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Employer insisting on paying 18 y/o under min. wage

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    #62
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    callmehal wrote: »
    Why not raise the minimum wage instead? Making things miserable for people to survive is not the way to go.

    Go protest the government if you want, but that's not going to help the op have cash in thier pocket.


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    #63
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Hailee Pitiful Ladyfinger wrote: »
    This thread has to be a piss take. There’s no way someone could be this childish at 18. Grow a pair OP...

    Of course the OP's not really 18. The attitude of posters here is very real though. Let young people and people on the dole suffer. I'm alright Jack.


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    #64
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    callmehal wrote: »
    Of course the OP's not really 18. The attitude of posters here is very real though. Let young people and people on the dole suffer. I'm alright Jack.

    You were encouraging them to go on the dole a second ago, but now people in the dole are suffering. Lol


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    #65
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    sugarman wrote: »
    Dole for an 18 is €100 or there abouts.

    Yes so similar amount and he can get applying for far superior companies instead of wasting his time with this one.


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    #66
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Go protest the government if you want, but that's not going to help the op have cash in thier pocket.

    No, going on the dole will. I already suggested it.


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    #67
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    You were encouraging them to go on the dole a second ago, but now people in the dole are suffering. Lol

    You missed the part where a poster was calling for the dole to be cut. You might need to go back to school to brush up on your reading skills. :D


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    #68
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,252 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    callmehal wrote: »
    He should head to the dole office for the best he can get. Think people should work instead of going on the dole? Well then reconsider your position on thinking offering peanuts is acceptable.

    It is easier to move from employment in one job to another, so the op should consider the benefit of having a good track record of employment and references to go with it. Though harsh to say, this is what the op is qualified to do, so finding a well, or even better paying job would be challenging at the best of times, but even more so now with increased unemployment and business cutbacks.

    Do I think people should work rather than being on the dole? If they can, yes, it is better than sitting at home and/or being rejected by the jobs you apply for. And right now, at 18 with no qualifications, the op is being offered a job which if he doesn’t take, someone else soon will. You are paid what the market will bare, so right now the op is being offered what he is worth in today’s market.

    I suspect a lot of people will be applying to those “superior companies” now.


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    #69
    Wuff Wuff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Wuff Wuff


    callmehal wrote: »
    No, going on the dole will. I already suggested it.

    So will going to work


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    #70
    gary550
    Registered Users Posts: 638 ✭✭✭gary550


    mark2912 wrote: »
    I couldn't care less about the experience at the end of the day, I know nobody else who gets paid that low. €8.39 is a joke and should be illegal, its a disgrace, I'll get laughed at by friends/peers, all of whom get paid at least €10.10 in their jobs.

    The one job I liked was only temporary. The fact that I expressed interest in being made permanent after xmas to them and they went ahead and kept 2 other people instead of me is what got to me the most. Loosing that job was like loosing a limb and changed who I am today. I didn't care about anything else, just the job, I wanted to be dead, I was grieving. I obviously wasn't good enough for them :confused:

    If any of your mates think they can take the piss cause they make €1.71 an hour more than you do I think it may be time for you to re-evaluate your friendship with said mate......


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    #71
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Dav010 wrote: »
    It is easier to move from employment in one job to another, so the op should consider the benefit of having a good track record of employment and references to go with it. Though harsh to say, this is what the op is qualified to do, so finding a well, or even better paying job would be challenging at the best of times, but even more so now with increased unemployment and business cutbacks.

    Do I think people should work rather than being on the dole? If they can, yes, it is better than sitting at home and/or being rejected by the jobs you apply for. And right now, at 18 with no qualifications, the op is being offered a job which if he doesn’t take, someone else soon will. You are paid what the market will bare, so right now the op is being offered what he is worth in today’s market.

    I suspect a lot of people will be applying to those “superior companies” now.

    No one should accept the peanuts offered by this lot. It's not acceptable to be paing anyone that measly sum. Companies like this should not be encouraged and anyone trying to convince any young person to work for odios companies like this should have a word with themselves.

    Dole, look for better companies. That's the best option for young people.


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    #72
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Wuff Wuff wrote: »
    So will going to work

    Will only get the same amount, on the dole he won't have to work for the scummy company.


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    #73
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,252 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    callmehal wrote: »
    No one should accept the peanuts offered by this lot. It's not acceptable to be paing anyone that measly sum. Companies like this should not be encouraged and anyone trying to convince any young person to work for odios companies like this should have a word with themselves.

    Dole, look for better companies. That's the best option for young people.

    But they are paying above what the op is entitled to, it might be low pay, at 18 with no qualifications, limited experience and unemployed, I’m struggling to see why you are so ardent that the job should pay more.


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    #74
    Wuff Wuff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Wuff Wuff


    callmehal wrote: »
    Will only get the same amount, on the dole he won't have to work for the scummy company.

    And he will develop a great work ethic sitting on his arse,

    He is being paid the correct wage for his age


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    #75
    Bikerman2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 992 ✭✭✭Bikerman2019


    callmehal wrote: »
    No one should accept the peanuts offered by this lot. It's not acceptable to be paing anyone that measly sum. Companies like this should not be encouraged and anyone trying to convince any young person to work for odios companies like this should have a word with themselves.

    Dole, look for better companies. That's the best option for young people.
    Dealz has a headline price of 1.49 People flock there as they like cheap. Some of it is ok and some of it is sh**e
    If you want companies like that to increase wages, you need the customers to pay more. This is the crux of the issue.


    Decide which you want. Cheap or dear. Wages high or low, they are connected.


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    #76
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Dav010 wrote: »
    But they are paying above what the op is entitled to, it might be low pay, at 18 with no qualifications, limited experience and unemployed, I’m struggling to see why you are so ardent that the job should pay more.

    Other companies pay more. On to the dole and apply for them jobs. If a company is willing to pay peanuts to its staff, just think how bad they treat them. As I said, life is too short to be wasting it on employers like that.


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    #77
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Wuff Wuff wrote: »
    And he will develop a great work ethic sitting on his arse,

    He is being paid the correct wage for his age

    Instead of trying to teach work ethics to 18 year olds, maybe try to teach companies how to pay their staff a reasonable wage?


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    #78
    Wuff Wuff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Wuff Wuff


    callmehal wrote: »
    Instead of trying to teach work ethics to 18 year olds, maybe try to teach companies how to pay their staff a reasonable wage?

    He is being paid the correct wage, which is reasonable.


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    #79
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Bikerman2019 wrote: »
    Dealz has a headline price of 1.49 People flock there as they like cheap. Some of it is ok and some of it is sh**e
    If you want companies like that to increase wages, you need the customers to pay more. This is the crux of the issue.


    Decide which you want. Cheap or dear. Wages high or low, they are connected.

    I'm sure they make very little money. Barely surviving. Cheap as sh1t shops are already known for their high moral standing and good practices.

    It's not a case of high or low wages. It's about treating and paying people reasonably. Sports direct in the uk are cheap as sh1t, have you seen how they treat their staff and their practices? It's time people stood up against these types of companies and demanded they treat staff etc decently instead of telling them to lump it.

    Your attitude is all wrong.


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    #80
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Wuff Wuff wrote: »
    He is being paid the correct wage, which is reasonable.

    He's been offered a wage way below minimum wage. That's only reasonable for the I'm alright Jack crew.


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    #81
    Wesser
    Registered Users Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Wesser


    402.72 a month.... you say you cant live on that.... but that for working only 12 hours a week! Which is 1.5 days a week! You could get another job to go along with that.

    We would all like to be paid more money. Id like to be paid more money! I dont discuss my wage with my friends. Its none if their business!!


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    #82
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 24,986 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Wuff Wuff wrote: »
    He is being paid the correct wage, which is reasonable.

    A fair wage for a fair days work, THAT is reasonable, nothing else my friend, nothing else.


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    #83
    Wuff Wuff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Wuff Wuff


    callmehal wrote: »
    He's been offered a wage way below minimum wage. That's only reasonable for the I'm alright Jack crew.

    He has been offered the correct wage for his age

    Are you his mother or something haha


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    #84
    Wesser
    Registered Users Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Wesser


    What is your long term plan? Make sure you get into some training... otherwise youll be stuck on e10 an hour forever!

    Also I would advise you to take the job as it improves ypur prospects for the future if you have a job in the firstplace. Much easier to get a better job if you have a job in the first place....


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    #85
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Wuff Wuff wrote: »
    He has been offered the correct wage for his age

    Are you his mother or something haha

    No, he's been offered way below minimum wage. He should go on the dole. Problem with that? Blame the companies offering way below minimum wage.

    Are you a dealz manager? :pac:


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    #86
    harr
    Registered Users Posts: 4,482 ✭✭✭harr


    I have many friends who started work part time In super markets and shops and worked upwards and got training and had a good attitude and did what overtime was asked of them.
    Many of them continued in retail and worked hard and some now have their own shops ..
    I myself worked an apprenticeship and got paid buttons for years often working 13 or 14 hour days but the hard work stood to me and was never out of work. When times were hard and jobs not very plentiful I stacked shelves in tesco at night and this was in my 30,s eventually I got back on my feet.
    OP what employers want is someone willing to work and have a good attitude.. take the job even if it’s only for a few months and keep your eyes open for other openings and if you want to stay in retail then look to get some training in and do as many courses as you can ... the likes of Aldi and Lidi have great training programs but you have to prove to them you want to work hard.


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    #87
    un5byh7sqpd2x0
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    callmehal wrote: »
    No, he's been offered way below minimum wage.

    Err, you’ll find he’s been offered way above minimum wage...


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    #88
    Wuff Wuff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Wuff Wuff


    callmehal wrote: »
    No, he's been offered way below minimum wage. He should go on the dole. Problem with that? Blame the companies offering way below minimum wage.

    Are you a dealz manager? :pac:

    But would he be entitled to much on the dole of he's still living at home or parents working etc? (genuine question as I've no idea what way irt all works now)

    And no I've no affiliation with Dealz, rarely even shop there tbh


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    #89
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Hailee Pitiful Ladyfinger wrote: »
    Err, you’ll find he’s been offered way above minimum wage...

    10.10 per hour. Do the maths.


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    #90
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Wuff Wuff wrote: »
    But would he be entitled to much on the dole of he's still living at home or parents working etc? (genuine question as I've no idea what way irt all works now)

    And no I've no affiliation with Dealz, rarely even shop there tbh

    No but it'll be a similar amount and instead of working for a company lacking in decency, he can spend the time applying for better companies, possibly planning his education or something more worthwhile.


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    #91
    DavyD_83
    Registered Users Posts: 1,991 ✭✭✭DavyD_83


    callmehal wrote: »
    No, he's been offered way below minimum wage. He should go on the dole. Problem with that? Blame the companies offering way below minimum wage.

    Are you a dealz manager? :pac:

    But it's not below minimum wage for the OP.

    It's this whole thread just a troll training ground?
    Do you get paid well for trolling? Is there a minimum reward level of Adobe sort?
    I've never understood why anybody would put so much effort into this sort of thing. Much like yourself not understanding why some people would bother getting a job unless it'll cover a mortgage.

    And yeh, of this is a real thread, op should have taken the cafe join, which manager was some to offer when he saw how hard op took being let go.
    Song as he turned that down, he should now take what is on offer while looking for a better option.


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