Leo says the Civil Service is 'very white'

Akesh

Imagine the shock and horror in Leinster House when it was discovered that a country, where over 91% of the population are white, has a civil service that is 'very white'. To correct this error, he would like to use targets for the civil service to hire more minorities.

These kinds of targets are illogical and in no way should a public servant be hired on the basis of their skin colour or race but this is what he wants to introduce.

Is this just another reactionary policy in reaction to the death of George Floyd or does it have merit? Obviously recruiters in the civil service are racists otherwise there would be no need for such a policy/target.

suicide_circus

White people? in North Western Europe?

Rodney Bathgate

Imagine, a small island country in north western europe with no history of colonialism or ties to Africa has a ‘very white’ public sector. Given that we have very few direct flights to Africa and didn’t have them a long time, the number of ‘people of colour’ from Africa who managed to get here without setting foot in another safe country before claimed asylum here is more surprising that a ‘very white’ public sector.

boardise

A load of tokenistic krapp.

Rodney Bathgate

suicide_circus wrote: »

White people? in North Western Europe?

Outrageous.

Muahahaha

I always liked the name of that civil servant who popped in the Disclosures Tribunal and the Frances Fitzgerald email affair- Chris Quattrociocchi

j8wk2feszrnpao

It was a racist statement by our Taoiseach. Factual, but by the standards he puts forward, it's racist. Leo obviously looks at people and sees skin colour first and foremost.

Rodney Bathgate

Muahahaha wrote: »

I always liked the name of that civil servant who popped in the Disclosures Tribunal and the Frances Fitzgerald email affair- Chris Quattrociocchi

Not only is he white, he is ginger.

James Brown

Is there a direct quote? Depends on the context. I suspect he's just being super 'right on' for PR, but a quote would be nice.
Gone be the days when your accent and family connections got you in.

Galwayguy35

You'd swear there was something wrong with being white.

He's making a fool of himself over the last few days bladdering on about removing statues and suggesting there is a big problem with racism in this country when there really isn't.

Class MayDresser

Is there a link to what he actually said or will I wait til his reaffirmation later on on his twitter?

One eyed Jack

Akesh wrote: »

Imagine the shock and horror in Leinster House when it was discovered that a country, where over 91% of the population are white, has a civil service that is 'very white'. To correct this error, he would like to use targets for the civil service to hire more minorities.

These kinds of targets are illogical and in no way should a public servant be hired on the basis of their skin colour or race but this is what he wants to introduce.

Is this just another reactionary policy in reaction to the death of George Floyd or does it have merit? Obviously recruiters in the civil service are racists otherwise there would be no need for such a policy/target.

It has merit in a society where it’s true that 91% of the population are white, and almost 99% of the people in civil service jobs, are also white.

Setting quotas though is not the way to address the disparity. Educating people who are not white as to the benefits to them of joining the civil services would be a step in the right direction though if the idea is genuinely greater visibility of ethnic minorities in the civil services, and not simply a token gesture.

yerwanthere123

Stop importing this identity politics shíte from America

jmayo

Akesh wrote: »

Imagine the shock and horror in Leinster House when it was discovered that a country, where over 91% of the population are white, has a civil service that is 'very white'. To correct this error, he would like to use targets for the civil service to hire more minorities.

These kinds of targets are illogical and in no way should a public servant be hired on the basis of their skin colour or race but this is what he wants to introduce.

Is this just another reactionary policy in reaction to the death of George Floyd or does it have merit? Obviously recruiters in the civil service are racists otherwise there would be no need for such a policy/target.

What else do you fooking expect from that gobdaw.

One of his heroes is that gobshyte in Canada and he reckons he will get brownie points for these type of comments.

I wonder would he like to hire some of our "native minority" to help him out in government buildings.

Next thing you know he will reckon too many of them are straight .

Rodney Bathgate

Given that many African countries are among the most corrupt, this doesn’t bode well for our public sector and our ‘Corruption Perception Index’ placing. Can we expect less FDI as a result?

FVP3

Lads, check your privilege. Leo is a gay indian and he's had to struggle in this country to get anywhere. Barely surviving. Compare that to the Irish in the inner cities, or the poor whites in general who get everything handed to them on a plate.

Alrigghtythen

jmayo wrote: »

What else do you fooking expect from that gobdaw.

One of his heroes is that gobshyte in Canada and he reckons he will get brownie points for these type of comments.

I wonder would he like to hire some of our "native minority" to help him out in government buildings.

Next thing you know he will reckon too many of them are straight .

His mate who has done blackface a few times

Rodney Bathgate

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

His mate who has done blackface a few times

Correct. More times than he could remember. The privileged son of a former prime minister.

Biker79

Prediction for the future:

Anti-racism will prove to be more destructive to society than ' racism '

*( racism will also prove to have been largely non-existent, confused with other behaviours such as discriminating against people based on their perceived behaviour/ values rather than physical characteristics )

Fred Cryton

Jesus Leo. No matter how many times this wokeness, PC and SJW nonsense is discredited, lampooned, taken apart and derided by people with working brains, our politicians still lap it up like sheep following each other off a cliff. Maddening.

1800_Ladladlad

"No Irish need apply".

At the start of his reign, Leo stated "prejudice has no hold in Ireland" ...... He has an awful habit of Chopin and changing his mind. He's a simpleton alright.

Rodney Bathgate

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

Stop importing this identity politics shíte from America

Too late.

ThunbergsAreGo

He's won me back in the election but has totally lost me these last two weeks.

They are all the same shade of ****e. There is no diversity in Irish politics

FVP3

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Correct. More times than he could remember. The privileged son of a former prime minister.

who is this?

Rodney Bathgate

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

"No Irish need apply".

At the start of his reign, Leo stated "prejudice has no hold in Ireland" ...... He has an awful habit of Chopin and changing his mind. He's a simpleton alright.

Incorrect - only “new Irish” need apply.

j8wk2feszrnpao

suicide_circus wrote: »

He was always a slippery me feiner.

Now he can race baiter to his CV.

Personally I think FG/Leo have done ok in government, esp giving the circumstances they inherited (and I've never voted FF/FG myself). They've been poor/good in a number of areas. So I'm not just knocking him for the sake of it.

But he's out of touch with the people of Ireland,; the Tans episode (and the failure to see what people were saying during that time) was proof of that. This is another example. I'm left leaning, and see a lot of merit in giving minorities (not just skin colour, race, nationality - but also people who have a tougher opportunity at success) a leg-up; but this OTT extreme left-wing (and often racist behaviour itself) pushes people like me away. It must push those who are right-wing even further away.

FVP3

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Jesus Leo. No matter how many times this wokeness, PC and SJW nonsense is discredited, lampooned, taken apart and derided by people with working brains, our politicians still lap it up like sheep following each other off a cliff. Maddening.

Its the narrative though. I dont really watch the news or read newspapers these days (not since the firewalls) but I have no doubt the narrative there is "Americans are bad racists but so are we".

Leo assumes this is the general belief out there.

Ninthlife

Do you reckon the Nigerian president or PM is sitting in Lagos thinking, 'you know what I think the Nigerian civil service is too black'

Trying to appease the people by saying and doing things that are 'current'

walshb

This effing racism talk is getting seriously out of control..

Everywhere now. People searching and digging like fooking lunatics looking for offensiveness and division and racism.

Quit it...we know the people of the world are fooking mad..


Just accept it, build a bridge and get over it.

Rodney Bathgate

FVP3 wrote: »

who is this?

Justin Trudeau. Canadian Prime Minister with a history of blackface.

FVP3

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Personally I think FG/Leo have done ok in government, esp giving the circumstances they inherited (and I've never voted FF/FG myself). They've been poor/good in a number of areas. So I'm not just knocking him for the sake of it.

But he's out of touch with the people of Ireland,; the Tans episode (and the failure to see what people were saying during that time) was proof of that. This is another example. I'm left leaning, and see a lot of merit in giving minorities (not just skin colour, race, nationality - but also people who have a tougher opportunity at success) a leg-up; but this OTT extreme left-wing (and often racist behaviour itself) pushes people like me away. It must push those who are right-wing even further away.

Indeed. Affirmative action in the US is targeting the historically privileged*, here it would target the historically discriminated against. But we are all Americans now.

* actually the historically privileged do well in the US given their rules on Alumi. Its the working class whites that bear the brunt.

FVP3

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Justin Trudeau. Canadian Prime Minister with a history of blackface.

Ah right, it was the use of the term "his mate" that threw me off.

Rodney Bathgate

FVP3 wrote: »

Ah right, it was the use of the term "his mate" that threw me off.

They had a ‘sock thing’ if I recall correctly.

Galwayguy35

Between politicians and the media they will create a problem that was never there before, people will resent this narrative being trotted out that we all need to check our "white privilege" 24/7.

And of course insert "male" in there as well if you have a ballsack.

screamer

Gimme here me cat of nine tails till I flagalate myself to repent for our white country......

Time for Leo to GTFO, stirring the racism pot at this moment.....

Das Reich

I bet in his half country 99,99% of public servants are Indians.

ThunbergsAreGo

There are business that won't open, we are still in a lockdown, hundreds of thousands are out of a job, the schools are closed......

..... and he comes out with this. The fact the Civil Service is white is the pressing concern of our time.

And none of the rest are any better. Its almost as if they want a divide.

Twitter isn't Ireland

screamer

Das Reich wrote: »

I bet in his half country 99,99% of public servants are Indians.

For sure and don’t mention the caste system and abject poverty and deprivation that brings, but sure they’re all the same race so that’s ok then. BLM matter no one else, remember.

Gradius

How to build problems; The Guide

1) Destabilise a country by inviting in anyone and everyone.

2) Anyone and everyone besides Irish people start complaining that the country isn't to their liking.

3) Start exclusionary programs to benefit people other than Irish in ireland.

Can't wait to see the successes of step 4, although the utopia of the United States society is a glimpse.

In all seriousness though, this is outrageous. Even the hint of what's to come, that some Irish people are going to be excluded to make way for someone else in a huge sector of the country's jobs. Bonkers. And it won't go unseen either.

This isn't the United States or the United Kingdom, and we owe nobody.

Geuze

I must check the civil service in Togo, Congo, Ethiopia, and see are there any Irish there.

I wonder are there groups of Japanese people, in Japan, stating in public:

there aren't enough Brazilians in Japan / Japanese schools / Japan's civil service, it's not fair, the public administration is too Japanese, we need to change that


Do Irish people, on holiday in Turkey, say out loud:

there are too many Turkish people teaching in Turkish schools, instead there should be less, and they should be replaced with Chilean people


It seems to be only here that we seem to be self-hating so much.

Madeoface

Leo: 'So, like I say, not enough non Irish. Lets get something for twitter, yeah?'
Dept. Secretary: 'Maybe we can let the asylum seekers apply? Boost the numbers? We have about 10,000 pending decisions there?'
Leo: 'Ah now Humphrey - there was a bandwagon there that I missed last week.....lets not get carried away with ourselves'.

nullzero

From now on when you call a government department you will be greeted by a recorded apology for the number of white people working in that department as well as an assurance that less white people will be hired going forward leading eventually to their target of a white free workforce by 2030.

mistersifter

Sorry but, like everyone else, black people are just going to have to accept that the only way you can get into the Irish Civil Service is by being the best person for the job a family member or GAA teammate of someone who already works there. Fair is fair, like.

Joking aside, there have been many thousands of applicants for this years clerical officer campaign (https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058060499). The absolute vast majority wont even get interviewed. Nice to know aul Leo is looking to push people of certain ethnicities to the front of the queue.

Mysterypunter

The man is a bit of an idiot, plus why have all the black lives matter protest in Ireland, where thousands of innocent unarmed black people have not been killed by Irish police. The USA has a huge problem with racism, but if black lives matter, why were 18 people murdered in Chicago on May 31st, the most violent day in 60 years in that city? The reality is black lives matter sometimes, but not all the time, and mostly not to other blacks. And to read the profiles of the deceased, none of them had a single enemy, and it is a mystery why they died. It is a very sad and unsafe environment in which to live, but as usual its the USA, and that's why people take notice, if it were two African tribes hacking the ****e out of each other, no one would give a fiddlers. Sad reflection on society that people who are so upset by everything call the shots, but their actual experience of troublespots and disadvantaged communities is precisely zero.

da_miser

The highest office in the land is held by a BAME gay man, yet the Irish are being bombarded daily with propaganda that we are racist bigots with white privilege.
Come on folks, level with me whats the end game here?

James Brown

Still no quote. Don't make me call shenanigans...

4068ac1elhodqr

He still hasn't condoned the thousands who took the streets, most without PPE and all during a Phase 1 stage of global pandemic, if anything he encouraged them.

All the while nearly a dozen native folks are daily laid to rest, and a close-contact surge has occured since the start of June, with the last two days of new cases (via CC, not normal community based) at the highest levels yet of 60% per day as the 'mode of transmission' of new cases. The type of close contact, non community spread, you expect find at a woke march about town.

KevRossi

Have I got this right? According to the CSO, there are just over 43,000 people who describe themselves as 'Black Irish' in the 2016 Census. Just under 1% of the population.

The overwhelming amount of them have either arrived here, or were born here since 1998; 22 years. A substantial number of them are in school or college. It takes a couple of decades for people to work themselves into jobs in certain areas in foreign countries. The cicil and public service jobs tend to take longest, professional sport the shortest. So what's the issue with Varadkar? Instead of whinging about colour, he should be ensuring that there is no discrimination in recruitment of any kind, that all people get a fair chance based on ability.

Give it a couple of decades and they;ll be working in public an civil service jobs, in teaching or wherever. There'll be people with Polish, Lithuanian, Romanian, Nigerian, Chinese, Brazilian and 101 other ethnic origins working there eventually. It takes time, no need to force it at the detriment of others.

Gruffalux

People have lost the run of themselves after this Floyd murder. It was a very bad thing. Bad things happen often. To many people. Of all colours, sexes and creeds. Maybe it is the lockdown that has made so many crazy. How has a person who stuck a gun to the belly of a pregnant woman been hoisted up to be on murals with Martin Luther King? Surely there have been more deserving martyrs - innocent, ordinary people brutalised?
The same people running around dribbling in the streets probably never heard of this man -
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.voanews.com/africa/rwanda-genocide-suspects-arrest-after-26-years-draws-praise%3famp
He was arrested in Paris a couple of weeks ago. He had been a fugitive for 26 years, ever since he funded and supported the 100 day massacre of Tutsis by Hutus in 1994. In those days the deaths had to be rounded up to the nearest 100,000. No one lost their minds in the streets about Felicien Kabuga. The whole thing seems crazy to me.

Tim Robbins

Akesh wrote: »

Imagine the shock and horror in Leinster House when it was discovered that a country, where over 91% of the population are white, has a civil service that is 'very white'. To correct this error, he would like to use targets for the civil service to hire more minorities.

These kinds of targets are illogical and in no way should a public servant be hired on the basis of their skin colour or race but this is what he wants to introduce.

Is this just another reactionary policy in reaction to the death of George Floyd or does it have merit? Obviously recruiters in the civil service are racists otherwise there would be no need for such a policy/target.

80% of IT now are non Irish. That includes a lot of Spanish, Polish, Brazil and Indians. Other sectors, e.g. primary school teaching are almost exclusively Irish. This doesn't make sense and not very healthy. We need to embrace diversity much more particular some sectors.

j8wk2feszrnpao

KevRossi wrote: »

Have I got this right? According to the CSO, there are just over 43,000 people who describe themselves as 'Black Irish' in the 2016 Census. Just under 1% of the population.

The overwhelming amount of them have either arrived here, or were born here since 1998; 22 years. A substantial number of them are in school or college. It takes a couple of decades for people to work themselves into jobs in certain areas in foreign countries. The cicil and public service jobs tend to take longest, professional sport the shortest. So what's the issue with Varadkar? Instead of whinging about colour, he should be ensuring that there is no discrimination in recruitment of any kind, that all people get a fair chance based on ability.

Give it a couple of decades and they;ll be working in public an civil service jobs, in teaching or wherever. There'll be people with Polish, Lithuanian, Romanian, Nigerian, Chinese, Brazilian and 101 other ethnic origins working there eventually. It takes time, no need to force it at the detriment of others.

Go’way with your factual and sensible analysis.....