simplest things and seems to believe she's entitled to earn over £60K a year to sit there looking at ASOS online and sending out the odd reminder to the team. I don't think she has ever done an actual day's work in her life. I certainly would never expect to earn that much money for such unskilled work, with no degree.

I think racism is still very much a problem, but people like this are doing nothing to help the cause. It just looks like entitlement to me.

You have to remember that black people are being brainwashed from a young age that when anything in life doesn't go their way, it's Whitey's fault. It really is shocking how many blacks you will encounter, in all professions, who carry a MASSIVE CHIP on their shoulder.

I probably follow about 500 black "peers", 25-35 on Twatter and I have been shocked at the anti-white bile they have been spouting for last 2 weeks. These were "normal" people up til then. But twatter is prioritising all BLM posts so it's all they see there now and no doubt feel under pressure to be visibly vocal.

If I was a white business person hiring right now, no way would I hire one of these people. You would just be asking for trouble down the line. Any criticism of their work product, not promoting them when they feel they deserve it regardless of performance, no pay rise, etc., and the accusation of racism will be fired at you. And encouraged by certain "advocacy groups" and "NGOs".

Eric Cartman

fin12 wrote: »

Michael Martin to be next Taoiseach. He’s probably not much better than Leo.

the only advantage he has is that he's 59 , he can retire after this government is over, he doesn't need to be re-elected and probably wouldn't be anyway. Leo has decades left so has to care how he's perceived by the twitter army. MM can make unpopular decisions and Leo can blame him for them till 2022, we might actually see MM grow a spine and do some much needed, but unpopular work.

Tony EH

Deleted User wrote: »

Left-ish policies are generally more popular just about everywhere though. However that doesn't always translate into votes as the Left loves to trip itself up and the most Left people act as useful idiots in more than one way for the corporatist arseholes who pull the strings.

Small s socialist policy is usually very popular with the majority of people, for obvious reasons. They provide a better society over all. A society is supposed to give a **** about it's citizens, and that includes government policy makers.

But the left isn't in power anywhere to any degree and hasn't been for decades. Plus, "Left-ish policies" are under attack in a lot of countries, where you can see the drip drip of privatisation within public heathcare systems, essential services and erosions of welfare provision.

This idea that's mindlessly parroted by fools on here and elsewhere across the web that suggests that the left are somehow controlling things, while in the majority of places there's a Neo-Liberal sphere of influence, is just flat out dumb...and it certainly isn't going to change circumstances. How can idiots like that change anything when they don't even know where their target is?

You have to hand it to the Neo-Liberals/Libertarians, they really have pulled to wool over some people's eyes. Although, that's probably quite easy to do with thicko's, who are only interested in punching down on their next easy target.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

theres 4.9 million people in Ireland, only 2.2 million people work and 1 million of those people pay little to no tax. when just over 1/5th of people are paying almost all of the tax , of course giveaway policies that benefit the other 4/5ths without them having to pay are going to be popular.

The 4.9 million includes kids and folk retired.
1/5th of the people might be paying all of the tax but the other 4/5ths aren't all of working age and many of those on the pensions paid plenty tax while they were working.

Even with Covid 19 ..........https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/unemployment-rate.......... "Ireland's seasonally adjusted unemployment rate edged up to 5.6 percent in May 2020, the highest since November 2018, as the coronavirus crisis continued to have a significant impact on the labour market. The number of unemployed increased by 5,400 to 139,200. Meanwhile, the alternative COVID-19 adjjusted unemployment rate, which includes persons in receipt of the COVID-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment and considered as the upper bound for the true rate of unemployment, eased to 26.1 percent from April's all-time high of 28.2 percent"

Eric Cartman

Augeo wrote: »

The 4.9 million includes kids and folk retired.
1/5th of the people might be paying all of the tax but the other 4/5ths aren't all of working age and many of those on the pensions paid plenty tax while they were working.

Even with Covid 19 ..........https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/unemployment-rate.......... "Ireland's seasonally adjusted unemployment rate edged up to 5.6 percent in May 2020, the highest since November 2018, as the coronavirus crisis continued to have a significant impact on the labour market. The number of unemployed increased by 5,400 to 139,200. Meanwhile, the alternative COVID-19 adjjusted unemployment rate, which includes persons in receipt of the COVID-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment and considered as the upper bound for the true rate of unemployment, eased to 26.1 percent from April's all-time high of 28.2 percent"

correct, but my point still stands, they have no skin in the game paying tax , but stand to benefit from government spending.

A single income household on 33k with 2 kids is still likely to vote left as even a tax increase would still leave them paying f*ck all but stand to gain from the spending in magnitudes of that. Pensioners may have paid their tax but stand to gain out of any increased spending on public transport or health or other allowances like 'winter fuel'

left spending policies still have no/little negative impact to 4/5ths of the population but only possible upsides, so its a popular vote.

Tony EH

Eric Cartman wrote: »

correct, but my point still stands, they have no skin in the game paying tax , but stand to benefit from government spending.

A single income household on 33k with 2 kids is still likely to vote left as even a tax increase would still leave them paying f*ck all but stand to gain from the spending in magnitudes of that. Pensioners may have paid their tax but stand to gain out of any increased spending on public transport or health or other allowances like 'winter fuel'

left spending policies still have no/little negative impact to 4/5ths of the population but only possible upsides, so its a popular vote.

The "left" haven't had any power in this country. It's been a FF and FG merry-go-round for decades. Even when Labour got in, they were given FG's brief to privatise our water services and hock out cheap labour to companies in the form of Jobbridge.

The actual Left are nowhere to be seen.

Mad_maxx

Tony EH wrote: »

Small s socialist policy is usually very popular with the majority of people, for obvious reasons. They provide a better society over all. A society is supposed to give a **** about it's citizens, and that includes government policy makers.

But the left isn't in power anywhere to any degree and hasn't been for decades. Plus, "Left-ish policies" are under attack in a lot of countries, where you can see the drip drip of privatisation within public heathcare systems, essential services and erosions of welfare provision.

This idea that's mindlessly parroted by fools on here and elsewhere across the web that suggests that the left are somehow controlling things, while in the majority of places there's a Neo-Liberal sphere of influence, is just flat out dumb...and it certainly isn't going to change circumstances. How can idiots like that change anything when they don't even know where their target is?

You have to hand it to the Neo-Liberals/Libertarians, they really have pulled to wool over some people's eyes. Although, that's probably quite easy to do with thicko's, who are only interested in punching down on their next easy target.

so the alliance of media , trade unions , charities , NGO,s and the professional activist class , are all right wing , is that what your saying ?

because regardless of whether FF or FG are the lead party in government , all of the pressure influencing government policy behind the scenes is of the left this past number of years , all of it bar whatever sweet deals american multinationals have

Mad_maxx

Tony EH wrote: »

The "left" haven't had any power in this country. It's been a FF and FG merry-go-round for decades. Even when Labour got in, they were given FG's brief to privatise our water services and hock out cheap labour to companies in the form of Jobbridge.

The actual Left are nowhere to be seen.

the stripe of the lead government or minister who signs off on policy is irrelevant , all of the pressure exerted on government to enact policy comes from the left

take one issue , a miniscule number of voters care about the issue of direct provision yet through endless pressure from media , charities and the broader NGO sector , DP being reformed is part of the next programme for government

another one is the " right to housing " , thats also included , a small but hugely influential set of left wing activists have made this an issue

Tony EH

Mad_maxx wrote: »

so the alliance of media , trade unions , charities , NGO,s and the professional activist class , are all right wing , is that what your saying ?

Don't be stupid Cathy.

Mad_maxx wrote: »

because regardless of whether FF or FG are the lead party in government , all of the pressure influencing government policy behind the scenes is of the left this past number of years , all of it bar whatever sweet deals american multinationals have

Single issue Lobby groups of various colours exist to pressure governments. They are concerned with pushing their particular issue. A wing of politics doesn't come into it. Whether governments take on board what they say is another thing entirely.

But there are no real left wing governments in power in Europe. You mostly have a quagmire of the Neo-Liberal, soft right, that are wedded to corporate interests over social interests that are, in the main, pulling the strings. They are more concerned with the private affairs of the global business classes, than they are with the interests of their citizens.

Adjust your sights, because your not on target. Not by a long shot.

Tony EH

Mad_maxx wrote: »

the stripe of the lead government or minister who signs off on policy is irrelevant , all of the pressure exerted on government to enact policy comes from the left

take one issue , a miniscule number of voters care about the issue of direct provision yet through endless pressure from media , charities and the broader NGO sector , DP being reformed is part of the next programme for government

another one is the " right to housing " , thats also included , a small but hugely influential set of left wing activists have made this an issue

This is nonsense.

If this was actually the case, we'd have better working conditions, better housing conditions and better healthcare system.

The loudest voices in the ear of government and the ones they listen to the most are corporate interests.

Annasopra

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

You have to remember that black people are being brainwashed from a young age that when anything in life doesn't go their way, it's Whitey's fault. It really is shocking how many blacks you will encounter, in all professions, who carry a MASSIVE CHIP on their shoulder.

I probably follow about 500 black "peers", 25-35 on Twatter and I have been shocked at the anti-white bile they have been spouting for last 2 weeks. These were "normal" people up til then. But twatter is prioritising all BLM posts so it's all they see there now and no doubt feel under pressure to be visibly vocal.

If I was a white business person hiring right now, no way would I hire one of these people. You would just be asking for trouble down the line. Any criticism of their work product, not promoting them when they feel they deserve it regardless of performance, no pay rise, etc., and the accusation of racism will be fired at you. And encouraged by certain "advocacy groups" and "NGOs".

That literally is racist

Rockbeast2

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

That literally is racist

So IF I were a business owner and decided not to hire people who are spouting anti-white racist rhetoric on their public social media account, then that would mean that I am a racist?

Okay.

cnocbui

Mad_maxx wrote: »

the stripe of the lead government or minister who signs off on policy is irrelevant , all of the pressure exerted on government to enact policy comes from the left

take one issue , a miniscule number of voters care about the issue of direct provision yet through endless pressure from media , charities and the broader NGO sector , DP being reformed is part of the next programme for government

another one is the " right to housing " , thats also included , a small but hugely influential set of left wing activists have made this an issue

A lot of the pressure to enact policy comes from within the Self Service - you might know them as the Public Service. I remember an article about some minister proposing a reduction in property tax and the response quoted from Revenue was just epic. Truly worthy of an episode of Yes Minster; Well minister, if you did that, you would have to find large cost savings in all these areas and you would have to sacrifice your first born on an alter and all the milk you buy would be curdled before you could pour it.'

Ever wondered why no political party in this country ever goes to the poll offering tax cuts? -Well apart from sinn fein of course... Reduced taxes might mean looking for savings, like PS pensions.

Mad_maxx

Tony EH wrote: »

Don't be stupid Cathy.



Single issue Lobby groups of various colours exist to pressure governments. They are concerned with pushing their particular issue. A wing of politics doesn't come into it. Whether governments take on board what they say is another thing entirely.

But there are no real left wing governments in power in Europe. You mostly have a quagmire of the Neo-Liberal, soft right, that are wedded to corporate interests over social interests that are, in the main, pulling the strings. They are more concerned with the private affairs of the global business classes, than they are with the interests of their citizens.

Adjust your sights, because your not on target. Not by a long shot.

for the puritans of the left , its never enough

permanent revolution

the left dominates every sphere of influence in ireland today , only an idealogue could deny it

that todays left seem fairly content to often align with global business interests is beside the point

Annasopra

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

So IF I were a business owner and decided not to hire people who are spouting anti-white racist rhetoric on their public social media account, then that would mean that I am a racist?

Okay.

If you're a white business who wont employ black people yes that is racist.

Chris_Heilong

CrankyHaus wrote: »

A few years back Bernie Sanders was asked about open borders and responded "That's a Koch Brothers policy".
It's quite recent that the default left position has been in favour of open borders.

I think that is down to some people not having an opinion of their own and look for a set of rules and talking points they can follow.

Rockbeast2

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

If you're a white business who wont employ black people yes that is racist.

Where did I say I wouldn't hire "black people"? FFS

I stated I would not hire the people I have read publicly spewing anti-white bile online. I know their names. They happen to be black. Why would I hire that person?

Yurt2

Mad_maxx wrote: »

so the alliance of media , trade unions , charities , NGO,s and the professional activist class , are all right wing , is that what your saying ?

because regardless of whether FF or FG are the lead party in government , all of the pressure influencing government policy behind the scenes is of the left this past number of years , all of it bar whatever sweet deals american multinationals have

Anglea Nagle (DCU old-left academic, author of the woke-mocking Kill All Normies, and folk hate figure for the sjw left) calls these people useful idiots.

They do the hard yards on behalf of international capital and business interests, and they're too silly to realise it.

See this rather good and on the money article...


https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2018/11/the-left-case-against-open-borders/

cnocbui

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

Where did I say I wouldn't hire "black people"? FFS

I stated I would not hire the people I have read publicly spewing anti-white bile online. I know their names. They happen to be black. Why would I hire that person?

Because their competence to do the job might be superior to other candidates? Or is that too obvious?

Rockbeast2

cnocbui wrote: »

Because their competence to do the job might be superior to other candidates? Or is that too obvious?

LOL

I would not hire an overt and publicly self-affirmed racist of any color or creed, regardless of their "competence to do the job".

You live in bizarro world.

DeanAustin

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

Where did I say I wouldn't hire "black people"? FFS

I stated I would not hire the people I have read publicly spewing anti-white bile online. I know their names. They happen to be black. Why would I hire that person?

You have to remember that black people are being brainwashed from a young age that when anything in life doesn't go their way, it's Whitey's fault. It really is shocking how many blacks you will encounter, in all professions, who carry a MASSIVE CHIP on their shoulder.

I probably follow about 500 black "peers", 25-35 on Twatter and I have been shocked at the anti-white bile they have been spouting for last 2 weeks. These were "normal" people up til then. But twatter is prioritising all BLM posts so it's all they see there now and no doubt feel under pressure to be visibly vocal.

If I was a white business person hiring right now, no way would I hire one of these people. You would just be asking for trouble down the line. Any criticism of their work product, not promoting them when they feel they deserve it regardless of performance, no pay rise, etc., and the accusation of racism will be fired at you. And encouraged by certain "advocacy groups" and "NGOs".

The above is your post and the bolded bit is the most racist bit. What follows that also comes across as racist as a result.

Tony EH

Mad_maxx wrote: »

for the puritans of the left , its never enough

permanent revolution

the left dominates every sphere of influence in ireland today , only an idealogue could deny it

that todays left seem fairly content to often align with global business interests is beside the point

You're talking gibberish.

Alter your sights, otherwise you're just making a fool of yourself and crying about a non-existent bogeyman called "dE LeFt".

Rockbeast2

DeanAustin wrote: »

You have to remember that black people are being brainwashed from a young age that when anything in life doesn't go their way, it's Whitey's fault. It really is shocking how many blacks you will encounter, in all professions, who carry a MASSIVE CHIP on their shoulder.

I probably follow about 500 black "peers", 25-35 on Twatter and I have been shocked at the anti-white bile they have been spouting for last 2 weeks. These were "normal" people up til then. But twatter is prioritising all BLM posts so it's all they see there now and no doubt feel under pressure to be visibly vocal.

If I was a white business person hiring right now, no way would I hire one of these people. You would just be asking for trouble down the line. Any criticism of their work product, not promoting them when they feel they deserve it regardless of performance, no pay rise, etc., and the accusation of racism will be fired at you. And encouraged by certain "advocacy groups" and "NGOs".

The above is your post and the bolded bit is the most racist bit. What follows that also comes across as racist as a result.

So if this does not happen based on your experience and as a result infers that I have written a "racist" post, then please report it. If you have not already.

I really DGAF what you think.

DeanAustin

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

So if this does not happen based on your experience and as a result infers that I have written a "racist" post, then please report it. If you have not already.

I really DGAF what you think.

What your post literally says is that all black people are being brainwashed to believe that if things don't go their way, they should blame Whitey. Read it again. That's what it says. There was no qualifier put in there.

That's racist.

cnocbui

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

LOL

I would not hire an overt and publicly self-affirmed racist of any color or creed, regardless of their "competence to do the job".

You live in bizarro world.

Are you an employer, or is this hypothetical?