How long before Irish reunification? (Part 2) Threadbans in OP

droidman123

RobMc59 wrote: »

When you refer to occupation,when do you consider that to have happened?I ask as the only reference i can find regarding any occupation of Ireland was in the 12th century.

So the british were not here after the 12th century? They are not here still?

fash

RobMc59 wrote: »

When you refer to occupation,when do you consider that to have happened?I ask as the only reference i can find regarding any occupation of Ireland was in the 12th century.

The moment people who didn't identify themselves as "Irish" arrived in Ireland - when was that?

eire4

droidman123 wrote: »

Correct,it should be the north east really.donegal is in the north of my country,but its not in the occupied counties

Very true Donegal is the most northerly county in Ireland.

RobMc59

No disrespect to either if you but I asked the question when the occupation of Ireland began(which is a reasonable thing to ask imo)and two subsequent posts answer with questions.

droidman123

RobMc59 wrote: »

No disrespect to either if you but I asked the question when the occupation of Ireland began(which is a reasonable thing to ask imo)and two subsequent posts answer with questions.

You said the only reference you could find of the occupation of ireland was in the 12th century,i simply asked you is the occupation still on going?

RobMc59

droidman123 wrote: »

You said the only reference you could find of the occupation of ireland was in the 12th century,i simply asked you is the occupation still on going?

The Normans conquered Britain in the 11th century and Ireland in the 12th. British people don't consider their country occupied as a result of this,why do you?

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

The Normans conquered Britain in the 11th century and Ireland in the 12th. British people don't consider their country occupied as a result of this,why do you?

British people are happy being ruled by monarchy and elites. That is evident for a number of centuries now. Here there were persistent and regular attempts to remove/expel the monarchs and elite until we finally succeeded in a part of the island.

eire4

RobMc59 wrote: »

The Normans conquered Britain in the 11th century and Ireland in the 12th. British people don't consider their country occupied as a result of this,why do you?

Britons are the Celtic people who were in what is England today until the Angles and the Saxons invaded and pushed them out of what is today England largely. So I would say the Britons for sure considered their country conquered/occupied.

RobMc59

eire4 wrote: »

Britons are the Celtic people who were in what is England today until the Angles and the Saxons invaded and pushed them out of what is today England largely. So I would say the Britons for sure considered their country conquered/occupied.

As a British person I don't know anyone who considers Britain an occupied country and returning to Saxon Britain or anything else would be bizarre imo.
Are you saying you wish Ireland had never been part of Britain,with none of the influences ,language etc which has helped Ireland in the modern world?

Jump_In_Jack

RobMc59 wrote: »

As a British person I don't know anyone who considers Britain an occupied country and returning to Saxon Britain or anything else would be bizarre imo.
Are you saying you wish Ireland had never been part of Britain,with none of the influences ,language etc which has helped Ireland in the modern world?

Yes, if we could rewrite history Britain would have never exploited us.

droidman123

RobMc59 wrote: »

As a British person I don't know anyone who considers Britain an occupied country and returning to Saxon Britain or anything else would be bizarre imo.
Are you saying you wish Ireland had never been part of Britain,with none of the influences ,language etc which has helped Ireland in the modern world?

That statement smacks of the british empirical mentality that all the countries they stole,raped of resources,and butchered that it was for their own good,the natives need to be educated,unbelieveable

eire4

RobMc59 wrote: »

As a British person I don't know anyone who considers Britain an occupied country and returning to Saxon Britain or anything else would be bizarre imo.
Are you saying you wish Ireland had never been part of Britain,with none of the influences ,language etc which has helped Ireland in the modern world?

The Saxons invaded and took over the land now called England from the Britons. There was no Saxon Britain.

Absolutely I without doubt wish that Ireland had never been invaded and colonized by the English.

Fionn1952

RobMc59 wrote: »

Are you saying you wish Ireland had never been part of Britain,with none of the influences ,language etc which has helped Ireland in the modern world?

I'll take ridiculous Imperialistic justification for the raping and pillaging of half the globe for $500 please, Alex.

The lesser people who lived there before were of course enlightened by your glorious influence, and the pre-existing language, culture, laws and people are nothing compared to being allowed to bask in the glory of our majestic overlords and betters.

Christ almighty

droidman123

Fionn1952 wrote: »

I'll take ridiculous Imperialistic justification for the raping and pillaging of half the globe for $500 please, Alex.

The lesser people who lived there before were of course enlightened by your glorious influence, and the pre-existing language, culture, laws and people are nothing compared to being allowed to bask in the glory of our majestic overlords and betters.

Christ almighty

Rob was saying earlier that he wished irish history was taught in british schools,i think it would be better for them if british history was taught in their schools

Junkyard Tom

RobMc59 wrote: »

Are you saying you wish Ireland had never been part of Britain,with none of the influences ,language etc which has helped Ireland in the modern world?

'What we did to you was good for you'. We're probably a couple of hundred years behind where we should be because of British degeneracy.

dd973

It's ironic that hardline Loyalists are terrified of ending up in a country that speaks English, has a capital city full of British neo-classical and Georgian aesthetics, has a Common Travel Area with the entire British isles and is full of tea drinkers obsessed with Coronation Street and Premiership Football. :pac:

droidman123

dd973 wrote: »

It's ironic that hardline Loyalists are terrified of ending up in a country that speaks English, has a capital city full of British neo-classical and Georgian aesthetics, has a Common Travel Area with the entire British isles and is full of tea drinkers obsessed with Coronation Street and Premiership Football. :pac:

British isles??

eire4

droidman123 wrote: »

That statement smacks of the british empirical mentality that all the countries they stole,raped of resources,and butchered that it was for their own good,the natives need to be educated,unbelieveable

Nail on the proverbial head. Text book example of a colonial racist mentality disguised behind gaslighting.

downcow

droidman123 wrote: »

I asked downcow that earlier,still waiting for a reply

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t claim the gaa is an inclusive non-sectarian organisation and then support it using a nickname for the country that is exclusively used by Catholics.
That’s what you call a ‘chill factor’ to the ‘other’ community.
But I couldn’t care less what you call ni. In fact tbh I like the gaa calling it the ‘six counties’ because it demonstrates to any unionists who may think the gaa is trying to be inclusive, that they are badly mistaken. So get on with it. Have a six counties competition if you wish.

downcow

dd973 wrote: »

It's ironic that hardline Loyalists are terrified of ending up in a country that speaks English, has a capital city full of British neo-classical and Georgian aesthetics, has a Common Travel Area with the entire British isles and is full of tea drinkers obsessed with Coronation Street and Premiership Football. :pac:

Did you ever ask yourself why.
Remember when you point your finger at someone, there are three pointing back at you

Fionn1952

downcow wrote: »

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t claim the gaa is an inclusive non-sectarian organisation and then support it using a nickname for the country that is exclusively used by Catholics.
That’s what you call a ‘chill factor’ to the ‘other’ community.
But I couldn’t care less what you call ni. In fact tbh I like the gaa calling it the ‘six counties’ because it demonstrates to any unionists who may think the gaa is trying to be inclusive, that they are badly mistaken. So get on with it. Have a six counties competition if you wish.

Are you genuinely feigning offense at Six Counties, Downcow? You don't (incorrectly) refer to Ulster? You don't talk about OWC? You've never referred to this end of the country as anything but Ireland?!

droidman123

downcow wrote: »

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t claim the gaa is an inclusive non-sectarian organisation and then support it using a nickname for the country that is exclusively used by Catholics.
That’s what you call a ‘chill factor’ to the ‘other’ community.
But I couldn’t care less what you call ni. In fact tbh I like the gaa calling it the ‘six counties’ because it demonstrates to any unionists who may think the gaa is trying to be inclusive, that they are badly mistaken. So get on with it. Have a six counties competition if you wish.

They actually have a 9 counties competition,its called the ulster championship

fash

downcow wrote: »

Did you ever ask yourself why.
Remember when you point your finger at someone, there are three pointing back at you

Sounds like there is an awful lot of inbreeding involved...

RobMc59

droidman123 wrote: »

That statement smacks of the british empirical mentality that all the countries they stole,raped of resources,and butchered that it was for their own good,the natives need to be educated,unbelieveable

Ireland was part of Britain,not a colony.

droidman123

RobMc59 wrote: »

Ireland was part of Britain,not a colony.

So that justifies it all,your mindset is beyond belief

Junkyard Tom

RobMc59 wrote: »

Ireland was part of Britain,not a colony.

Ireland was never part of Britain.

droidman123

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Ireland was never part of Britain.

The mindset of many english people is that britain went around the world as some sort of charity organisation,educating them,making them speak english,taming the natives,making them do everything the british way because british was always best.its incredible that they are not educated enough to know the real truth.

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

Ireland was part of Britain,not a colony.

The failings and limitations of the British education system in a sentence.

dd973

downcow wrote: »

Did you ever ask yourself why.
Remember when you point your finger at someone, there are three pointing back at you

Not really mate, provincial Irish people don't cross my mind that much, only really orientate towards Dublin and the SW where I'm from.

Capt'n Midnight

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The GAA is supposed to be apolitical
https://www.gaa.ie/news/the-gaa-does-not-comment-elections-referenda/

My point is if supposed apolitical organisations such as the GAA try to dilute the NI state / jurisdiction as it is - what hope a UI working? When you think of all those with political views as it is who will no doubt fan flames no matter which way a vote on a UI goes? Ireland clearly is not ready to make a UI work imo.

You've never heard of ye olde Rule 21 ?

The clue to the GAA is in the name , first word is Gaelic. It ain't Ulster Scots.

The GAA has always worked on a county basis. And it's mostly by parish. And they ain't Free Presbyterian parishes.

The GAA predates partition do there's that too.


I wonder will the BBC and the rest of the UK covering the Olympics refer to Team GB or Team UK ??