Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Tenzor07

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

They’d be fairly thick if they started rushing to the gp’s/ hospitals in the winter time considering the advise all along has been to isolate and phone your GP to confirm if a test for Covid is required
However the demand for tests will be greater in the winter time as you said we will still be getting colds and flus

Well yea, will be a jump in tests i'd say.

A lot more people will stay at home with a sniffle than would have previously, so could potentially be a lot of lost days for employers this winter.

Though I can't see that the new Government would lock things down again...

frillyleaf

faceman wrote: »

With the WHO changing the narrative on face masks and other EU countries updating their rules as a result, do you we think/expect that Ireland should follow suit? Seems a reasonable request now particularly as there is going to be a lot more retail and shopping centres opening at once.

Where is Ireland at with the contact tracing app? I thought that it’s something the state wanted ready before we move phases?

Seems odd that after all his talk, Tony is rolling back on lockdown recommendations, reducing the daily address to every other day which makes his “no peanuts and pints lads” like hot air.

Coronavirus 1: oh look there’s some lads in the pub, let’s infect them

Coronavirus 2: WAIT! They’re eating their dinner over pints, we can’t touch them

Coronavirus 1: ah crap! Look there’s a couple of lads eating peanuts with their pints, let’s get them instead!

I don’t think he is rolling back on the recommendations. Medical people will recommend what we should do but whether those recommendations are followed or not is in the hands of the government on accessing risks involved . I think FG felt under huge pressure from businesses and tourist industry to open back up and this is costing our economy too much. Tony H is still recommending that no shopping centres be opened but government have decided to open them. They’ve taken quite a gamble on it hopefully it doesn’t back fire and all goes well!

I don’t think we’ll see a lockdown again similar to what we had but if cases start to climb we need to make sure our healthcare system can manage it. We won’t have the public hospitals and it needs to manage it alongside normal hospital admissions which are also going to increase.

The good thing is most of us have been conditioned to keep our distance and this will help numbers stay down . It seems bizarre that face masks won’t be mandatory on public transport and in enclosed spaces where contact tracing won’t be possible but this will likely change to keep numbers down.

AUDI20

facehugger99 wrote: »

3.1 million kids die from poor nutrition and hunger every year.

You won't see many lads crying crocodile tears on Facebook about that though.

Hundreds of thousands of people being paid €350 a week to sit on their holes and we wonder why there are so many clappy-seals supporting Govt 'action'.

Sure keep telling yourself that, children dying in third world countries from hunger and poor nutrition is well documented, maybe not on facebook which I wouldn't expect it to be. you completely misunderstand the concept of the €350 payment which most economists agreed with. but then there is always going to be disgruntled people no matter what the Govt do. whose measures were also supported by the opposition parties

Penfailed

Idbatterim wrote: »

I despise this new normal term. Makes me sick! Those cynical disguised as caring adverts playing every where! I shudder !

Hmmmm. Another anti-restriction merchant with a weak stomach. Sorry to hear that.

Lundstram

The dumb sheeple up in Dublin again today.

Where are the Gardaí?

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1269271255632482310

whisky_galore

Penfailed wrote: »

Hmmmm. Another anti-restriction merchant with a weak stomach. Sorry to hear that.

No, it's a cliché at this stage.

Penfailed

whisky_galore wrote: »

No, it's a cliché at this stage.

"Turns my stomach," "makes me sick," emotive language...but not genuine.

KrustyUCC

Lundstram wrote: »

The dumb sheeple up in Dublin again today.

Where are the Gardaí?

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1269271255632482310

FFS not again

Very poor thing to do

I hope they dont get sick after the protests

iamwhoiam

KrustyUCC wrote: »

FFS not again

Very poor thing to do

I hope they dont get sick after the protests

My thought is not for their welfare but if they get sick who will they pass it on to

crossman47

I genuinely hope I'm wrong but I think we'll be in trouble again sooner than people think. People have already decided this is all over. i passed a cemetery today with people milling around and no sign of distancing (not travellers by the way) and now this lark at the US embassy. Somebody earlier said we do what we are told like sheep. Don't make me laugh. We have a post colonial attitude to laws "If the government wants this, i'm agin it". People kept to the restrictions out of fear and many of them now feel there is nothing to fear so all bets are off.

Jayesdiem

There won’t be any increase in infections after this, wait till you see. Even if there is, those people should be sick for two weeks and then return to society like they would with any other illness. Nothing to see!

iamwhoiam

Jayesdiem wrote: »

There won’t be any increase in infections after this, wait till you see. Even if there is, those people should be sick for two weeks and then return to society like they would with any other illness. Nothing to see!

Are they exceptional in that they cannot pass it on to others

KrustyUCC

iamwhoiam wrote: »

My thought is not for their welfare but if they get sick who will they pass it on to

My only concern for their welfare is that it won't be used as a stick to beat the rest of us with

Ginger n Lemon

Thread has gone quiet. Rightfully so, only things we wish to open up quicker are cinemas, pubs and hairdressers and gyms.

You know, if 3/4 open then amount of house parties will reduce significantly.

PS another protest making a mockery of "law abiding citizens". One thing is for sure, gardai are wet blankets just like Paschal.

Ps get rid of that stupid 2metre rule applying wat feels like in Ireland only.

stephenjmcd

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0606/1145868-simon-harris-reopening/

The man really does love to try and put a dampener on things, he's gone from no air travel in 2020 to dont be going abroad but we can't actually stop you.

"In relation to foreign travel, the Minister said even though airlines were sending marketing material about resuming travel to other countries, now was not an appropriate time to take non-essential trips abroad.

Although he said that advice may change at a later point in time. He said staycations were much more likely this summer. He acknowledged that there was no law against travelling abroad. But so far, he said, people had used their heads and listened to the public health advice from doctors."

Santy2015

I’m not wearing a mask! The amount of people I’ve seen wear them and not use them properly is at about 90%. I just don’t see the point. One lady I saw was constantly pulling it up and down from her face with her bare hands. This is what I see everyday. Masks need to be up to the individual and nobody else.

acequion

crossman47 wrote: »

I genuinely hope I'm wrong but I think we'll be in trouble again sooner than people think. People have already decided this is all over. i passed a cemetery today with people milling around and no sign of distancing (not travellers by the way) and now this lark at the US embassy. Somebody earlier said we do what we are told like sheep. Don't make me laugh. We have a post colonial attitude to laws "If the government wants this, i'm agin it". People kept to the restrictions out of fear and many of them now feel there is nothing to fear so all bets are off.

That's rubbish. You have three types of people in Irish society.

Those who absolutely love laws, will do anything to impose them dictatorially and who will follow them blindly and get apoplectic with rage when they detect any non compliance, complaining that we're all a lost cause.

Then you have the second group, who might not agree with the laws, might even hate them and resent them, but will follow blindly out of fear because subservience is their way and they'd have a horror of ever stepping out of line and being different. Those two groups constitute the great majority.

Then you have a minority who make up their own mind. Their decisions may not be always the wisest, might even be downright foolish at times, but they're their own decisions. Generally, in this small minority, people live and let live. I'd prefer them any day to the know it all dictators.

Ginger n Lemon

Santy2015 wrote: »

I’m not wearing a mask! The amount of people I’ve seen wear them and not use them properly is at about 90%. I just don’t see the point. One lady I saw was constantly pulling it up and down from her face with her bare hands. This is what I see everyday. Masks need to be up to the individual and nobody else.

People in my area keep leaving their nose exposed and biggest part of the mask covers neck. Ludicrous look

Penfailed

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Ps get rid of that stupid 2metre rule applying wat feels like in Ireland only.

What?

Jayesdiem

Santy2015 wrote: »

I’m not wearing a mask! The amount of people I’ve seen wear them and not use them properly is at about 90%. I just don’t see the point. One lady I saw was constantly pulling it up and down from her face with her bare hands. This is what I see everyday. Masks need to be up to the individual and nobody else.

Great news. Nothing symbolises this atrocious “new normal” like the face mask does. The quicker they die out, the better off we’ll all be.

Penfailed

acequion wrote: »

That's rubbish. You have three types of people in Irish society.

Those who absolutely love laws, will do anything to impose them dictatorially and who will follow them blindly and get apoplectic with rage when they detect any non compliance, complaining that we're all a lost cause.

Then you have the second group, who might not agree with the laws, might even hate them and resent them, but will follow blindly out of fear because subservience is their way and they'd have a horror of ever stepping out of line and being different. Those two groups constitute the great majority.

Then you have a minority who make up their own mind. Their decisions may not be always the wisest, might even be downright foolish at times, but they're their own decisions. Generally, in this small minority, people live and let live. I'd prefer them any day to the know it all dictators.

That's rubbish.

Micky 32

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0606/1145868-simon-harris-reopening/

The man really does love to try and put a dampener on things, he's gone from no air travel in 2020 to dont be going abroad but we can't actually stop you.

"In relation to foreign travel, the Minister said even though airlines were sending marketing material about resuming travel to other countries, now was not an appropriate time to take non-essential trips abroad.

Although he said that advice may change at a later point in time. He said staycations were much more likely this summer. He acknowledged that there was no law against travelling abroad. But so far, he said, people had used their heads and listened to the public health advice from doctors."

I could be totally wrong but if you visited a country abroad with the same R number as us wouldn’t you be just as likely to catch the virus touring around Ireland on a staycation? Especially on a bus or train.

Santy2015

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

People in my area keep leaving their nose exposed and biggest part of the mask covers neck. Ludicrous look

Totally agree. Makes no sense. In all seriousness though. If you know you have the virus. You and your close contacts won’t be out in supermarkets or in the local takeaway. I know people can be asymptotic but they’ve surely been contact traced.... my feelings on it anyway. I think everything should open from the 29th of June and 1m social distance. The curtain twitching morons can stay at home. Nobody is forcing them out, but the money will run out

crossman47

Jayesdiem wrote: »

There won’t be any increase in infections after this, wait till you see. Even if there is, those people should be sick for two weeks and then return to society like they would with any other illness. Nothing to see!

Some will be sick for two weeks, some will end up in hospital or be the cause of others ending up in hospital. People slagged off George Lee yesterday but he was
right - the government have decided to put the onus on people to behave properly if we are to avoid a further cycle of this. I don't have confidence people have got the message. in the words of a famous football commentator -they think its all over.

Jayesdiem

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Are they exceptional in that they cannot pass it on to others

Of course not but if they do pass it on, those people, if they even get the symptoms, would also send-isolate before returning to society two weeks later like the people who infected them. A very simple no fuss solution which should have been the way from the start.

Penfailed

Santy2015 wrote: »

I think everything should open from the 29th of June and 1m social distance.

It's proven that you are 4 times more likely to catch the virus at 1m than 2m. It's safer to stick to the two metre rule. 1m is normality. If someone was closer than a metre to me, they'd be invading my personal space. Things haven't returned to normal yet.

crossman47

acequion wrote: »

Their decisions may not be always the wisest, might even be downright foolish at times, but they're their own decisions. Generally, in this small minority, people live and let live.

Foolish and dangerous - these are people who decide on their own speed limits, for one example.

Jayesdiem

crossman47 wrote: »

Some will be sick for two weeks, some will end up in hospital or be the cause of others ending up in hospital. People slagged off George Lee yesterday but he was
right - the government have decided to put the onus on people to behave properly if we are to avoid a further cycle of this. I don't have confidence people have got the message. in the words of a famous football commentator -they think its all over.

It is all over. This whole sorry catastrophe, which should never have occurred in the first place, is now over. Unfortunately our behaviours will change forever and we’ll be worse off for it. It seems to me that the science that underpins pandemics is far from precise and the people who dispense that science are not in the unfortunate position of having their incomes compromised by catastrophic and unnecessary lockdowns. This virus is a nothing to the vast, vast majority and it’s about time we got on with our lives.

ZX7R

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0606/1145868-simon-harris-reopening/

The man really does love to try and put a dampener on things, he's gone from no air travel in 2020 to dont be going abroad but we can't actually stop you.

"In relation to foreign travel, the Minister said even though airlines were sending marketing material about resuming travel to other countries, now was not an appropriate time to take non-essential trips abroad.

Although he said that advice may change at a later point in time. He said staycations were much more likely this summer. He acknowledged that there was no law against travelling abroad. But so far, he said, people had used their heads and listened to the public health advice from doctors."

Read an article earlier that Ryanair expect to add extra flights due too unexpected demand to holiday resorts

Santy2015

Penfailed wrote: »

It's proven that you are 4 times more likely to catch the virus at 1m than 2m. It's safer to stick to the two metre rule. 1m is normality. If someone was closer than a metre to me, they'd be invading my personal space. Things haven't returned to normal yet.

My point is in ‘normal times’ you’d never get that close to a person anyway. Even sitting at a bar, you’re probably 1m apart. The virus is burning out so the 29th of June is the right time to open everything up