Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

pgj2015

seamus wrote: »

Seriously, this is like chinese whispers, but with medical data.

Holohan didn't say he "doesn't believe" the people who claim children don't spread the virus. Merely that the evidence so far to support the assertion is still small and far from definite.

Denmark has sent kids back to school with strict distancing and other processes in place. The fact that they've seen no jump in cases, could mean that these measures are working, not that the kids can't spread it.

Any road, it's too late in the year now. I've no interest in sending the kids back to primary school for six weeks, especially if it's going to require complicated hygiene measures.

There are more people in the country than you. im sure there are a lot of people who would gladly send their kids back to school for a few weeks.

pgj2015

hmmm wrote: »

We can't be making decisions based on "belief", we make decisions based on science and there is still a lot unknown about kids and this virus. The Irish government is taking a conservative approach, and I think most people are happy with that - let other countries experiment on their kids. If it works great, we'll open the schools.

not sure how you come to that conclusion but I don't agree, most people want to get back to work now, this is not living.

iamwhoiam

pgj2015 wrote: »

There are more people in the country than you. im sure there are a lot of people who would gladly send their kids back to school for a few weeks.

There are also people who need to get back to work and depend on school times to do that .I see now more and more grandparents stepping up to mind the kids .We have no choice .

Ginger n Lemon

hmmm wrote: »

We can't be making decisions based on "belief", we make decisions based on science. The Irish government is taking a conservative approach, and I think most people are happy with that - let other countries experiment on their kids. If it works great, we'll open the schools.

There is no science behind lockdowns, wearing masks outside of hospitals or making airplanes fly with empty middle seats.

Theres a lot of science behind washing your hands.

We are the country who are experimenting with our kids mental health and social abilities, and educational prospects too. We are damaging our kids. Unfortunately. And as Leo said, it will look pretty bad if we are the last country to get our kids back to school.

We need to change and fix things much faster than 21st of July or 10th of August.

HeidiHeidi

pgj2015 wrote: »

I didnt know this until someone put up the article but Irish cases = 23,827, Irish deaths = 1,506

slovinia cases = 1,500 slovinia deaths = 103. they have a population of 2 million by the way.

so it shows you how badly Ireland has done even with this lockdown. we have nothing to be thanking Holohan for in my opinion.

How much testing was Slovenia doing vs Ireland?


Numbers of confirmed cases or the ratio of deaths to confirmed cases are really not comarable unless you factor that in.

MrDavid1976

Rumour is that we are moving to phase 0.75.

Ginger n Lemon

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Reality bites.

Poster here who works at HSE, watch out

"NHS staff and key workers risking their lives in the coronavirus battle may face a two-year pay freeze as recession hits Britain.

A Treasury paper says axing public sector wage rises could save £6.5billion."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nhs-coronavirus-heroes-face-two-22023781

I am at the top of my payscale. Don't worry, chum. A pay freeze won't effect me.

FintanMcluskey

hmmm wrote: »

We can't be making decisions based on "belief", we make decisions based on science and there is still a lot unknown about kids and this virus. The Irish government is taking a conservative approach, and I think most people are happy with that - let other countries experiment on their kids. If it works great, we'll open the schools.

Its Ireland thats experimenting with children.

Long breaks from education have detrimental effects on those children throughout the rest of their eduction and applying themselves in their professional lives including high school dropout rates.

Children need routine to function in society as adults, and we will be the worst in Europe for education very soon

Ginger n Lemon

Deleted User wrote: »

I am at the top of my payscale. Don't worry, chum. A pay freeze won't effect me.

Ohhh it's not the pay freeze you need to worry about. Pay freeze would our best case scenario.

Its a pay cut. Additional taxes to go with our claps for you. Did you forget pension levy already? Ah come on now. Are you protected from additional USC?

HeidiHeidi

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Ohhh it's not the pay freeze you need to worry about. Pay freeze would our best case scenario.

Its a pay cut. Additional taxes to go with our claps for you. Did you forget pension levy already? Ah come on now. Are you protected from additional USC?

Are you actually revelling in all of this?


There's a gloating undertone to all of your posts that's really unpleasant.

mammychicken

uli84 wrote: »

Yeah, drama starts, they should be happy they don’t have to go back on Monday the 18th

Hah, if they were on the pandemic payment/reduced wage they'd be long back and the LC would go ahead

bb1234567

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Its Ireland thats experimenting with children.

Long breaks from education have detrimental effects on those children throughout the rest of their eduction and applying themselves in their professional lives including high school dropout rates.

Children need routine to function in society as adults, and we will be the worst in Europe for education very soon

Wonder how those unfortunate side effects would balance with for example losing two grandparents to covid in the same year

Two months at home doing sweet feck all playing in the sunshine every day, good grief. You'd think that the children of ireland were being made do something difficult the way some are going on about it

Why do we have 3 month summer holidays every year if a long break is as detrimental as this then?

seamus

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Its Ireland thats experimenting with children.

Long breaks from education have detrimental effects on those children throughout the rest of their eduction and applying themselves in their professional lives including high school dropout rates.

Children need routine to function in society as adults, and we will be the worst in Europe for education very soon

"High school dropouts" :rolleyes:

Evidence please for the claim that a 3-month break in education is detrimental over the lifetime of the student.

NegativeCreep

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Reality bites.

Poster here who works at HSE, watch out

"NHS staff and key workers risking their lives in the coronavirus battle may face a two-year pay freeze as recession hits Britain.

A Treasury paper says axing public sector wage rises could save £6.5billion."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nhs-coronavirus-heroes-face-two-22023781

The consequences of lockdown. Everyone is going to have to pay whether they’re in the HSE or not and we’ll be paying for a long time.

JoeExotic81

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I am at the top of my payscale. Don't worry, chum. A pay freeze won't effect me.

You should be more than able to outbid those pesky hairdressers on a few masks to save the lives of "your patients" so "doctor" no :rolleyes:

Ginger n Lemon

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Ohhh it's not the pay freeze you need to worry about. Pay freeze would our best case scenario.

Its a pay cut. Additional taxes to go with our claps for you. Did you forget pension levy already? Ah come on now. Are you protected from additional USC?

I suppose I am lucky to have my job. A few thousand extra euro off the take home salary...

I can make that up in a a couple of weekend locums over the course of the year (cash in hand of course).

Hope you have a job to go back to, old chum. This depression is going to be brutal.

Ginger n Lemon

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Are you actually revelling in all of this?


There's a gloating undertone to all of your posts that's really unpleasant.

I am very sorry if you think that reality has a gloating undertone.

You can choose not to read my posts btw, a bit like we chose to believe we saved lives and try not to think of all the spikes in cancer deaths we ll experience next year from HSE cancelling cancer screening for 2 months and then rescheduling them at a date 6 months later on because of built up queues.

CruelSummer

lord quackinton wrote: »

firstly there should be no lockdown and no 350 covid payment.
then no covid payment is needed to be processed weekly.
your role then is not necessary and you are free to come work in the real world i.e private sector


i dont care about people, charities, schools and those who live permanently off the welfare state. i will be honest here, i detest them.
reduce ALL taxes and cut public expenditure excluding capital projects but outsource all contracts awarded to private markets.


why should hard working private sector employees pay large taxes to fund the lavish employee wages of public sector, government funded semi states and charities and the generous social welfare programs that exist for the welfare class.

You don't care about people...charities...schools...I can't help but imagine you're one of those nice 'people' that drive oversized cars and try and mow everyone down in your way...
I don't think this helps your cause arguing for a reduction in restrictions if you don't care about people in the first place. There is plenty of good in the public sector, and plenty of bad in the private...like someone who says they don't care for all of the above and just themselves. That will get us nowhere long term.

Ginger n Lemon

Deleted User wrote: »

I suppose I am lucky to have my job. A few thousand extra euro off the take home salary...

I can make that up in a a couple of weekend locums over the course of the year (cash in hand of course).

Hope you have a job to go back to, old chum. This depression is going to be brutal.

I am actually a public servant too, funny enough, but the one that remembers 2009.

The "temporary measures" ahhh, yes indeed, it does get depressing.

PS i am also lucky to have my job. Everybody who is in employment now are lucky to have their jobs, but just because we have a job we can't possibly even consider government is handling things well or that continuing with current strategy is a viable solution. (its viable if we are in the business of destroying jobs)

the kelt

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hmmm wrote: »

We can't be making decisions based on "belief", we make decisions based on science and there is still a lot unknown about kids and this virus. The Irish government is taking a conservative approach, and I think most people are happy with that - let other countries experiment on their kids. If it works great, we'll open the schools.

Do you honestly think all other countries arent using science and we arent moving as quickly as them because we are somehow just more caring and careful??

Please dont tell me your peddling this belief that all these other countries dont care for their citizens/children as much as we do and are prepared to just experiment with their lives.

Of all reasons for having slower easing of restrictions that ones pretty pathetic in all honesty, them Danes, sure they dont love their children as much as us Irish, sweet Jesus!

JoeExotic81

JoeExotic81 wrote: »

You should be more than able to outbid those pesky hairdressers on a few masks to save the lives of "your patients" so "doctor" no :rolleyes:

Not a doctor, chum. I did order a 100 facemasks for myself. Seen the selfishness on here and decided "Hey, ho, I'll join in".

The next thing I'm going to start doing that the majority of the people who liked this post DO is start lying.

I'm going to lie about everything to suit my own agenda. **** the greater good.

Pro economic brigade policy for life. Let all the old people die. Am I doing it right, chum?

JoeExotic81

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not a doctor, chum. I did order a 100 facemasks for myself. Seen the selfishness on here and decided "Hey, ho, I'll join in".

The next thing I'm going to start doing that the majority of the people who liked this post DO is start lying.

I'm going to lie about everything to suit my own agenda. **** the greater good.

Pro economic brigade policy for life. Let all the old people die. Am I doing it right, chum?

JoeExotic81

JoeExotic81 wrote: »

Oh goody, can't wait for this to be used against me when taking out of context? Guess the sarcasm was missed.

PowerToWait

Wales and Scotland not easing any restrictions for at least a fortnight.

Der gubbermint must no nuttin, same as ours. Not even one thought spared for all the hair dressers and their clients.

vid36

I don't get this argument. Different countries are adopting different policies to reopening. Different countries have different peaks and scale of outbreak. The rule of thumb as Dr Fauci puts it should be two weeks of declining cases and two weeks of declining death totals. Denmark and Austria have had fewer deaths than us and they have substantially fewer new cases every day, both currently under 50 so it makes sense for us to adjust our road map according,

stephenjmcd

From RTE

The Czech Republic said today it would allow gatherings of up to 300 people later this month as coronavirus infections remained among the lowest in Europe.

Gatherings including sports events will be allowed as of 25 May, when businesses including restaurants and pubs will also be allowed to open, Health Minister Adam Vojtech said.

Shopping centres, cinemas, barbers and restaurant terraces opened on Monday after nearly two months under lockdown.

The country of 10.7 million people had registered 8,352 confirmed coronavirus cases and 293 deaths by Friday morning.

"If the epidemiological situation remains favourable, the limit will grow to 500 people on June 8 and to 1,000 on June 22," Mr Vojtech said of the size of gatherings that would be permissible.

He said restaurants and bars would not be allowed to stay open after 11pm after a recent upsurge in South Korea was linked to night clubs.

Further easing would take place only if daily infection counts would not increase after staying well under 100 cases daily throughout May, said epidemiologist Rastislav Madar, part of an official advisory team.

Some credit the success in stemming infections to the mandatory face mask rule, which will be eased as of May 25, when they will only be required in shops, offices and on public transport.

polesheep

Deleted User wrote: »

They've all been guaranteed internships....

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/taoiseach-pledges-that-1-000-medicine-graduates-will-be-offered-an-internship-1.4231678

I was referring to those doctors that have completed their internships.

the kelt

the kelt wrote: »

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Do you honestly think all other countries arent using science and we arent moving as quickly as them because we are somehow just more caring and careful??

Please dont tell me your peddling this belief that all these other countries dont care for their citizens/children as much as we do and are prepared to just experiment with their lives.

Of all reasons for having slower easing of restrictions that ones pretty pathetic in all honesty, them Danes, sure they dont love their children as much as us Irish, sweet Jesus!

You win the internet today with that post. You are absolutely right to call out those that suggest that our conservative approach indicates that we are more caring than all our other EU partners

polesheep

jibber5000 wrote: »

I'm specifically talking about the rush to lionise those returning home from Oz as heroes, free flights, free accomdation etc when most of them were going to be coming home anyway to start scheme jobs.

The market is definitely not oversaturated in normal circumstances.

But this year due to guaranteeing all international graduates jobs, starting interns two months early and no junior doctors going to Australia in July, we're going to be oversaturated.

And broke. Just when we finally get more doctors, we can't afford to pay them.

wakka12

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Well seeing how Spain & Italy are opening up bars and restaurants 1st of June, it does seem like everybody forgot what happened there. Or maybe they realised Covid isnt deadly enough to warrant poverty.

Reality is, Sweden did not do what Ireland did. Sweden did not experience Italy or Spain. In fact Ireland number of deaths per 1 million is 300, In Sweden its 340.

Lockdown did seem to have very little effect on deaths. On the economic front though, 28% unemployment versus 7% in Sweden. Yeah. Not good.

Stockholm has experienced an Italy and Spain, not as in quite an intensely short period and all in one go, but their death rates are now comparable. Approximately 0.1% of the population of the greater Stockholm area has died from the virus, it is a comparable number of deaths per capita rate as much of Spain and Italy.Meanwhile the deaths in Spain and italy continue to fall, while in Sweden they remain consistently high. And this is a figure that Sweden should for some reason celebrate as a triumph?