Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

FintanMcluskey

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Yes you read that correctly. If we consider this a killer, we must also say the same of influenza, yet nobody gives a sh1t about that despite its propensity to become widespread, and also to kill people. Despite that, we have this incredible situation in which the flu is supposedly not serious enough to influence public behaviour but this coronavirus has changed the way we will operate, likely forever. That is a blatant inconsistency I cannot come to terms with in my mind.

Could never understand the absolute complete misunderstanding of death.

Seemingly only a Covid death is a tragic death and must be avoided at all costs.

The Covid deaths are still a tiny number.
25m people have died so far this year. They all died of something?

60m were born so far this year incidentally but thats a matter for a different thread

road_high

Danonino. wrote: »

Very very very different lockdown situation and resulting impact to us here in Ireland. Here our greatest concerns have been mental health, the economy and being unable to visit friends/family/the beach.


In India you had people walking 650+ miles home due to no income and no housing, multiple deaths on train lines and many dying from exhaustion, dehydration and hunger. Mass exodus from towns and cities with no transport system and nowhere to stay in between.

There’s be no €350 per week to sit at home watching tv. Different world

facehugger99

AUDI20 wrote: »

Nearly 400,000 Deaths world wide and rising is not a deadly virus? Get real. Our Government where spot on with their actions and over 70percent of the population agree

3.1 million kids die from poor nutrition and hunger every year.

You won't see many lads crying crocodile tears on Facebook about that though.

Hundreds of thousands of people being paid €350 a week to sit on their holes and we wonder why there are so many clappy-seals supporting Govt 'action'.

growleaves

Danonino. wrote: »

.... so you don’t see a difference between Covid-19 not having a vaccine and killing 400k people worldwide in approx 4 months and infuenza.

K

A bad influenza year can kill 650k worldwide. Influenza vaccines are often ineffective (at least partly).

As for the claim that lockdown prevented many more deaths, perhaps the Chinese Communist Policy can explain the "science" behind that since it was their policy originally and Italy just copied it in a hurry.

Evidence from Taiwan, Japan, Sweden, Brazil, the Dakotas is that covid does not kill in the 100,000s to millions absent a lockdown.

MickeyLeari

I was reading an article quoting a Professor Killeen. Has the man locked himself up?

Danonino.

growleaves wrote: »

A bad influenza year can kill 650k worldwide. Influenza vaccines are often ineffective (at least partly).

As for the claim that lockdown prevented many more deaths, perhaps the Chinese Communist Policy can explain the "science" behind that since it was their policy originally and Italy just copied it in a hurry.

Evidence from Taiwan, Japan, Sweden, Brazil, the Dakotas is that covid does not kill in the 100,000s to millions absent a lockdown.

Ok

Jimmy Garlic

bb1234567 wrote: »

1.7 billion people freed today, lockdown has now ended in India , Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Countless people who were just getting by before the WHOs lockdown have literally starved to death in those countries as a result of the lockdown, it has created a humanitarian catastrophe in that part of the world.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/p-chidambaram-india-coronavirus-lockdown-migrants-hunger-6390882/lite/

finalfurlong

MickeyLeari wrote: »

I was reading an article quoting a Professor Killeen. Has the man locked himself up?

Hopefully.How he kept getting media time this week was strange-he definitely was on an ego trip

MickeyLeari

finalfurlong wrote: »

Hopefully.How he kept getting media time this week was strange-he definitely was on an ego trip

Was he physically in a studio?

road_high

MickeyLeari wrote: »

I was reading an article quoting a Professor Killeen. Has the man locked himself up?

We can but live in hope. Imagine being a student under that insufferable prick. Heard him one night there (when he had the attention seeking mask on) saying he’d been working in Africa and came back before the lockdown. Hopefully he’ll ship himself back there soon

acequion

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Edit: I also need to add that it is not exaggerating to say 70% of the population are sheep. They lack the ability to think for themselves and need to be told what to do in order to function. That 30% don’t require a nanny is actually encouraging, I believed it was less.

I do think it's less. I think Irish people in general will blindly follow orders, a trait of character not so evident in other countries, especially in larger countries. Maybe it's the fact that we're a small island nation and we've always been in awe of our leaders, going back to when it was church leaders calling the shots.And often, even those who lambaste the leaders are still showing an unhealthy obsession with them. The ability to think for oneself, to critically weigh up a situation and make up one's own mind is essential and you'd imagine developed in a well educated, free population. But it's sadly lacking in Ireland.

I'm delighted with yesterday's news but feel the easing hasn't gone far enough.Hairdressers should be allowed to reopen sooner, the 2 metres should be cut back a bit and don't get me started on the mandatory quarantine for incoming /returning travellers where they'd love to make non compliance a crime!

But if the boss says so then that's that.:rolleyes:

road_high

acequion wrote: »

I do think it's less. I think Irish people in general will blindly follow orders, a trait of character not so evident in other countries, especially in larger countries. Maybe it's the fact that we're a small island nation and we've always been in awe of our leaders, going back to when it was church leaders calling the shots.And often, even those who lambaste the leaders are still showing an unhealthy obsession with them. The ability to think for oneself, to critically weigh up a situation and make up one's own mind is essential and you'd imagine developed in a well educated, free population. But it's sadly lacking in Ireland.

I'm delighted with yesterday's news but feel the easing hasn't gone far enough.Hairdressers should be allowed to reopen sooner, the 2 metres should be cut back a bit and don't get me started on the mandatory quarantine for incoming /returning travellers where they'd love to make non compliance a crime!

But if the boss says so then that's that.:rolleyes:

The logic gene is sorely missing in many Irish. Many of the rules have made no sense whatsoever but the broad attitude I see often is “sure it’ll all be worth it”- no! If something does nothing to halt Covid then why do it?
And they’re often afraid to express how they really feel for fear of being ostracised

Idbatterim

I wonder what the cost of all tvis odiocy is going to be ? Likely ten billion deficit so far ? Made up of not paying out e350 as an idotoc flat rate and shutting down nearly everything ? So may deficit, 6 billion. They likely figured June would be maybe five billion?

The only thing that has forced the morons hands, is seeing how dramatic these figures are. We have been saying this for months on this thread, it was obvious as fcuk, it wasnt remotely sustainable financially. On top of being a load of bull**** !

Jimmy Garlic

road_high wrote: »

The logic gene is sorely missing in many Irish. Many of the rules have made no sense whatsoever but the broad attitude I see often is “sure it’ll all be worth it”- no! If something does nothing to halt Covid then why do it?
And they’re often afraid to express how they really feel for fear of being ostracised

The Irish have a desperate fear of been seen in anyway different to everyone around them. This coupled with a subservient mindset makes for a very easily led populace. Not long since the Catholic Taliban called all the shots and micromanaged everyday life. The government spent 11 weeks talking to the public like they are children. The unelected bishops have been replaced with unelected “experts”

AUDI20

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Yes you read that correctly. If we consider this a killer, we must also say the same of influenza, yet nobody gives a sh1t about that despite its propensity to become widespread, and also to kill people. Despite that, we have this incredible situation in which the flu is supposedly not serious enough to influence public behaviour but this coronavirus has changed the way we will operate, likely forever. That is a blatant inconsistency I cannot come to terms with in my mind.

Edit: I also need to add that it is not exaggerating to say 70% of the population are sheep. They lack the ability to think for themselves and need to be told what to do in order to function. That 30% don’t require a nanny is actually encouraging, I believed it was less.

I don't remember influenza killing 1660 people in Ireland in under 3 months, just goes to show how little you know about Covid-19, as for your edit, just shows what your mindset is.

acequion

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

The Irish have a desperate fear of been seen in anyway different to everyone around them. This coupled with a subservient mindset makes for a very easily led populace. Not long since the Catholic Taliban called all the shots and micromanaged everyday life. The government spent 11 weeks talking to the public like they are children. The unelected bishops have been replaced with unelected “experts”

So very true. It's evident everywhere and really became so during this crisis. I see it in my own workplace. It's whatever the boss wants,regardless how ludicrous. And anybody who speaks up is considered at best, a crank, at worst a dangerous element. It's actually quite worrying because even the younger generation are continuing this sheep like compliance with everything commanded from on high.

TaurenDruid

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Yes you read that correctly. If we consider this a killer, we must also say the same of influenza, yet nobody gives a sh1t about that despite its propensity to become widespread, and also to kill people. Despite that, we have this incredible situation in which the flu is supposedly not serious enough to influence public behaviour but this coronavirus has changed the way we will operate, likely forever. That is a blatant inconsistency I cannot come to terms with in my mind.

Seriously?

You've entirely missed where employers insist that staff with the flu are told to stay home from work until better? You've missed the fact that every winter, people end up on trolleys because hospitals get so overcrowded? You've missed all of the advertising campaigns every year urging those in vulnerable groups to get the flu vaccine, which is provided free to those on the medical card? The fact that the vast majority of health workers vaccinate?

faceman

With the WHO changing the narrative on face masks and other EU countries updating their rules as a result, do you we think/expect that Ireland should follow suit? Seems a reasonable request now particularly as there is going to be a lot more retail and shopping centres opening at once.

Where is Ireland at with the contact tracing app? I thought that it’s something the state wanted ready before we move phases?

Seems odd that after all his talk, Tony is rolling back on lockdown recommendations, reducing the daily address to every other day which makes his “no peanuts and pints lads” like hot air.

Coronavirus 1: oh look there’s some lads in the pub, let’s infect them

Coronavirus 2: WAIT! They’re eating their dinner over pints, we can’t touch them

Coronavirus 1: ah crap! Look there’s a couple of lads eating peanuts with their pints, let’s get them instead!

Jayesdiem

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Seriously?

You've entirely missed where employers insist that staff with the flu are told to stay home from work until better? You've missed the fact that every winter, people end up on trolleys because hospitals get so overcrowded? You've missed all of the advertising campaigns every year urging those in vulnerable groups to get the flu vaccine, which is provided free to those on the medical card? The fact that the vast majority of health workers vaccinate?

Don’t make me laugh. Never did I see someone wearing a surgical mask in public prior to this. Never did I see business in retail shops done through transparent glass. Never did I see people banished from the streets and told to stay home indefinitely. Never did I see children shuttled around school yards in military formation and told not to touch their infected friends for fear of death. You are really comparing the measures for this catastrophic era to nominal efforts to contain flu? It’s like you are trying to prove my point for me, not argue it. For that I thank you.

newuser99999

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Seriously?

You've entirely missed where employers insist that staff with the flu are told to stay home from work until better? You've missed the fact that every winter, people end up on trolleys because hospitals get so overcrowded? You've missed all of the advertising campaigns every year urging those in vulnerable groups to get the flu vaccine, which is provided free to those on the medical card? The fact that the vast majority of health workers vaccinate?

Are you joking? Irish people don’t take the flu half as seriously as they should. Vaccine uptake among healthcare workers in long-term care facilities had reached 38% and 45% of healthcare workers in acute hospitals had received the vaccine. That’s not nearly enough!

Jimmy Garlic

acequion wrote: »

So very true. It's evident everywhere and really became so during this crisis. I see it in my own workplace. It's whatever the boss wants,regardless how ludicrous. And anybody who speaks up is considered at best, a crank, at worst a dangerous element. It's actually quite worrying because even the younger generation are continuing this sheep like compliance with everything commanded from on high.

The “new normal” they were raving about. Nothing new about it, just a different priesthood and different silly little rituals, holy water replaced by hand sanitiser. Rosary beads replaced with blue gloves and masks. Fear mongering from the pulpit replaced by fear mongering from media, the new pulpit. The same old tried and tested tricks jigged around to suit a technocracy ruled by “experts” instead of a theocracy ruled by bishops.

bb1234567

I agree that people don't take flu seriously enough at all, I know people often used it as an argument to depict COVID as mild but if anything from all the discussions this year the thing that stood out to me and am still shocked by is how many people die from flu annnually, so many deaths could be prevented with just better public hygiene and cleanliness

Dr. Bre

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

The “new normal” they were raving about. Nothing new about it, just a different priesthood and different silly little rituals, holy water replaced by hand sanitiser. Rosary beads replaced with blue gloves and masks. Fear mongering from the pulpit replaced by fear mongering from media, the new pulpit. The same old tried and tested tricks jigged around to suit a technocracy ruled by “experts” instead of a theocracy ruled by bishops.

There was a few on here that kept telling us about the new normal. They’ve gone quiet recently

Tenzor07

bb1234567 wrote: »

I agree that people don't take flu seriously enough at all, I know people often used it as an argument to depict COVID as mild but if anything from all the discussions this year the thing that stood out to me and am still shocked by is how many people die from flu annnually, so many deaths could be prevented with just better public hygiene and cleanliness

Problem is now that with the current stage of the Lockdown as we're seeing now is it's pushing any future spikes of Covid out into the Winter time where Colds and Flu tend to appear, most people who get colds and flu may think they have Covid and start flooding GP surgeries, hospital A&E depts.

Idbatterim

I despise this new normal term. Makes me sick! Those cynical disguised as caring adverts playing every where! I shudder !

Deeper Blue

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Is travel for social distanced respect for funeral ok? Family member has died in the west. Unfortunately I won’t be in the 25 allowed on Monday but I would like to travel to stand and show my respects and to (socially distanced) console my mum. Obviously will use my own car and won’t be staying over anywhere

You should definitely go. Bear in mind that thousands of people attended a mass gathering last weekend with no social distancing and nothing was said. A funeral is much more important than that and you sound very sensible RE social distancing etc. Seriously, go and don't have any regrets.

Jinglejangle69

More scare mongering on RTÉ 1 radio.

RBB on his soap box.

Irish Aris

faceman wrote: »

With the WHO changing the narrative on face masks and other EU countries updating their rules as a result, do you we think/expect that Ireland should follow suit? Seems a reasonable request now particularly as there is going to be a lot more retail and shopping centres opening at once.

Where is Ireland at with the contact tracing app? I thought that it’s something the state wanted ready before we move phases?

Seems odd that after all his talk, Tony is rolling back on lockdown recommendations, reducing the daily address to every other day which makes his “no peanuts and pints lads” like hot air.

Coronavirus 1: oh look there’s some lads in the pub, let’s infect them

Coronavirus 2: WAIT! They’re eating their dinner over pints, we can’t touch them

Coronavirus 1: ah crap! Look there’s a couple of lads eating peanuts with their pints, let’s get them instead!

The reality with face masks is that they can recommend use, but very difficult to enforce - mostly up to each person if they will use it or not.
Like you mention, some countries have made it mandatory - namely public transport and certain indoors environment. In Greece where I come from, as soon as restrictions were lifted the 2 meter rule was relaxed, because let's face it, how realistic is that you will have social distancing in public transport in a big city? In Greece, the authorities have the power to fine you (I think 150 euros) if you get caught in public transport without a mask, but the reality is that these checks are random, so people can chance it. My understanding from talking to my parents is that use of masks is higher in Greece than Ireland (maybe the "fear" of fines?) but not totally widespread.
Personally I have some face masks (local Dunnes started selling a few weeks ago) and plan to use them when I will use public transport.

On the contact tracing app: I think someone in another thread mentioned that trials have started through some company (I think is called RedC but not sure). Again not sure how easy it would be to make it mandatory and what the requirements would be (i.e. do you need to have your GPS on? I would be one of these people that only switch the location on if I need it), but I guess whatever helps makes life easier. . .

Icantthinkof1

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Problem is now that with the current stage of the Lockdown as we're seeing now is it's pushing any future spikes of Covid out into the Winter time where Colds and Flu tend to appear, most people who get colds and flu may think they have Covid and start flooding GP surgeries, hospital A&E depts.

They’d be fairly thick if they started rushing to the gp’s/ hospitals in the winter time considering the advise all along has been to isolate and phone your GP to confirm if a test for Covid is required
However the demand for tests will be greater in the winter time as you said we will still be getting colds and flus

acequion

Idbatterim wrote: »

I despise this new normal term. Makes me sick! Those cynical disguised as caring adverts playing every where! I shudder !

The one in Dunnes Stores, starting with,"In Ireland we're friendly" bla bla bla has me driven crazy at this stage!:rolleyes: